Here, to ring in this new year, is an ode to what should be the next great culinary star from the country of Georgia, the perfect vessel of unadorned cholesterol, the cosmic collision of flour, butter, egg and cheese: Khachapuri.Links:R&amp;K weeklong culinary journeys: The League of TravelersGeorgian market tours: Meet Me Here TbilisiMexico City Market Tours: Eat Like a LocalMarket Tours everywhere else: Culinary BackstreetsTaste of Persia: A Cook's Travels Through Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran, and KurdistanBlack Sea: Dispatches and Recipes, Through Darkness and Light Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Here, to ring in this new year, is an ode to what should be the next great culinary star from the country of Georgia, the perfect vessel of unadorned cholesterol, the cosmic collision of flour, butter, egg and cheese: Khachapuri.Links:R&amp;K weeklong culinary journeys: <a href="https://cms.megaphone.fm/organizations/d58f4366-9a23-11e6-bc62-dba24ba6b9fb/podcasts/51d96f80-c4be-11e7-904f-87fe615f7416/episodes/roadsandkingdoms.com/league" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The League of Travelers</a>Georgian market tours: <a href="meetmeheretbilisi.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Meet Me Here Tbilisi</a>Mexico City Market Tours: <a href="https://eatlikealocal.com.mx/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eat Like a Local</a>Market Tours everywhere else: <a href="https://culinarybackstreets.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Culinary Backstreets</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Taste-Persia-Travels-Azerbaijan-Kurdistan/dp/1579655483/ref=asc_df_1579655483/?tag=hyprod-20&amp;linkCode=df0&amp;hvadid=312069235624&amp;hvpos=&amp;hvnetw=g&amp;hvrand=4701350184345725846&amp;hvpone=&amp;hvptwo=&amp;hvqmt=&amp;hvdev=c&amp;hvdvcmdl=&amp;hvlocint=&amp;hvlocphy=9011879&amp;hvtargid=pla-406163950313&amp;psc=1&amp;tag=&amp;ref=&amp;adgrpid=58874700621&amp;hvpone=&amp;hvptwo=&amp;hvadid=312069235624&amp;hvpos=&amp;hvnetw=g&amp;hvrand=4701350184345725846&amp;hvqmt=&amp;hvdev=c&amp;hvdvcmdl=&amp;hvlocint=&amp;hvlocphy=9011879&amp;hvtargid=pla-406163950313" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Taste of Persia: A Cook's Travels Through Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran, and Kurdistan</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Black-Sea-Dispatches-Recipes-Darkness/dp/1787131319/ref=sr_1_2?crid=23RB0ETWI7IG3&amp;keywords=Caroline+Eden&amp;qid=1642456846&amp;s=books&amp;sprefix=caroline+eden%2Cstripbooks%2C75&amp;sr=1-2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Black Sea: Dispatches and Recipes, Through Darkness and Light</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 3: Khachapuri Love

Now that it's cold and flu (and COVID) season, it's time for Georgia's Dayquil of the gods: the pomace brandy called Chacha. Host of The Trip Nathan Thornburgh explains its appeal.Seize the chacha by Ansel MullinsNikalas Marani on IG Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Now that it's cold and flu (and COVID) season, it's time for Georgia's Dayquil of the gods: the pomace brandy called Chacha. Host of The Trip Nathan Thornburgh explains its appeal.<a href="https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2018/chacha-in-georgia/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Seize the chacha</a> by Ansel Mullins<a href="https://www.instagram.com/nikalas_marani/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nikalas Marani</a> on IG Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 2: Chacha Divine

The Trip from Roads &amp; Kingdoms and host Nathan Thornburgh is back, with a tight new format, plus lots of distilled alcohol and Soviet helicopters in Georgia's Caucasus Mountains.The Light of the Caucasus: Photographs by Yuri KozyrevGeorgia: Q&amp;A with Photographer Natela GrigalashviliAbkhazia: Paradise Lost Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Trip from Roads &amp; Kingdoms and host Nathan Thornburgh is back, with a tight new format, plus lots of distilled alcohol and Soviet helicopters in Georgia's Caucasus Mountains. <a href="https://time.com/3780590/yuri-kozyrev-georgia/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Light of the Caucasus: Photographs by Yuri Kozyrev</a><a href="https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2013/grigalashvili/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Georgia: Q&amp;A with Photographer Natela Grigalashvili</a><a href="https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2012/abkhazia/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Abkhazia: Paradise Lost</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 1: A New Season

Matt Goulding

Roads &amp; Kingdoms onlineR&amp;K InstagramReturn to Catalunya video series with Bourdain and Goulding Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

<a href="http://roadsandkingdoms.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Roads &amp; Kingdoms online</a><a href="instagram.com/roadsandkingdoms" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">R&amp;K Instagram</a><a href="https://explorepartsunknown.com/play/return-to-catalunya/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Return to Catalunya video series with Bourdain and Goulding</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 84, Barcelona: Matt Goulding

Daniel Askenazi

Holding a diverse community together in a time of gathering threats is no easy act. Barcelona's Chief Rabbi thinks he's up to the task.Prior Chief Rabbi of Barcelona “Europe is Lost”The Hidden Stories of Barcelona’s Jews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Holding a diverse community together in a time of gathering threats is no easy act. Barcelona's Chief Rabbi thinks he's up to the task.<a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/barcelona-terror-attack-chief-rabbi-meir-bar-hen-jews-move-israel-europe-is-lost-a7903111.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Prior Chief Rabbi of Barcelona “Europe is Lost”</a><a href="https://www.thejc.com/culture/features/the-hidden-stories-of-barcelona-s-jews-1.497377" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Hidden Stories of Barcelona’s Jews</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 83, Barcelona: Daniel Askenazi

Pepe Raventòs

21st generation winemaker Pepe Raventós talks about his family's 500 or so years of Catalan winemaking.Raventós i Blanc’s Sparkling WinesRudolf Steiner lecture trashing winePenedés tourism site  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

