Good product managers are customer-obsessed. They build products and features that will solve their customers' problems. But Peter Yang from Reddit argues that great product managers focus on how products make customers feel. Dive into this episode with us as Peter teaches us all about the emotional wheel and how PMs can learn a thing or two from gaming. Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here:https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-peter-yang-emotions-optimized/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Good product managers are customer-obsessed. They build products and features that will solve their customers' problems. But Peter Yang from Reddit argues that great product managers focus on how products make customers feel. Dive into this episode with us as Peter teaches us all about the emotional wheel and how PMs can learn a thing or two from gaming. Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: <a href="https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-peter-yang-emotions-optimized/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-peter-yang-emotions-optimized/</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Your product, your community, your emotional wheels

Webflow PMs

Webflow

Is product sense a superpower? In this candid conversation, Webflow PM Frank Ramirez, details the tough transition he made into product management, the mistakes early PMs make, and much more. This episode may even help you discover your PM superpower!  Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-frank-ramirez-webflow-pm-product-sense-roadmap/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Is product sense a superpower? In this candid conversation, Webflow PM Frank Ramirez, details the tough transition he made into product management, the mistakes early PMs make, and much more. This episode may even help you discover your PM superpower!  Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: <a href="https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-frank-ramirez-webflow-pm-product-sense-roadmap/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-frank-ramirez-webflow-pm-product-sense-roadmap/</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

How Webflow PMs use product sense to drive their roadmaps

It's always a good idea to talk to your customers. But Hinge's Chief Product Officer, Michelle Parsons, thinks we're looking for the wrong things in our user interviews. In this episode of Product to Product, Latif and Michelle dissect how a good product sense might actually make you prioritize quantitative data over qualitative data. Michelle brings a wealth of experiences from her time at Netflix, Spotify, and Kayak. You might want to share this episode with your product friends. Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-michelle-parsons-are-user-interviews-a-waste-of-time/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's always a good idea to talk to your customers. But Hinge's Chief Product Officer, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/michcparsons/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Michelle Parsons</a>, thinks we're looking for the wrong things in our user interviews. In this episode of Product to Product, Latif and Michelle dissect how a good product sense might actually make you prioritize quantitative data over qualitative data. Michelle brings a wealth of experiences from her time at Netflix, Spotify, and Kayak. You might want to share this episode with your product friends. Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: <a href="https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-michelle-parsons-are-user-interviews-a-waste-of-time/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-michelle-parsons-are-user-interviews-a-waste-of-time/</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Are User Interviews a Waste of Time?

Product sense is more than a gut feeling or intuition. Avrum Laurie, VP of Product at Wealthsimple, walks us through a scientific approach to employing product sense predictably and effectively.  In this episode of Product to Product, Avrum shares example after example of how he and his team think about product sense. Latif uncovers how Wealthsimple ships impactful products loved by Canadians from coast to coast. Pull out a notepad for this one, you'll want to take notes! Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-avrum-laurie-scientific-approach-product-senseSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Product sense is more than a gut feeling or intuition. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/avrum-laurie-aa7a5a11/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Avrum Laurie</a>, VP of Product at <a href="https://www.wealthsimple.com/en-ca/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wealthsimple</a>, walks us through a scientific approach to employing product sense predictably and effectively.  In this episode of Product to Product, Avrum shares example after example of how he and his team think about product sense. Latif uncovers how Wealthsimple ships impactful products loved by Canadians from coast to coast. Pull out a notepad for this one, you'll want to take notes! Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: <a href="https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-avrum-laurie-scientific-approach-product-sense" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-avrum-laurie-scientific-approach-product-sense</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

A Scientific Approach to Product Sense

Data is important but it's only one piece of the puzzle. Kristin Chen, the CEO of Top.gg, reminds us that data can only show us where a fire is but not what caused it.  In this episode of Product to Product, Kristin guides Latif through her most noteworthy product management experiences from Soundcloud, Pinterest, and Twitch. Now, as she leads Top.gg, you'll learn how she's deploying product sense as a startup CEO. Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here:https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-kristin-chen-product-sense-startup-insights-from-ceo/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Data is important but it's only one piece of the puzzle. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristinmchen/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kristin Chen</a>, the CEO of <a href="https://top.gg/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Top.gg</a>, reminds us that data can only show us where a fire is but not what caused it.  In this episode of Product to Product, Kristin guides Latif through her most noteworthy product management experiences from Soundcloud, Pinterest, and Twitch. Now, as she leads <a href="http://Top.gg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Top.gg</a>, you'll learn how she's deploying product sense as a startup CEO. Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: <a href="https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-kristin-chen-product-sense-startup-insights-from-ceo/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-kristin-chen-product-sense-startup-insights-from-ceo/</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

What does product sense look like at a startup? Insights from a CEO

Don't get too comfy once you've found product-market fit! Our guest today, Ramli John, warns companies that if they don't keep their thumb on the pulse of their customers they could lose their market. On this inaugural episode of Product to Product's season 8, Latif and Ramli dive into what product sense looks like in a number of contexts. Throughout this conversation you'll hear them cover a range of topics; from customer stories to product-led growth. Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-ramli-john-balance-data-customer-stories/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Don't get too comfy once you've found product-market fit! Our guest today, Ramli John, warns companies that if they don't keep their thumb on the pulse of their customers they could lose their market. On this inaugural episode of Product to Product's season 8, Latif and Ramli dive into what product sense looks like in a number of contexts. Throughout this conversation you'll hear them cover a range of topics; from customer stories to product-led growth. Want all the highlights quickly? We've got them for you here: <a href="https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-ramli-john-balance-data-customer-stories/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://roadmunk.com/guides/podcast-product-to-product-ramli-john-balance-data-customer-stories/</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Can you lose product-market fit? Balancing data and customer stories