21st generation winemaker Pepe Raventós talks about his family's 500 or so years of Catalan winemaking.<a href="https://www.raventos.com/collection/sparkling" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Raventós</a> i Blanc’s Sparkling Wines<a href="https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA093a/English/RSP1982/19051104p01.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rudolf Steiner lecture trashing wine</a><a href="https://www.enoturismepenedes.cat/en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Penedés tourism site</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 82, Barcelona: Pepe Raventòs

Zoltan Istvan

Drinking Scotch and talking to a man who is really, really excited about Big Tech.Zoltan Istvan homepage Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Drinking Scotch and talking to a man who is really, really excited about Big Tech.<a href="http://www.zoltanistvan.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Zoltan Istvan homepage</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 81, New Hampshire: Zoltan Istvan

Eva Castillo

Drinking coffee with Eva Castillo, New Hampshire immigrant rights activistMira Coalition homepageRincón ZacatecanoPuerto Vallarta restaurant Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Drinking coffee with Eva Castillo, New Hampshire immigrant rights activist<a href="https://miracoalition.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mira Coalition homepage</a><a href="https://www.yelp.com/menu/el-rincon-zacatecano-taqueria-manchester" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rincón Zacatecano</a><a href="https://vallartamexicannh.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Puerto Vallarta restaurant</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 80, New Hampshire: Eva Castillo

Gary Hirshberg

Gary Hirshberg was a key early supporter of Barack Obama in New Hampshire, and as chairman of Stonyfield Farm, is an icon of the business of organic food. The Trip met up with him just before the 2020 primary to do shots of probiotics and talk politics.Stonyfield Farm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gary Hirshberg was a key early supporter of Barack Obama in New Hampshire, and as chairman of Stonyfield Farm, is an icon of the business of organic food. The Trip met up with him just before the 2020 primary to do shots of probiotics and talk politics. <a href="https://www.stonyfield.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stonyfield Farm</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 79, New Hampshire: Gary Hirshberg

Tom Tillotson

Drinking baijiu with Tom Tillotson, whose family has presided over the midnight vote in Dixville Notch, NH for six decades.Show notes:Mitch Moxley's Baijiu piece for California Sunday magazineTom Tillotson’s China Ski Tours websiteBalsams homepage Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Drinking baijiu with Tom Tillotson, whose family has presided over the midnight vote in Dixville Notch, NH for six decades.Show notes:<a href="https://story.californiasunday.com/baijiu-liquor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mitch Moxley's Baijiu piece for California Sunday magazine</a><a href="http://www.chinaskitours.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tom Tillotson’s China Ski Tours website</a><a href="https://thebalsamsresort.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Balsams homepage</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 78, New Hampshire: Tom Tillotson

Join Roads &amp; Kingdoms and host Nathan Thornburgh for a weekly 15 minutes travel story. Season 1 archives include long boozy global interviews and Bourdain-led deep dives. Always, though, beats have been by Dan the Automator, artwork by Daisy Dee, show art by Edel Rodriguez. All advertising proceeds go to NYC's Let Us Breathe Fund.

I thoroughly enjoyed this podcast and am sad that it will be behind Luminary&#39;s paywall.

Five stars but sad about the paywall

Beautiful storytelling by the R&K crew

The Trip

For the next two weeks, this show will be in Philadelphia, to give a taste of this fine American city.Over the past few decades, Philadelphia has had real problems, but also a lot of image problems: a local police detective decided to label a whole part of the city’s north as the Philadelphia Badlands and just last week someone noticed that Google Maps was still actually labeling it that. Which is bullshit. Back when I was a reporter covering the northeast U.S., I dipped into Philly quite a bit, from the upscale Gayborhood in Center City to, yes, that 25th police district in North Philly, and it’s a hard town not to like, from grit to Gritty.The place I got to know back then is well represented by this week’s guest, fashion designer Walé Oyéjidé, a Nigerian-American designer, writer, musician and lawyer whose designs, under clothing label Ikiré Jones, have appeared in Black Panther and elsewhere. The man is good with a strong drink in the morning (The Trip editor Tafi Mukunyadzi fixed us up with some caipirinhas), he’s got strong ideas about how fashion can engage with the global south, and he was a pleasure to talk to. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For the next two weeks, this show will be in Philadelphia, to give a taste of this fine American city.Over the past few decades, Philadelphia has had real problems, but also a lot of image problems: a local police detective decided to label a whole part of the city’s north as the Philadelphia Badlands and just last week someone noticed that Google Maps was still actually labeling it that. Which is bullshit. Back when I was a reporter covering the northeast U.S., I dipped into Philly quite a bit, from the upscale Gayborhood in Center City to, yes, that 25th police district in North Philly, and it’s a hard town not to like, from grit to Gritty.The place I got to know back then is well represented by this week’s guest, fashion designer Walé Oyéjidé, a Nigerian-American designer, writer, musician and lawyer whose designs, under clothing label <a href="https://ikirejones.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ikiré Jones</a>, have appeared in Black Panther and elsewhere. The man is good with a strong drink in the morning (The Trip editor Tafi Mukunyadzi fixed us up with some caipirinhas), he’s got strong ideas about how fashion can engage with the global south, and he was a pleasure to talk to. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 38: Africa, Fashion, Philadelphia 

Toko Sekiguchi

This podcast episode should have porn, right?” It’s an odd but necessary question to put to my old friend and former TIME Magazine colleague, Tokyo-based business journalist Toko Sekiguchi. But she’s a gamer, that Toko, and for this episode, falling close to Valentine’s Day, she’s taking us inside the world of Japanese Love Hotels. Toko and I have done this before, four years ago, while I was reporting for Matt Goulding’s book Rice, Noodle, Fish. But Japan is always in flux, and the infidelity industrial complex keeps on growing. So she and I are back. As a warning, just in case the last 26 episodes of this show haven’t made it clear: this is not appropriate content for children. Or even for spouses. Discretion advised.Episode 27 Show Notes:Rice, Noodle, Fish Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast episode should have porn, right?” It’s an odd but necessary question to put to my old friend and <a href="http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1651222,00.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">former TIME Magazine colleague</a>, Tokyo-based business journalist <a href="https://twitter.com/tokosekiguchi" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Toko Sekiguchi</a>. But she’s a gamer, that Toko, and for this episode, falling close to Valentine’s Day, she’s taking us inside the world of Japanese Love Hotels. Toko and I have done this before, four years ago, while I was reporting for Matt Goulding’s book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rice-Noodle-Fish-Travels-Through/dp/0062394037/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rice, Noodle, Fish</a>. But Japan is always in flux, and the infidelity industrial complex keeps on growing. So she and I are back. As a warning, just in case the last 26 episodes of this show haven’t made it clear: this is not appropriate content for children. Or even for spouses. Discretion advised.Episode 27 Show Notes:<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rice-Noodle-Fish-Travels-Through/dp/0062394037/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rice, Noodle, Fish</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 27: Japanese Love Hotels with Toko Sekiguchi

If you want to know the best thing about Gardena, in south central Los Angeles, I’ll tell you. I think it’s Diana’s, a Mexican lunch counter with apocalyptically good machaca and fresh masa sold by the kilo. It’s especially good if you can meet Yukio Iwamasa there. Yukio, an artist and entrepreneur approaching his mid-80s, lives around the corner from Diana’s, in the house where he spent half his childhood, back when Gardena was a Japanese-American enclave filled with strawberry farms and Buddhist churches.  For this final episode from Los Angeles, though, I wanted to talk to Yukio about the other half of his childhood, the part where he and his family were imprisoned for being Japanese-Americans, locked away in Manzanar in the middle of the desert for four years during World War Two. In its own grim way, it’s a distinctly American story. And it’s a personal story for me—Yukio is my father-in-law, the grandfather of my children. His testimony about life in the camps is important to hear—for them, for me, for any American who didn’t live through it.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you want to know the best thing about Gardena, in south central Los Angeles, I’ll tell you. I think it’s Diana’s, a Mexican lunch counter with apocalyptically good machaca and fresh masa sold by the kilo. It’s especially good if you can meet Yukio Iwamasa there. Yukio, an artist and entrepreneur approaching his mid-80s, lives around the corner from Diana’s, in the house where he spent half his childhood, back when Gardena was a Japanese-American enclave filled with strawberry farms and Buddhist churches.  For this final episode from Los Angeles, though, I wanted to talk to Yukio about the other half of his childhood, the part where he and his family were imprisoned for being Japanese-Americans, locked away in Manzanar in the middle of the desert for four years during World War Two. In its own grim way, it’s a distinctly American story. And it’s a personal story for me—Yukio is my father-in-law, the grandfather of my children. His testimony about life in the camps is important to hear—for them, for me, for any American who didn’t live through it.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 37: Growing Up in the Camps

This year's Emmy Awards were a big night for the people who worked with Anthony Bourdain, with Emmys going to Roads &amp; Kingdoms, Zero Point Zero, and—for his own brilliant show—to W. Kamau Bell, who had traveled to Kenya with Bourdain for a recent episode of Parts Unknown. They are two very different hosts with very different shows, but they shared a common drive to make important television that is entertaining as hell. Bell talked through all this with Nathan Thornburgh while sipping on an arsenal of Japanese energy drinks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This year's Emmy Awards were a big night for the people who worked with Anthony Bourdain, with Emmys going to Roads &amp; Kingdoms, Zero Point Zero, and—for his own brilliant show—to W. Kamau Bell, who had traveled to Kenya with Bourdain for a recent episode of Parts Unknown. They are two very different hosts with very different shows, but they shared a common drive to make important television that is entertaining as hell. Bell talked through all this with Nathan Thornburgh while sipping on an arsenal of Japanese energy drinks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 18: Japanese Energy Drinks with W. Kamau Bell

Francis Lam

The morning after a wedding—any big party—is usually a little groggy. It’s not necessarily unpleasant, especially if it’s February in Thailand and the air is a little bit cool and very humid, and you’re kicking around in a quiet village along the Ping River with someone like Francis Lam. Francis, besides being a classically-trained chef, former New York Times columnist, lauded cookbook editor at Clarkson Potter, and host of The Splendid Table on American Public Media is also one of the truly good people in the world of food and letters. So, Nathan was pleased, not just to get some good stories from his time in Thailand, but also to be able to annoy the living shit out of him with one very trashy word—a portmanteau, really—near the end of the show. Nathan may not be an adversarial news magazine reporter any more, but it’s good to know that he can still piss an interview subject off for business or for pleasure.Episode 31 Show Notes:If you’re not already listening to Francis Lam’s weekly radio show, what are you doing with your life? Head over the The Splendid Table.Influential chef Andy Ricker’s roster of Thai restaurants: Pok Pok Check out the lovely Khun Narata's Instagram.Bangkok-based Austin Bush's book dives into the cuisine of northern Thailand:The Food of Northern Thailand Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The morning after a wedding—any big party—is usually a little groggy. It’s not necessarily unpleasant, especially if it’s February in Thailand and the air is a little bit cool and very humid, and you’re kicking around in a quiet village along the Ping River with someone like <a href="https://twitter.com/francis_lam?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Francis Lam</a>. Francis, besides being a classically-trained chef, former New York Times columnist, lauded cookbook editor at <a href="http://crownpublishing.com/archives/imprint/clarkson-potter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Clarkson Potter</a>, and host of <a href="https://www.splendidtable.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Splendid Table</a> on American Public Media is also one of the truly good people in the world of food and letters. So, Nathan was pleased, not just to get some good stories from his time in Thailand, but also to be able to annoy the living shit out of him with one very trashy word—a portmanteau, really—near the end of the show. Nathan may not be an adversarial news magazine reporter any more, but it’s good to know that he can still piss an interview subject off for business or for pleasure.Episode 31 Show Notes:If you’re not already listening to Francis Lam’s weekly radio show, what are you doing with your life? Head over the <a href="https://www.splendidtable.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Splendid Table</a>.Influential chef Andy Ricker’s roster of Thai restaurants: <a href="https://pokpokrestaurants.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pok Pok </a>Check out the lovely <a href="https://www.instagram.com/khunnarata/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Khun Narata</a>'s Instagram.Bangkok-based Austin Bush's book dives into the cuisine of northern Thailand:<a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780451497499?aff=penguinrandom" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Food of Northern Thailand</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 31: Francis Lam is on a Bleisure Trip to Thailand