Abhi Bhatt

(Disclaimer: These episodes were recorded prior to the coronavirus outbreak as well as the Black Lives Matter marches.) For Abhi Bhatt,  Head of Product at Alexa Identity, who’s worked on innovative and category shaping products (like the first generation Motorola Razr phone and North’s AR smart glasses), early adopters and laggard customers give the most insightful feedback. He says product teams need to work backwards when building something that hasn’t been done before. You’ll need to figure out the segmentation and what the customer base will look like. Also, find out what these customers care about. Based on the psychographics and demographics, choose a segment that has the most resonance. Ultimately, product teams should be spending a lot of time with their customers, to the point that they become your “partner” in development. When it comes to customer feedback, Abhi says quantitative data is like looking in the rear-view mirror. It’s already happened! It reflects on how people are behaving in the sandbox you’ve created. On the other hand, qualitative data points to understanding why they are behaving this way and the motivations behind it. This set of data also pressure tests if you’ve built the right thing for customers. Both lenses need to be applied to your product, whether it’s early and innovative or a mature product.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(Disclaimer: These episodes were recorded prior to the coronavirus outbreak as well as the Black Lives Matter marches.) For Abhi Bhatt,  Head of Product at Alexa Identity, who’s worked on innovative and category shaping products (like the first generation Motorola Razr phone and North’s AR smart glasses), early adopters and laggard customers give the most insightful feedback.  He says product teams need to work backwards when building something that hasn’t been done before. You’ll need to figure out the segmentation and what the customer base will look like. Also, find out what these customers care about. Based on the psychographics and demographics, choose a segment that has the most resonance. Ultimately, product teams should be spending a lot of time with their customers, to the point that they become your “partner” in development. When it comes to customer feedback, Abhi says quantitative data is like looking in the rear-view mirror. It’s already happened! It reflects on how people are behaving in the sandbox you’ve created. On the other hand, qualitative data points to understanding why they are behaving this way and the motivations behind it. This set of data also pressure tests if you’ve built the right thing for customers. Both lenses need to be applied to your product, whether it’s early and innovative or a mature product.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Early adopters and laggards give the most useful user feedback - Abhi Bhatt @ Amazon Alexa

Sarah Pyo

(Disclaimer: These episodes were recorded prior to the coronavirus outbreak as well as the Black Lives Matter marches.) Shopify Product Lead Sarah Pyo says it’s crucial for PMs to be close to user feedback; by joining customer calls, reviewing feedback channels and blocking out time with the customer success team. These sessions, called “bridge the gap” meetings at Shopify, remind PMs that empathy is the core of user-centric products. It’s easy to lose sight of this as you’re working with various stakeholders on day-to-day tasks, Sarah cautions. Sarah also says that, for product people, the user is your BOSS. Creating an experience that resonates with them should be prioritized. If you build it, they will come. Likewise, if you build a product users love, you will reap the benefits for your company, she adds. Sarah advises that, in order to ensure your metrics give you real feedback instead of setting up vanity metrics you can gamify, PMs need to have requirements in place while chasing a product company’s ultimate North Star. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(Disclaimer: These episodes were recorded prior to the coronavirus outbreak as well as the Black Lives Matter marches.)  Shopify Product Lead Sarah Pyo says it’s crucial for PMs to be close to user feedback; by joining customer calls, reviewing feedback channels and blocking out time with the customer success team. These sessions, called “bridge the gap” meetings at Shopify, remind PMs that empathy is the core of user-centric products. It’s easy to lose sight of this as you’re working with various stakeholders on day-to-day tasks, Sarah cautions. Sarah also says that, for product people, the user is your BOSS. Creating an experience that resonates with them should be prioritized. If you build it, they will come. Likewise, if you build a product users love, you will reap the benefits for your company, she adds. Sarah advises that, in order to ensure your metrics give you real feedback instead of setting up vanity metrics you can gamify, PMs need to have requirements in place while chasing a product company’s ultimate North Star. See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Customer feedback is constant and helps grow user empathy–Sarah Pyo @ Shopify

Veronica Hudson

(Disclaimer: These episodes were recorded prior to the coronavirus outbreak as well as the Black Lives Matter marches.) Ditch the MVP, embrace the MLP and listen to your users, says Veronica Hudson, senior PM at Twilio at the time of the interview (She’s now at ActiveCampaign in the senior PM role.). A product can be viable, but are customers going to use it? She says PMs should figure out what the problem you’re solving is and pinpoint who you can solve it most widely for. The goal of an MLP is to be able to release an open beta and not feel like there needs to be a gatekeeper of who can use it, Veronica adds.  Also in this episode, listen to how Veronica, who originally worked in NYC’s book publishing industry, finds the evolution of female pop stars like Jennifer Lopez and Robyn to be inspirational. For Veronica, quantitative and qualitative feedback work hand in hand. She suggests PMs spend time with support teams to learn what hacks they’re teaching users and you’ll find underlying customer problems that the data can’t tell you.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(Disclaimer: These episodes were recorded prior to the coronavirus outbreak as well as the Black Lives Matter marches.)  Ditch the MVP, embrace the MLP and listen to your users, says Veronica Hudson, senior PM at Twilio at the time of the interview (She’s now at ActiveCampaign in the senior PM role.). A product can be viable, but are customers going to use it? She says PMs should figure out what the problem you’re solving is and pinpoint who you can solve it most widely for. The goal of an MLP is to be able to release an open beta and not feel like there needs to be a gatekeeper of who can use it, Veronica adds.   Also in this episode, listen to how Veronica, who originally worked in NYC’s book publishing industry, finds the evolution of female pop stars like Jennifer Lopez and Robyn to be inspirational. For Veronica, quantitative and qualitative feedback work hand in hand. She suggests PMs spend time with support teams to learn what hacks they’re teaching users and you’ll find underlying customer problems that the data can’t tell you.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Ditch the MVP, embrace the MLP and listen to your users  - Veronica Hudson @ Twilio