Shinji Nohara

Shinji Nohara has been making good things happen for visitors to Tokyo for almost two decades—ever since a lanky camera-shy writer named Anthony Bourdain arrived with Lydia Tenaglia and Chris Collins to shoot their first television episode ever. Shinji was the fixer for that episode. First, he found out what Tony’s food-kinks were, and then he delivered those deepest desires in one single sizzling experience that, by Tony’s own admission, changed his life. That’s Shinji’s job, and nobody does it better than him. So of course, on a layover from Bangkok earlier this month, I asked Shinji to jury-rig two hours of wish fulfillment for me. In this case, it was a layup for the man: a bowl of Setagaya ramen, an extremely cold and fresh beer, and a deep conversation with Shinji in Haneda airport’s new terminal is, to be totally honest, my dream breakfast.Episode 28 Show Notes:A Cook’s TourKitchen Confidential Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Shinji Nohara has been making good things happen for visitors to <a href="https://roadsandkingdoms.com/travel-guide/tokyo/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tokyo</a> for almost two decades—ever since a lanky camera-shy writer named Anthony Bourdain arrived with Lydia Tenaglia and Chris Collins to shoot their first television episode ever. <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tokyofixer/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Shinji</a> was the fixer for that episode. First, he found out what Tony’s food-kinks were, and then he delivered those deepest desires in one single sizzling experience that, by Tony’s own admission, changed his life. That’s Shinji’s job, and nobody does it better than him. So of course, on a layover from Bangkok earlier this month, I asked Shinji to jury-rig two hours of wish fulfillment for me. In this case, it was a layup for the man: a bowl of Setagaya ramen, an extremely cold and fresh beer, and a deep conversation with Shinji in Haneda airport’s new terminal is, to be totally honest, my dream breakfast.Episode 28 Show Notes:<a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306306/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A Cook’s Tour</a><a href="https://www.powells.com/book/-9780062899545" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kitchen Confidential</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 28: Tokyo Fixing with Shinji Nohara

In the center of Cabot Square in downtown Montreal, there is a high column topped with a statue of the spice trader John Cabot, who landed on Canada’s coast more than 500 years ago. Sitting on the benches all around the statue—unloved, unheeded, unhoused—are the descendants of the people Cabot landed on, a semi-permanent population of homeless, mostly indigenous, mostly Inuit, people who live in or around the square.This episode was recorded on Canadian Thanksgiving, a holiday that is all too similar in its origins and implications to the U.S. version. What am I thankful for? I’m thankful for a holiday that, in its sheer gouty revisionism, offers at least a chance to raise a question that all non-native people in the Americas should ask of ourselves more often: what the fuck? What have we done? What the fuck are we continuing to do?Canada may have a cuddly reputation down in the States, but there’s blood on this corner of the commonwealth. And even, as you’ll hear in this episode, in those moments where the country has flashed good intentions, they’ve often been built on the backs of some deeply racist shit. The land theft, the political pillage, the cultural erasure, are an ongoing multigenerational trauma, as my guest on this episode puts it.Her name is Nakuset, a name that she had to reclaim after growing up as an adoptee in a Jewish family in Montreal. She not only has a profound and moving life story, she is also the longtime Executive Director of the Native Women’s Shelter of Montreal. Together with one of her collaborators, David Chapman, whom you heard delivering McDonald’s like some kind of hamburger Santa Claus of Cabot Square, Nakuset is also the driving force behind the new Resilience Montreal center.That center will be right across the street from the statue of John Cabot, and it is no less a monument. A monument to community, a monument to older and better values than settler capitalism, a monument to the incredible survival skills of native Canada, a monument to Resilience.All of this plays out in Nakuset’s professional life, and it plays out in her personal life. So I should also warn that we are going to laugh and joke and drink our mocha and coffee and we’re also talk a bit about a suicide. If you, or someone you are close to, are in distress, please take a moment to reach out for help. I’ll put some resources in the show notes.If you or someone you know is in distress, please reach out for help or just a conversation: National Suicide Prevention LifelineStolen From Our Embrace, a book about the 60’s scoop, forced assimilation, and the indigenous children who survived it. By Suzanne J. Fournier and Ernie CreyCBC mini-documentary on Nakuset and SonyaChristopher Curtis’ stories for the Montreal GazetteDonate to the Native Women’s Shelter of Montreal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the center of Cabot Square in downtown Montreal, there is a high column topped with a statue of the spice trader John Cabot, who landed on Canada’s coast more than 500 years ago. Sitting on the benches all around the statue—unloved, unheeded, unhoused—are the descendants of the people Cabot landed on, a semi-permanent population of homeless, mostly indigenous, mostly Inuit, people who live in or around the square. This episode was recorded on Canadian Thanksgiving, a holiday that is all too similar in its origins and implications to the U.S. version. What am I thankful for? I’m thankful for a holiday that, in its sheer gouty revisionism, offers at least a chance to raise a question that all non-native people in the Americas should ask of ourselves more often: what the fuck? What have we done? What the fuck are we continuing to do? Canada may have a cuddly reputation down in the States, but there’s blood on this corner of the commonwealth. And even, as you’ll hear in this episode, in those moments where the country has flashed good intentions, they’ve often been built on the backs of some deeply racist shit. The land theft, the political pillage, the cultural erasure, are an ongoing multigenerational trauma, as my guest on this episode puts it. Her name is Nakuset, a name that she had to reclaim after growing up as an adoptee in a Jewish family in Montreal. She not only has a profound and moving life story, she is also the longtime Executive Director of the Native Women’s Shelter of Montreal. Together with one of her collaborators, David Chapman, whom you heard delivering McDonald’s like some kind of hamburger Santa Claus of Cabot Square, Nakuset is also the driving force behind the new Resilience Montreal center. That center will be right across the street from the statue of John Cabot, and it is no less a monument. A monument to community, a monument to older and better values than settler capitalism, a monument to the incredible survival skills of native Canada, a monument to Resilience. All of this plays out in Nakuset’s professional life, and it plays out in her personal life. So I should also warn that we are going to laugh and joke and drink our mocha and coffee and we’re also talk a bit about a suicide. If you, or someone you are close to, are in distress, please take a moment to reach out for help. I’ll put some resources in the show notes. If you or someone you know is in distress, please reach out for help or just a conversation: <a href="https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">National Suicide Prevention Lifeline</a><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1863296.Stolen_from_Our_Embrace" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stolen From Our Embrace</a>, a book about the 60’s scoop, forced assimilation, and the indigenous children who survived it. By Suzanne J. Fournier and Ernie Crey<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7s78ishGyQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CBC mini-documentary on Nakuset and Sonya</a><a href="https://montrealgazette.com/author/christophercurtis" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Christopher Curtis’ stories for the Montreal Gazette</a><a href="http://www.nwsm.info/donate" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Donate</a> to the Native Women’s Shelter of Montreal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 64: Surviving the 60s Scoop

Michael Snyder

Journalist Michael Snyder writes about food, conflict, the environment, and fishing. That slurry of interests brought him to the Bolivian Amazon for an investigation into the invasive Paiche, a hulking, invasive fish that is destroying old ecosystems and building new economies. In this episode, host Nathan Thornburgh talks with Michael about the resulting Roads &amp; Kingdoms feature Invasion of a River Fish, and they get to the important business of both insulting the fish's intelligence and explaining how it ended up for sale in your local Whole Foods. Read the condensed transcript of the conversation on Roads &amp; Kingdoms  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Journalist Michael Snyder writes about food, conflict, the environment, and fishing. That slurry of interests brought him to the Bolivian Amazon for an investigation into the invasive Paiche, a hulking, invasive fish that is destroying old ecosystems and building new economies. In this episode, host Nathan Thornburgh talks with Michael about the resulting Roads &amp; Kingdoms feature <a href="https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2018/invasion-of-a-river-giant/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Invasion of a River Fish</a>, and they get to the important business of both insulting the fish's intelligence and explaining how it ended up for sale in your local Whole Foods. Read the <a href="https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2018/punking-the-paiche-with-michael-snyder/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">condensed transcript</a> of the conversation on Roads &amp; Kingdoms  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 19: Punking the Paiche with Michael Snyder

Jason Rezaian

Iranian-American Jason Rezaian, native of Marin County, was just trying to report on the daily lives and hopes of the people of Tehran. But as his gripping new book Prisoner details, he instead ended up in the notorious Evin Prison, a chess piece in an international showdown between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States. He sat down with host Nathan Thornburgh over classic Cokes and talked about the day he and his wife were arrested, what he thinks of his captors, and his stubborn hopes for Iranian society. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Iranian-American Jason Rezaian, native of Marin County, was just trying to report on the daily lives and hopes of the people of Tehran. But as his gripping new book <a href="https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/a/9780062691576-item.html?s_campaign=aff-001-4154447-HarperCollins%20Canada-Ongoing_Site_Indigo%20Redirect_Text-10437934-7306560&amp;cjevent=3606433427c611e9801e03040a180513" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Prisoner</a> details, he instead ended up in the notorious Evin Prison, a chess piece in an international showdown between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States. He sat down with host Nathan Thornburgh over classic Cokes and talked about the day he and his wife were arrested, what he thinks of his captors, and his stubborn hopes for Iranian society. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 25: What Jason Rezaian Learned as a Prisoner in Iran

Rosio Sanchez

One of the great shortcomings of northern Europe—an otherwise pleasant place with soft sunsets and universal healthcare—has always been the utter lack of quality Mexican food. Rosio Sanchez, a celebrated restaurateur and chef from Chicago who has worked at some of the best restaurants on earth, is changing that. She talked with Nathan about living in Copenhagen, cooking fjord shrimp in salsa diabla, and what authenticity means to her. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One of the great shortcomings of northern Europe—an otherwise pleasant place with soft sunsets and universal healthcare—has always been the utter lack of quality Mexican food. Rosio Sanchez, a celebrated restaurateur and chef from Chicago who has worked at some of the best restaurants on earth, is changing that. She talked with Nathan about living in Copenhagen, cooking fjord shrimp in salsa diabla, and what authenticity means to her. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 17: Tacos in Viking Country with Rosio Sanchez

Dan "the Automator" Nakamura is one of the great music producers of our time. Someone who, like Brian Eno or Phil Spector, changed the sound of an entire decade. The fact that he did it as an Asian-American breaking into hiphop way back in the early 90s, well, there's a story. Automator mixed some excellent negronis at his studio in San Francisco and talked with Nathan about his unlikely path to hiphop immortality and why he's owning his Asian-American identity now more than ever. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dan "the Automator" Nakamura is one of the great music producers of our time. Someone who, like Brian Eno or Phil Spector, changed the sound of an entire decade. The fact that he did it as an Asian-American breaking into hiphop way back in the early 90s, well, there's a story. Automator mixed some excellent negronis at his studio in San Francisco and talked with Nathan about his unlikely path to hiphop immortality and why he's owning his Asian-American identity now more than ever. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 16: San Francisco Happy Hour with Dan the Automator