Asheesh Birla

(Disclaimer: These episodes were recorded prior to the coronavirus outbreak.) Fire the customer if you need, says Asheesh Birla, Ripple’s SVP of Product, when talking about the importance of customer segmentation. Asheesh says if your company is going after the wrong customer and fixated on why they’re unhappy, it’s time to re-evaluate if they’re a fit for your product. Instead, the winning Venn diagram in his opinion is this: a customer segment whose pain points your product can easily solve. Also in this episode, find out how early in Asheesh’s career he volunteered to carry luggage on a work trip for Thomson Reuter’s COO (who was 20 levels higher than him on the org chart at that time!) and how he was able to gain a mentor through that. For Asheesh, product teams who are too tactical in their daily triage miss the forest for the trees. He says you need to understand whether the landscape is changing in a macro way or if a new competitor is coming in. Your product org may be making incremental changes, but startups need to make massive changes to be successful, he adds.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(Disclaimer: These episodes were recorded prior to the coronavirus outbreak.)  Fire the customer if you need, says Asheesh Birla, Ripple’s SVP of Product, when talking about the importance of customer segmentation. Asheesh says if your company is going after the wrong customer and fixated on why they’re unhappy, it’s time to re-evaluate if they’re a fit for your product. Instead, the winning Venn diagram in his opinion is this: a customer segment whose pain points your product can easily solve. Also in this episode, find out how early in Asheesh’s career he volunteered to carry luggage on a work trip for Thomson Reuter’s COO (who was 20 levels higher than him on the org chart at that time!) and how he was able to gain a mentor through that. For Asheesh, product teams who are too tactical in their daily triage miss the forest for the trees. He says you need to understand whether the landscape is changing in a macro way or if a new competitor is coming in. Your product org may be making incremental changes, but startups need to make massive changes to be successful, he adds.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Focusing on the wrong customer segment? Fire them - Asheesh Birla @ Ripple

At Roadmunk, we build a product management platform for product people (beautiful + collaborative roadmapping software); and as part of the product management community, we’ve seen how open product people are to helping their peers. They share their own experiences of working in product, both the good and the bad, in very honest ways. We decided to take the candid conversations that are happening in product communities on Reddit and Slack and Medium – and turn them into an interview podcast. We have really cool interviews coming up with product managers, designers, marketers and the odd engineer, too.

The Roadmunk team have absolutely knocked it out of the park here.

The quality of their guests interviews is world class - it&#39;ss always highly actionable and covers wide-ranging topics for any PM and developer looking to level up their soft AND hard skills.

Can&#39;t recommend Product to Product enough!

Engaging & Invaluable 🙌

Great content! But I can&#39;t stand how Hayley, one of the cohosts, positively affirms the guest speaker WAY too much. She interrupts the speaker with, repeated Yep!&#39;s, Okay&#39;s, Yea Yea&#39;s, Uh Huh&#39;s, Hmm&#39;s, Right&#39;s. It drives me nuts! Ease stay quiet while the speaker explains themselves.

Way too many host positive affirmations!

Product to Product

Priya Wellington

Getting stakeholder alignment is an idea in the product world that seems like an obvious objective, but it’s often one of the toughest parts of a PM’s job. It’s worth investing the time to make sure everyone’s on board with your business objectives even if it feels redundant.  In this episode, Priya Wellington, the Group PM at Medium, says over communicating is key to aligning stakeholders, especially at media companies where the editorial department is a major stakeholder. She adds that frequent communication, in-person or online, allows people to know they're being heard, even if the ideas aren't acted on right away. If you liked what you heard, please rate, review and subscribe! Find us on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Getting stakeholder alignment is an idea in the product world that seems like an obvious objective, but it’s often one of the toughest parts of a PM’s job. It’s worth investing the time to make sure everyone’s on board with your business objectives even if it feels redundant.  In this episode, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/priya-ollapally-wellington/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Priya Wellington</a>, the Group PM at Medium, says over communicating is key to aligning stakeholders, especially at media companies where the editorial department is a major stakeholder. She adds that frequent communication, in-person or online, allows people to know they're being heard, even if the ideas aren't acted on right away. If you liked what you heard, please rate, review and subscribe! Find us on<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> iTunes</a>,<a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Google Play</a> or<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing<a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Over communicating is the key to alignment - Priya Wellington @ Medium

Melissa Perri

It’s episode two of Product to Product‘s second season, a podcast for / by product people! This season we continue to explore the human side of product. Up next to share her real-world, practical stories of navigating the human-related aspects of the product space is Melissa Perri, CEO and founder of Product Institute and Produx Labs. As a product consultant and founder of a product school, Melissa has trained over 2,000 PMs across her career. And her mission has always been clear-cut: teach people how to effectively think like a product manager. Seeing as product thinking is a unique skill in itself, our CEO, Latif Nanji, sits down with Melissa to investigate what it means to think (and not think) like a PM, what fuels product thinking and how aspiring / existing PMs can learn this abstract skillset. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It’s episode two of <a href="https://hubs.ly/H0bxp540" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Product to Product</a>‘s second season, a podcast for / by product people! This season we continue to explore the human side of product. Up next to share her real-world, practical stories of navigating the human-related aspects of the product space is <a href="https://melissaperri.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Melissa Perri</a>, CEO and founder of <a href="https://productinstitute.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Product Institute</a> and <a href="http://produxlabs.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Produx Labs</a>. As a product consultant and founder of a product school, Melissa has trained over 2,000 PMs across her career. And her mission has always been clear-cut: teach people how to effectively think like a product manager. Seeing as product thinking is a unique skill in itself, our CEO, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/latifnanji/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Latif Nanji</a>, sits down with Melissa to investigate what it means to think (and not think) like a PM, what fuels product thinking and how aspiring / existing PMs can learn this abstract skillset. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

To think, or not to think, like a product manager - Melissa Perri @ Product Institute & Produx Labs

Shaun Clowes

Season 4 of Product to Product, a podcast for / by product people, is finally here! This season, we’re taking a deep dive into growth and giving PMs practical, sustainable, non-hacky ways to grow your product. First up—Shaun Clowes on why all PMs should be growth PMs. Whereas core PMs own parts of the product, growth PMs own KPIs and experiments. They also tend to be way more data-driven. This new distinction between core and growth PM implies that PMs aren’t as focused on growth as their orgs would like them to be, but our guest doesn’t think that’s helpful. Having worked on both sides, Shaun was the head of product growth at Atlassian before joining MetroMile as their Chief Product Officer. If you liked what you heard, show us some love by rating and reviewing us (5 stars only!) Find us on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Season 4 of Product to Product, a podcast for / by product people, is finally here! This season, we’re taking a deep dive into growth and giving PMs practical, sustainable, non-hacky ways to grow your product. First up—<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaun-clowes-80795014/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Shaun Clowes</a> on why all PMs should be growth PMs. Whereas core PMs own parts of the product, growth PMs own KPIs and experiments. They also tend to be way more data-driven. This new distinction between core and growth PM implies that PMs aren’t as focused on growth as their orgs would like them to be, but our guest doesn’t think that’s helpful. Having worked on both sides, Shaun was the head of product growth at Atlassian before joining MetroMile as their Chief Product Officer. If you liked what you heard, show us some love by rating and reviewing us (5 stars only!) Find us on<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> iTunes</a>,<a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Google Play</a> or<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing<a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

All PMs should be growth PMs - Shaun Clowes @ Metromile

Leora Katz

Product to Product, the podcast for / by product people hosted by Roadmunk, is officially back for season 3! 🎉For our third season, we’re tackling product buzzwords. Each episode a member of our team tackles one product buzzword with a product person from a really cool company. Join us this season as we break down, dissect and debunk the product terms you love to hate and hate to love.  We’re kicking this season off with Leora Katz, Product Manager at Buzzfeed.(Buzzfeed to start the buzzword season just made sense.) While "explain the why” might seem like an overrated phrase to some product managers, to Leora it's a product "buzzphrase" that's fundamental to good product management. Unfortunately, she doesn't believe every PM establishes "the why" often (or well) enough. So, our colleague Eleni speaks with Leora about how PMs can set better context and ultimately get better at bringing their product team along for the product development journey. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Product to Product, the podcast for / by product people hosted by Roadmunk, is officially back for season 3! 🎉 For our third season, we’re tackling product buzzwords. Each episode a member of our team tackles one product buzzword with a product person from a really cool company. Join us this season as we break down, dissect and debunk the product terms you love to hate and hate to love.   We’re kicking this season off with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/katzleora" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Leora Katz</a>, Product Manager at Buzzfeed.(Buzzfeed to start the buzzword season just made sense.) While "explain the why” might seem like an overrated phrase to some product managers, to Leora it's a product "buzzphrase" that's fundamental to good product management. Unfortunately, she doesn't believe every PM establishes "the why" often (or well) enough. So, our colleague Eleni speaks with Leora about how PMs can set better context and ultimately get better at bringing their product team along for the product development journey. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Explaining the why — Leora Katz, Product Manager @ Buzzfeed

David Cutler

After the long, stressful and expensive process of hiring and onboarding a new employee to your team, what comes next is retaining the all-star you’ve just hired. Product companies with a low talent churn creates stronger company culture as well as loyalty. However, building a retention culture isn’t easy and it often takes up a lot of the PM’s time. In this episode, David Cutler, a Product Director at Spotify, says you need to extract the highest value from someone in your product company by figuring out how each individual thrives at work.  If you liked what you heard, please rate, review and subscribe! Find us on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After the long, stressful and expensive process of hiring and onboarding a new employee to your team, what comes next is retaining the all-star you’ve just hired. Product companies with a low talent churn creates stronger company culture as well as loyalty. However, building a retention culture isn’t easy and it often takes up a lot of the PM’s time.  In this episode, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-cutler-590b405/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">David Cutler,</a> a Product Director at Spotify, says you need to extract the highest value from someone in your product company by figuring out how each individual thrives at work.  If you liked what you heard, please rate, review and subscribe! Find us on<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> iTunes</a>,<a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Google Play</a> or<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing<a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