Yasmin Khan

Chef, author and former human rights campaigner Yasmin Khan seems to have a mission statement very like our own at Roads &amp; Kingdoms. That is, pay attention to what’s on the plate in a way that might spark some change and bring people together (and have a damned good time doing so). There aren’t many books that try to do all of that as gorgeously as Zaitoun, Yasmin’s new book about Palestinian cuisine. We met a while back at the Roads &amp; Kingdoms office in Brooklyn as Yasmin somehow hacked a pretty decent Old Monk hot toddy from our office kitchen. Her book Zaitoun is out this week in the United States, and we’re a better country for it.Episode 26 Show Notes: Yasmin's gorgeous cookbooksZaitoun: Recipes and Stories from the Palestinian KitchenThe Saffron Tales: Recipes from the Persian KitchenThe Roads &amp; Kingdoms Perfect Dish series with Anthony Bourdain and Yasmin Khan: Perfect Dish OkinawaPerfect Dish TokyoFrom the closing notesMidnight in Chernobyl: The Story of the World's Greatest Nuclear Disaster by Adam Higginbotham BUY THIS BOOK TOO. It's excellent Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chef, author and former human rights campaigner <a href="http://yasminkhanstories.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Yasmin Khan</a> seems to have a mission statement very like our own at Roads &amp; Kingdoms. That is, pay attention to what’s on the plate in a way that might spark some change and bring people together (and have a damned good time doing so). There aren’t many books that try to do all of that as gorgeously as Zaitoun, Yasmin’s new book about Palestinian cuisine. We met a while back at the Roads &amp; Kingdoms office in Brooklyn as Yasmin somehow hacked a pretty decent Old Monk hot toddy from our office kitchen. Her book Zaitoun is out this week in the United States, and we’re a better country for it.Episode 26 Show Notes: Yasmin's gorgeous cookbooks<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Zaitoun-Recipes-Palestinian-Yasmin-Khan/dp/132400262X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2LOS3PQLMOL4W&amp;keywords=zaitoun+recipes+and+stories+from+the+palestinian+kitchen&amp;qid=1549855672&amp;s=gateway&amp;sprefix=zaitoun+%2Caps%2C141&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Zaitoun: Recipes and Stories from the Palestinian Kitchen</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Saffron-Tales-Recipes-Persian-Kitchen/dp/1632867109" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Saffron Tales: Recipes from the Persian Kitchen</a>The Roads &amp; Kingdoms Perfect Dish series with Anthony Bourdain and Yasmin Khan: <a href="https://explorepartsunknown.com/play/perfect-dish/?play=7" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Perfect Dish Okinawa</a><a href="https://explorepartsunknown.com/play/perfect-dish/?play=8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Perfect Dish Tokyo</a>From the closing notes<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Chernobyl-Greatest-Nuclear-Disaster-ebook/dp/B07GNV7PNH" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Midnight in Chernobyl: The Story of the World's Greatest Nuclear Disaster by Adam Higginbotham</a> BUY THIS BOOK TOO. It's excellent Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 26: Yasmin Khan Cooks Her Way through Palestine

Wanuri Kahiu

Ah, chatting about the weather. A bit of timeworn small-talk, favored by fumbly podcast hosts everywhere. But that pleasant chill in the air in Nairobi in early summer; that is at the heart of everything we’re going to be talking about over the next weeks here in Kenya. That cool climate, it seems, was Nairobi’s original sin, the thing that first drew British civil engineers to build a rail depot here in 1899. Pity the poor colonizer, who had been trying to subjugate so many peoples in the unbearable heat. Here at more than 5800 feet above sea level—way higher even than Denver—the air is dewy and lovely and it makes perfect sense that it would make an appealing homebase for your average gin-soaked sadist from Old Blighty looking to queen over all of East Africa. So Nairobi was born as a European city, and this whole region of East Africa became known as the White Highlands, where the land was stolen from the Masai and Kikuyu with such vigor and arrogance that, well, you had the Nandi resistance and the Kolloa Massacre and the Mau Mau Uprising and finally a free Nairobi, capitol city of the independent Republic of Kenya. Its airport was built in part by Mau Mau prisoners held by the British in ghastly conditions, and today the airport is named after freedom fighter and first president Jomo Kenyatta. That’s just the first taste, for any arriving visitor, of the conflicting strands of DNA that weave around each other throughout this city. My first attempt to untangle it all starts with Wanuri Kahiu. When we put Nairobi on the calendar, she was the first person we thought of having on the show. When she said she lives in Karen, a particularly dewy and green district of Nairobi with a view of the Ngong Hills, that’s where I decided to stay. She is a leader that way, through her work and in person, she communicates this sense of humor and lightness mixed with intimate moral urgency, a push to see the world as she sees it, knows it, films it. If you are a fan of film and disturbed by censorship, you’ll know her film Rafiki, the first Kenyan film to screen at the Cannes Film Festival, even as it was it banned by the Kenyan authorities for reasons relating to, well, gay-ism. But as you’ll hear in this episode, the fights she fought with Rafiki are still ongoing, and so are her triumphs, which will be coming, with more of that quiet and effective force, to your favorite streaming platform soon.Welcome to Nairobi, this is first of five episodes from this city, each featuring a different interview with artists, filmmakers, journalists and musicians. Show notes:Rafiki trailer TEDx Wanuri Kahiu talkKenya Supreme Court Anti-Homosexuality RulingHajooj Kuka’s documentary Beats of the Antonov Afrobubblegum For more episodes of The Trip, visit luminary.link/thetrip Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ah, chatting about the weather. A bit of timeworn small-talk, favored by fumbly podcast hosts everywhere. But that pleasant chill in the air in Nairobi in early summer; that is at the heart of everything we’re going to be talking about over the next weeks here in Kenya. That cool climate, it seems, was Nairobi’s original sin, the thing that first drew British civil engineers to build a rail depot here in 1899. Pity the poor colonizer, who had been trying to subjugate so many peoples in the unbearable heat. Here at more than 5800 feet above sea level—way higher even than Denver—the air is dewy and lovely and it makes perfect sense that it would make an appealing homebase for your average gin-soaked sadist from Old Blighty looking to queen over all of East Africa. So Nairobi was born as a European city, and this whole region of East Africa became known as the White Highlands, where the land was stolen from the Masai and Kikuyu with such vigor and arrogance that, well, you had the Nandi resistance and the Kolloa Massacre and the Mau Mau Uprising and finally a free Nairobi, capitol city of the independent Republic of Kenya. Its airport was built in part by Mau Mau prisoners held by the British in ghastly conditions, and today the airport is named after freedom fighter and first president Jomo Kenyatta. That’s just the first taste, for any arriving visitor, of the conflicting strands of DNA that weave around each other throughout this city. My first attempt to untangle it all starts with Wanuri Kahiu. When we put Nairobi on the calendar, she was the first person we thought of having on the show. When she said she lives in Karen, a particularly dewy and green district of Nairobi with a view of the Ngong Hills, that’s where I decided to stay. She is a leader that way, through her work and in person, she communicates this sense of humor and lightness mixed with intimate moral urgency, a push to see the world as she sees it, knows it, films it. If you are a fan of film and disturbed by censorship, you’ll know her film Rafiki, the first Kenyan film to screen at the Cannes Film Festival, even as it was it banned by the Kenyan authorities for reasons relating to, well, gay-ism. But as you’ll hear in this episode, the fights she fought with Rafiki are still ongoing, and so are her triumphs, which will be coming, with more of that quiet and effective force, to your favorite streaming platform soon.Welcome to Nairobi, this is first of five episodes from this city, each featuring a different interview with artists, filmmakers, journalists and musicians. Show notes:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRScuC_TkME" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rafiki trailer</a> <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/wanuri_kahiu_fun_fierce_and_fantastical_african_art?language=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TEDx Wanuri Kahiu talk</a><a href="https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/05/24/kenya-court-upholds-archaic-anti-homosexuality-laws-0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kenya Supreme Court Anti-Homosexuality Ruling</a>Hajooj Kuka’s documentary <a href="https://africa.film/beats-of-the-antonov-a-hajooj-kuka-documentary/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Beats of the Antonov</a> <a href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bje5yw/inside-the-psychedelic-new-film-genre-redefining-african-representation" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Afrobubblegum</a> For more episodes of The Trip, visit <a href="http://luminary.link/thetrip" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">luminary.link/thetrip</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 55:  Wanuri Kahiu