How to retain the all-stars you've hired - David Cutler @ Spotify

Mike Belsito

Michael Sacca

Surprise! It’s a bonus episode of Product to Product‘s second season, a podcast for / by product people! As we continue to explore the human side of product this season, we’ve paired up with Mike Belsitoand Michael Sacca (same first name!), the hosts of Rocketship.FM, for this episode. Rocketship is a podcast that dives into everything from product to growth, design to management and everything in between. This past season on Rocketship, the entire season was devoted to product and growth. And one of the topics Mike and Michael did a deep-dive into were the tools product people apply to understand their users better—specifically user personas and jobs to be done. Since Mike and Michael did so much research on the topics, and interviewed a bunch of people using these frameworks, they shared their insights into what they learned from the episodes. Our colleague, Eleni, picked their brains on what differentiates these two frameworks, how to apply these concepts, and why jobs to be done has become the popular tool on the block. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Surprise! It’s a bonus episode of <a href="https://hubs.ly/H0bxp540" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Product to Product</a>‘s second season, a podcast for / by product people! As we continue to explore the human side of product this season, we’ve paired up with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikebelsito" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Mike Belsito</a>and <a href="https://ca.linkedin.com/in/michaelsacca" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Michael Sacca</a> (same first name!), the hosts of <a href="http://rocketship.fm/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Rocketship.FM</a>, for this episode. Rocketship is a podcast that dives into everything from product to growth, design to management and everything in between. This past season on Rocketship, the entire season was devoted to product and growth. And one of the topics Mike and Michael did a deep-dive into were the tools product people apply to understand their users better—specifically user personas and jobs to be done. Since Mike and Michael did so much research on the topics, and interviewed a bunch of people using these frameworks, they shared their insights into what they learned from the episodes. Our colleague, Eleni, picked their brains on what differentiates these two frameworks, how to apply these concepts, and why jobs to be done has become the popular tool on the block. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Personas & JTBD: Getting to know your users better - Mike Belsito & Michael Sacca @ Rocketship.FM

Aman Manik

This episode features Aman Manik, a product manager at Square. He’s been a part of Square’s product team since 2015 when Fastbite, the company he co-founded, was acquired. As Aman was getting ramped up at Square, he noticed that the PMs he was working with all came from different backgrounds and had varying perspectives on what the role of a PM should be within an organization. So, he decided to get them all together to come up with a singular definition of what it means to be part of their product team. And they created what Aman calls a PM culture guide. Aman spoke to Nick, our own product manager at Roadmunk, about the guide (the process of making it, how it’s used, the feedback it received, and how other teams can benefit from the same exercise.) You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This episode features <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanik" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Aman Manik</a>, a product manager at <a href="https://squareup.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Square</a>. He’s been a part of Square’s product team since 2015 when Fastbite, the company he co-founded, was acquired. As Aman was getting ramped up at Square, he noticed that the PMs he was working with all came from different backgrounds and had varying perspectives on what the role of a PM should be within an organization. So, he decided to get them all together to come up with a singular definition of what it means to be part of their product team. And they created what Aman calls a PM culture guide. Aman spoke to <a href="https://linkedin.com/in/nick-gray-51ab1267" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Nick</a>, our own product manager at Roadmunk, about the guide (the process of making it, how it’s used, the feedback it received, and how other teams can benefit from the same exercise.) You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

What is "PM culture?" – Aman Manik @ Square

Anaid Chacon

It's our second last episode of Product to Product's third season, a podcast for / by product people! We're breaking down, dissecting and debunking the product buzzwords you love to hate, and hate to love. Up next–to share her views on MVP–is Anaid Chacon, Product Manager at Dropbox The MVP has been a hotly debated topic in the last couple of years, spawning strongly worded articles with titles like, “The MVP is dead” or  “I hate MVPs. So do your customers.” On this episode, we’re joined by Anaid to explore the MVP concept. As an engineer-turned-PM, she’s built her fair share of MVPs and has been on both sides of the development table. With Anaid, we’ll explore what the MVP really means, why this anti-MVP sentiment has evolved, and also what alternatives exist for product people to use instead of an MVP. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's our second last episode of Product to Product's third season, a podcast for / by product people! We're breaking down, dissecting and debunking the product buzzwords you love to hate, and hate to love. Up next–to share her views on MVP–is<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/anaid-chacon-aa43064a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Anaid Chacon</a>, Product Manager at Dropbox The MVP has been a hotly debated topic in the last couple of years, spawning strongly worded articles with titles like, “The MVP is dead” or  “I hate MVPs. So do your customers.” On this episode, we’re joined by Anaid to explore the MVP concept. As an engineer-turned-PM, she’s built her fair share of MVPs and has been on both sides of the development table. With Anaid, we’ll explore what the MVP really means, why this anti-MVP sentiment has evolved, and also what alternatives exist for product people to use instead of an MVP. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Debunking the "V" in MVP - Anaid Chacon @ Dropbox

Evan Michner

Welcome to our third episode of Product to Product—a podcast for / by product people. In this episode we have Evan Michner, Principal Product Manager at Atlassian—specifically for their chat tools, Stride and HipChat. Evan is one of those product managers who, as he describes it, stumbled into product. He went to school for creative writing and started his career in ad copywriting. After a few years of feeling meh about copywriting, he got invited to do “product-y stuff” for a new startup. Despite not fully understanding what that meant, he said, “Sure, why not?” and his career as a PM launched from there. My colleague Eleni, who’s also a former-writer, was curious about Evan’s transition from writing flashy headlines to working in product at a massive tech company. But more specifically, how he applies his creative background and writing skills in his day-to-day at Atlassian. With such a need for product managers to be ‘world-class communicators,’ Eleni and Evan’s chat makes the case for why writing isn’t just a nice-to-have soft skill for PMs, but a necessary tool for them. Plus: Evan’s experiences offer some concrete ways for PMs to keep scratching any creative itches they may experience. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to our third episode of Product to Product—a podcast for / by product people. In this episode we have <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/emichner" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Evan Michner</a>, Principal Product Manager at <a href="https://www.atlassian.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Atlassian</a>—specifically for their chat tools, Stride and HipChat. Evan is one of those product managers who, as he describes it, stumbled into product. He went to school for creative writing and started his career in ad copywriting. After a few years of feeling meh about copywriting, he got invited to do “product-y stuff” for a new startup. Despite not fully understanding what that meant, he said, “Sure, why not?” and his career as a PM launched from there. My colleague Eleni, who’s also a former-writer, was curious about Evan’s transition from writing flashy headlines to working in product at a massive tech company. But more specifically, how he applies his creative background and writing skills in his day-to-day at Atlassian. With such a need for product managers to be ‘world-class communicators,’ Eleni and Evan’s chat makes the case for why writing isn’t just a nice-to-have soft skill for PMs, but a necessary tool for them. Plus: Evan’s experiences offer some concrete ways for PMs to keep scratching any creative itches they may experience. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Why PMs need to be great writers – Evan Michner @ Atlassian

Brian Balfour

Welcome back to another episode of Product to Product, the podcast for / by product people hosted by Roadmunk. This season, we’re taking a deep dive into growth and giving PMs practical, sustainable, non-hacky ways to grow your product. Brian Balfour, CEO at Reforge, joins us for this episode. He calls himself anti-North star metrics because they “oversimplify” growth. Brian has helped redefine other shiny metrics to keep teams on track at companies like Hubspot. If you liked what you heard, show us some love by rating and reviewing us (5 stars only!) Find us on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome back to another episode of Product to Product, the podcast for / by product people hosted by Roadmunk. This season, we’re taking a deep dive into growth and giving PMs practical, sustainable, non-hacky ways to grow your product. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bbalfour/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Brian Balfour</a>, CEO at Reforge, joins us for this episode. He calls himself anti-North star metrics because they “oversimplify” growth. Brian has helped redefine other shiny metrics to keep teams on track at companies like Hubspot. If you liked what you heard, show us some love by rating and reviewing us (5 stars only!) Find us on<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> iTunes</a>,<a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Google Play</a> or<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

North stars are leading you astray - Brian Balfour @ Reforge

Brian Donohue

Michelle Fitzpatrick

Intercom

And the podcast for / by product people is on a roll, with episode four of Product to Product‘s second season! As we continue to explore the human side of product this season, we have not one, but two awesome product people on this episode sharing their real-world stories of navigating the human-related aspects of the product space. This episodes features two members of Intercom‘s product team: Director of Product Management, Brian Donohue, and Senior Product Manager, Michelle Fitzpatrick. Having both joined Intercom back when it was ~30 employees, Brian and Michelle both have plenty of experience making tough, yet successful, product decisions for their users. However, they know that sometimes the data says one thing, while your gut says something else.  So our CEO Latif Nanji interviews the two product veterans about what to do in these ambiguous situations. Can you trust your gut that much to make the right decision for your user? Brian and Michelle explain how a PM can “build their own gut“—or what they refer to as product conviction—so that they can make confident gut-based decisions in unclear scenarios. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

And the podcast for / by product people is on a roll, with episode four of <a href="https://hubs.ly/H0bTHKq0" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Product to Product</a>‘s second season! As we continue to explore the human side of product this season, we have not one, but two awesome product people on this episode sharing their real-world stories of navigating the human-related aspects of the product space. This episodes features two members of <a href="https://www.intercom.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Intercom</a>‘s product team: Director of Product Management, <a href="https://ie.linkedin.com/in/brian-donohue-2450192" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Brian Donohue</a>, and Senior Product Manager, <a href="https://ca.linkedin.com/in/michellefitzpatrick" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Michelle Fitzpatrick</a>. Having both joined Intercom back when it was ~30 employees, Brian and Michelle both have plenty of experience making tough, yet successful, product decisions for their users. However, they know that sometimes the data says one thing, while your gut says something else.  So our CEO <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/latifnanji/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Latif Nanji</a> interviews the two product veterans about what to do in these ambiguous situations. Can you trust your gut that much to make the right decision for your user? Brian and Michelle explain how a PM can “build their own gut“—or what they refer to as product conviction—so that they can make confident gut-based decisions in unclear scenarios. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

What is product conviction and where does it come from? - Brian Donohue & Michelle Fitzpatrick @ Intercom

John Hung

Nobody likes to be in debt and technical debt, the deliberate shortcuts made to ship your product faster, but that end up taking more time to fix, is no different.In this episode, we talk to John Hung, a PM from Asana, about how he makes the business case to stakeholders to clean up tech debt. John adds that ignoring tech debt will only lead to “death by a thousand paper cuts” and hinder your product org’s scalability. If you liked what you heard, please rate, review and subscribe! Find us on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nobody likes to be in debt and technical debt, the deliberate shortcuts made to ship your product faster, but that end up taking more time to fix, is no different. In this episode, we talk to<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-hung-3566553/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> John Hung</a>, a PM from Asana, about how he makes the business case to stakeholders to clean up tech debt. John adds that ignoring tech debt will only lead to “death by a thousand paper cuts” and hinder your product org’s scalability. If you liked what you heard, please rate, review and subscribe! Find us on<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> iTunes</a>,<a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Google Play</a> or<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing<a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Tech debt: a love/hate relationship - John Hung @ Asana