Matt Orlando

Matt Orlando has worked at some of the great restaurants on this planet. Per Se in New York; The Fat Duck in the UK; Noma in Copenhagen, where he was head chef under Rene Redzepi. But it wasn’t until he opened his restaurant Amass—and looked in his own dumpster—that he found his true calling. As you’ll hear in this episode, his vision for a zero-waste restaurant is idealistic, inspiring, and is somehow also super delicious. Host Nathan Thornburgh sat down with him in Galway—the last of The Trip guests from Food on the Edge this fall—at a very early hour and drank instant coffee with him. Because, you know, world-class chefs demand a hot cup of Bewley’s coffee crystals. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matt Orlando has worked at some of the great restaurants on this planet. Per Se in New York; The Fat Duck in the UK; Noma in Copenhagen, where he was head chef under Rene Redzepi. But it wasn’t until he opened <a href="https://amassrestaurant.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">his restaurant Amass</a>—and looked in his own dumpster—that he found his true calling. As you’ll hear in this episode, his vision for a zero-waste restaurant is idealistic, inspiring, and is somehow also super delicious. Host Nathan Thornburgh sat down with him in Galway—the last of The Trip guests from <a href="https://foodontheedge.ie/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Food on the Edge</a> this fall—at a very early hour and drank instant coffee with him. Because, you know, world-class chefs demand a hot cup of <a href="https://www.bewleys.com/ie/product-category/coffee/instant-coffee/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bewley’s coffee crystals</a>. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 20: Matt Orlando's Restaurant of the Future

Jennifer Ching

One of host Nathan Thornburgh’s New Year’s resolutions is to stop just stepping past all the human misery in New York City and actually think about helping. But how? Jennifer Ching might know. She’s an immigrant, a Harvard grad, a lawyer, and now the executive director of North Star Fund, a community foundation that focuses not on just giving money, but also giving power, to the oppressed and the underserved of New York. She and Nathan drink Flor y Machete herbal tea (from an activist herbal collective of course) and talked about the joy of pushing for longterm systemic change in an era of fresh daily outrages.Read more about North Star fund, and goddamnit just donate if you can. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One of host Nathan Thornburgh’s New Year’s resolutions is to stop just stepping past all the human misery in New York City and actually think about helping. But how? Jennifer Ching might know. She’s an immigrant, a Harvard grad, a lawyer, and now the executive director of North Star Fund, a community foundation that focuses not on just giving money, but also giving power, to the oppressed and the underserved of New York. She and Nathan drink <a href="https://www.florymachete.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Flor y Machete</a> herbal tea (from an activist herbal collective of course) and talked about the joy of pushing for longterm systemic change in an era of fresh daily outrages.Read more about <a href="https://northstarfund.org/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">North Star fund</a>, and goddamnit just <a href="https://northstarfund.org/give/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donate</a> if you can. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 22: Jennifer Ching is Dismantling the System

The last time I had seen Kris Yenbamroong, he and his partner Sarah St Lifer were giving me a ride into downtown Chiang Mai from a village on the outskirts. I had thought about interviewing him in Northern Thailand, since we were there, and since his Night+Market restaurants in Los Angeles are nominally Thai places. But the more he talked about his restaurants, and about himself, it was clear, as we put it in this episode, these aren’t Thai Restaurants. These are LA restaurants.  That’s why, for our second of three LA episodes, I’m so psyched for this conversation. California plus Kris, that’s what makes Night+Market. We talked about that combination, about why wines are such a huge part of what he does, about how he ambushed Jonathan Gold at a public event and ended up having him be a huge Night+Market fan.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The last time I had seen Kris Yenbamroong, he and his partner Sarah St Lifer were giving me a ride into downtown Chiang Mai from a village on the outskirts. I had thought about interviewing him in Northern Thailand, since we were there, and since his Night+Market restaurants in Los Angeles are nominally Thai places. But the more he talked about his restaurants, and about himself, it was clear, as we put it in this episode, these aren’t Thai Restaurants. These are LA restaurants.  That’s why, for our second of three LA episodes, I’m so psyched for this conversation. California plus Kris, that’s what makes Night+Market. We talked about that combination, about why wines are such a huge part of what he does, about how he ambushed Jonathan Gold at a public event and ended up having him be a huge Night+Market fan.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 36: California+Kris = Night+Market