Emily Lonetto

Clio

This episode, we're joined by Emily Lonetto, who works in growth at Clio and calls herself "strangely obsessed" with onboarding. She's built several onboarding flows in her career and gives us the low-down of how to hook your users, right off the bat. 🎣See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This episode, we're joined by <a href="https://ca.linkedin.com/in/elonetto" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Emily Lonetto</a>, who works in growth at Clio and calls herself "strangely obsessed" with onboarding. She's built several onboarding flows in her career and gives us the low-down of how to hook your users, right off the bat. 🎣See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Unlocking user onboarding for growth - Emily Lonetto @ Clio

Jeff Lash

As a product company scales, the complexity of the business also increases. The more employees there are building your product, the more coordination happens between several teams. One of the challenges of a growing product organisation is the need for consistency and order. For a scaling product company that has cross functional teams, a lack of structure can frustrate people and bottleneck other goals that are being prioritised.In this episode, Forrester’s VP and Group Director of Product Management Research and Advisory, Jeff Lash, will talk about how processes can help a company grow at scale. If you liked what you heard, please rate, review and subscribe! Find us on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As a product company scales, the complexity of the business also increases. The more employees there are building your product, the more coordination happens between several teams. One of the challenges of a growing product organisation is the need for consistency and order. For a scaling product company that has cross functional teams, a lack of structure can frustrate people and bottleneck other goals that are being prioritised. In this episode, Forrester’s VP and Group Director of Product Management Research and Advisory, Jeff Lash, will talk about how processes can help a company grow at scale.  If you liked what you heard, please rate, review and subscribe! Find us on<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> iTunes</a>,<a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Google Play</a> or<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing<a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

How structure eases growing pains for product teams – Jeff Lash @ Forrester

Lulu Cheng

Welcome to the first episode of season two of Product to Product, a podcast for / by product people! For our second season we’ve decided to shake things up. This season, each episode will focus on a specific theme: the human side of product. We’ll be having candid convos with product people who will be sharing real-world, practical stories of navigating the human-related aspects of the product space. That means we’ll discuss topics like handling tricky relationships with non-technical team members, how to effectively think like a product manger, and how to disrupt human behaviour with human-centered AI design (just to name a few topics!). For our first episode of the season we’re joined by Lulu Cheng, product manager on the Discovery team at Pinterest. When Lulu first joined Pinterest in 2015, her primary objective was to ship quickly and hit her KPIs. But as she got more comfortable in her role—and the product space—she realized she wasn’t really asking her team, “How are you doing?” So she made it a personal priority to focus on her team’s “wellness.” Was her team motivated? How was team morale? How are they handling the stress that comes with the role? She realized healthy team members = better team performance = a better product. So Lulu spoke to Roadmunk's Eleni Deacon about concrete and proactive steps she takes to put her team’s well-being front and centre. Plus: what does this focus on team wellness ultimately mean for her team’s overall performance and product strategy. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to the first episode of season two of <a href="https://hubs.ly/H0bmryS0" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Product to Product</a>, a podcast for / by product people! For our second season we’ve decided to shake things up. This season, each episode will focus on a specific theme: the human side of product. We’ll be having candid convos with product people who will be sharing real-world, practical stories of navigating the human-related aspects of the product space. That means we’ll discuss topics like handling tricky relationships with non-technical team members, how to effectively think like a product manger, and how to disrupt human behaviour with human-centered AI design (just to name a few topics!). For our first episode of the season we’re joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lulucheng21" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Lulu Cheng</a>, product manager on the Discovery team at <a href="https://www.pinterest.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Pinterest</a>. When Lulu first joined Pinterest in 2015, her primary objective was to ship quickly and hit her KPIs. But as she got more comfortable in her role—and the product space—she realized she wasn’t really asking her team, “How are you doing?” So she made it a personal priority to focus on her team’s “wellness.” Was her team motivated? How was team morale? How are they handling the stress that comes with the role? She realized healthy team members = better team performance = a better product. So Lulu spoke to Roadmunk's Eleni Deacon about concrete and proactive steps she takes to put her team’s well-being front and centre. Plus: what does this focus on team wellness ultimately mean for her team’s overall performance and product strategy. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Taking care of your product team's well-being – Lulu Cheng @ Pinterest

Anup Dhalwani

Welcome back to another episode of Product to Product, the podcast for / by product people hosted by Roadmunk. It’s season three of the podcast and we’re exploring the product buzzwords you love to hate and hate to love. In each episode, a member of our team breaks down one product term or phrase with a product person from a really cool company. Anup Dhalwani, Senior Product Manager at Uber, joins us for this episode. He’s offering his take on a highly-debated “buzzphrase” he hears around Silicon Valley: “CEO of the product.” While some PMs embrace this term wholeheartedly (sometimes too much), others are completely opposed to it. In Anup’s case, he’s on the fence. He thinks the title can work for PMs—under a few conditions. Anup and our CEO Latif Nanji explore how this term can work and how its definition changes company to company. Plus: they discuss how the title can be an ego-driven term that can maybe rub other team members the wrong way. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome back to another episode of Product to Product, the podcast for / by product people hosted by Roadmunk. It’s season three of the podcast and we’re exploring the product buzzwords you love to hate and hate to love. In each episode, a member of our team breaks down one product term or phrase with a product person from a really cool company. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/anupdhalwani/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Anup Dhalwani</a>, Senior Product Manager at Uber, joins us for this episode. He’s offering his take on a highly-debated “buzzphrase” he hears around Silicon Valley: “CEO of the product.” While some PMs embrace this term wholeheartedly (sometimes too much), others are completely opposed to it. In Anup’s case, he’s on the fence. He thinks the title can work for PMs—under a few conditions. Anup and our CEO <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/latifnanji/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Latif Nanji</a> explore how this term can work and how its definition changes company to company. Plus: they discuss how the title can be an ego-driven term that can maybe rub other team members the wrong way. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

CEO of the product: An accurate title for PMs? — Anup Dhalwani @ Uber

John Cutler

We bring you episode 4 of Product to Product's third season, a podcast for / by product people! This season we're exploring the product buzzwords you love to hate, and hate to love. Up next to share about his views on #noestimates is John Cutler. In recent years, many agile enthusiasts have adopted a no estimates practice (there’s even a hashtag!) The idea is that within agile sprints, estimates do not actually add value to your process or work—just extra effort. As a result, many people in the agile community are making product decisions without estimates. As a go-to writer and thought leader in the agile space, John Cutler, has seen how this practice has become a point of contention within the agile community. Having heard from both avid supporters and critics of the practice, John wants to explore the pros and cons of the concept and how a PM and their team are ultimately impacted by it. We’ll also break down how a product team can successfully apply this practice. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We bring you episode 4 of Product to Product's third season, a podcast for / by product people! This season we're exploring the product buzzwords you love to hate, and hate to love. Up next to share about his views on #noestimates is <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnpcutler" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">John Cutler.</a> In recent years, many agile enthusiasts have adopted <a href="https://dzone.com/articles/stop-estimating-the-noestimates-movement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a no estimates practice</a> (there’s even a hashtag!) The idea is that within agile sprints, estimates do not actually add value to your process or work—just extra effort. As a result, many people in the agile community are making product decisions without estimates. As a go-to writer and thought leader in the agile space, John Cutler, has seen how this practice has become a point of contention within the agile community. Having heard from both avid supporters and critics of the practice, John wants to explore the pros and cons of the concept and how a PM and their team are ultimately impacted by it. We’ll also break down how a product team can successfully apply this practice. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

#NoEstimates: Myth or movement? - John Cutler @ Amplitude

Sanette Tanaka Sloan

And we’re at episode three of Product to Product‘s second season, a podcast for / by product people! As we continue to study the human side of product, this episode shares a unique spin on the real-world stories of navigating the human-related aspects of the product space. Our featured guest is Sanette Tanaka Sloan, Senior Product Designer at Vox Media. (Our first product designer on the podcast! 🙌) In 2016, Sanette joined Vox Media as the design lead for their first ever innovation team. One of the first big projects she was tasked with was designing a voice bot for the Amazon Echo. The project’s mandate: change the way Vox Media’s audience was finding and consuming their news stories. Stepping into this “innovator” design role, Sanette picked up a whole lot while designing an “invisible” AI interface. She experienced first-hand how thoughtful AI product design can ultimately have an impact on “human” behaviours. So, Sanette gets real with our colleague Eleni about how to use product design to ultimately influence audience actions. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

And we’re at episode three of <a href="https://hubs.ly/H0bHfk50" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Product to Product</a>‘s second season, a podcast for / by product people! As we continue to study the human side of product, this episode shares a unique spin on the real-world stories of navigating the human-related aspects of the product space. Our featured guest is <a href="http://sanettesloan.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Sanette Tanaka Sloan</a>, Senior Product Designer at <a href="https://www.voxmedia.com/a/go-deeper" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Vox Media</a>. (Our first product designer on the podcast! 🙌) In 2016, Sanette joined Vox Media as the design lead for their first ever innovation team. One of the first big projects she was tasked with was designing a voice bot for the Amazon Echo. The project’s mandate: change the way Vox Media’s audience was finding and consuming their news stories. Stepping into this “innovator” design role, Sanette picked up a whole lot while designing an “invisible” AI interface. She experienced first-hand how thoughtful AI product design can ultimately have an impact on “human” behaviours. So, Sanette gets real with our colleague Eleni about how to use product design to ultimately influence audience actions. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Changing human behaviours, one AI bot at a time - Sanette Tanaka Sloan @ Vox Media

Pratik Shah

Your most loyal users will help you find your next most loyal user—through referrals. Airbnb's Pratik Shah says they’ll also stick around longer.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Your most loyal users will help you find your next most loyal user—through referrals. Airbnb's Pratik Shah says they’ll also stick around longer.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Referrals are a retention play – Pratik Shah @ Airbnb

Nick Franklin

It's our season 3 finale of Product to Product, a podcast for / by product people! We're breaking down, dissecting and debunking the product buzzwords you love to hate, and hate to love. In our last episode, we’re joined by ChartMogul’s Founder &amp; CEO, Nick Franklin to talk about dogfooding. What happens when you use your own products? You can get some great insights from loving and hating the same things as your customer. Nick weighs in on some of the cultural changes that can happen in your organization when you eat your own dog food, or even how it can skew your product decisions. You can subscribe to Product to Product on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's our season 3 finale of Product to Product, a podcast for / by product people! We're breaking down, dissecting and debunking the product buzzwords you love to hate, and hate to love. In our last episode, we’re joined by ChartMogul’s Founder &amp; CEO, Nick Franklin to talk about dogfooding. What happens when you use your own products? You can get some great insights from loving and hating the same things as your customer. Nick weighs in on some of the cultural changes that can happen in your organization when you eat your own dog food, or even how it can skew your product decisions. You can subscribe to Product to Product on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-to-product/id1293415837?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iTunes</a>, <a href="https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Is7ibqzwhkqszuin6l2li7f3in4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Play</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4rbibgKTXCW3W1mWaEcuIF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or get the latest episodes delivered to your inbox by subscribing <a href="https://roadmunk.com/product-to-product-podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Is there a downside to dogfooding? - Nick Franklin @ ChartMogul

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