Naomi Duguid

The Trip host Nathan Thornburgh would not be the first person to admit to falling deeply, darkly in love with the markets of Southeast Asia. There’s just something about the slurry of exhaust, sticky air and stickier rice, knockoff Premier League kits, fresh fruit, and dried worms, wild lime leaves, mango hawkers, and sausage mongers. They hit you in all the senses. They imprint on your brain. And nobody has helped Nathan and countless others decode that imprint and make sense of those markets more than Naomi Duguid—a guide, savant, author, and all-around bridge from West to East. Naomi basically invented a deeply popular genre of book: the wandering, anthropological journalistic cookbook. With classics like Hot Sour Salty Sweet, Burma: Rivers of Flavor, and Taste of Persia. Of all the places she could have settled on Earth, she settled in Chiang Mai, Thailand, where she lives half of the year. That’s why Nathan, oh so thirsty at the end of dry January, chose Naomi to help him break his fast with fermented sticky rice wine and that delightfully downmarket thing they call Thai whiskey, which is actually rum.Episode 30 Show Notes:Hot Sour Salty SweetBurma: Rivers of FlavorTaste of Persia Salt: A World History  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Trip host Nathan Thornburgh would not be the first person to admit to falling deeply, darkly in love with the markets of Southeast Asia. There’s just something about the slurry of exhaust, sticky air and stickier rice, knockoff Premier League kits, fresh fruit, and dried worms, wild lime leaves, mango hawkers, and sausage mongers. They hit you in all the senses. They imprint on your brain. And nobody has helped Nathan and countless others decode that imprint and make sense of those markets more than Naomi Duguid—a guide, savant, author, and all-around bridge from West to East. Naomi basically invented a deeply popular genre of book: the wandering, anthropological journalistic cookbook. With classics like <a href="https://www.powells.com/book/hot-sour-salty-sweet-a-culinary-journey-through-southeast-asia-9781579651145" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hot Sour Salty Sweet</a>, <a href="https://www.powells.com/book/-9781579654139" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Burma: Rivers of Flavor</a>, and <a href="https://www.powells.com/book/-9781579655488" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Taste of Persia</a>. Of all the places she could have settled on Earth, she settled in Chiang Mai, Thailand, where she lives half of the year. That’s why Nathan, oh so thirsty at the end of dry January, chose Naomi to help him break his fast with fermented sticky rice wine and that delightfully downmarket thing they call Thai whiskey, which is actually rum.Episode 30 Show Notes:<a href="https://www.powells.com/book/hot-sour-salty-sweet-a-culinary-journey-through-southeast-asia-9781579651145" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hot Sour Salty Sweet</a><a href="https://www.powells.com/book/-9781579654139" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Burma: Rivers of Flavor</a><a href="https://www.powells.com/book/-9781579655488" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Taste of Persia</a><a href="https://www.powells.com/book/salt-9780142001615" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Salt: A World History</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 30: Naomi Duguid on the Charms of Chiang Mai 

Carolina Miranda

 Los Angeles is a place that is too big, too deep, spread too thin under the marine layer and above the concrete culverts to give you, the visitor, any idea of what the hell is really going on. I didn’t know that the first half-dozen or times I came, and I didn’t understand the place at all. And if I’ve learned anything in the decades since, it’s that you need your people. The ones who have found their place in the basin and can bring you along and communicate their vision of what Los Angeles means to them. So now I’ve got JR in Manhattan Beach, Mike in West Hollywood, Yukio in South Central, and, increasingly Carolina Miranda--my former colleague at Time Magazine--for everything east of the 110. In the next few weeks, you’ll meet some of these people—my people—in Los Angeles, and I couldn’t be happier starting here in East LA with Carolina. She is deeply influential writer, culture hawk and collective bargainer at the resurgent Los Angeles Times. We’re drinking this juice from her front yard, spiked with prosecco, and talking about porn theaters, old-school donut shops, and what Latinos in the southland have to teach us all.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Los Angeles is a place that is too big, too deep, spread too thin under the marine layer and above the concrete culverts to give you, the visitor, any idea of what the hell is really going on. I didn’t know that the first half-dozen or times I came, and I didn’t understand the place at all. And if I’ve learned anything in the decades since, it’s that you need your people. The ones who have found their place in the basin and can bring you along and communicate their vision of what Los Angeles means to them. So now I’ve got JR in Manhattan Beach, Mike in West Hollywood, Yukio in South Central, and, increasingly Carolina Miranda--my former colleague at Time Magazine--for everything east of the 110. In the next few weeks, you’ll meet some of these people—my people—in Los Angeles, and I couldn’t be happier starting here in East LA with Carolina. She is deeply influential writer, culture hawk and collective bargainer at the resurgent Los Angeles Times. We’re drinking this juice from her front yard, spiked with prosecco, and talking about porn theaters, old-school donut shops, and what Latinos in the southland have to teach us all.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 35: Carolina Miranda in her East LA Eden

Howard Conyers

We are in mid-city New Orleans with Dr. Howard Conyers, host of the PBS show Nourish, a rocket scientist by day and whole hog barbecue pitmaster by night and by weekend. If we have to have only one more episode in this flagrantly fabulous town, then we’re glad it's with Dr. Conyers. He is originally from the deep South, the rural South, but he chose to make New Orleans his home after Katrina. We talked about that move and about how black pitmasters are reclaiming barbecue and about exactly what space engineering and fire-meets-pig engineering have in common.Episode 34 Show Notes:Check out Dr. Conyers’ PBS show Nourish.Stay tuned for updates on lawyer and food historian Adrian Miller's upcoming book on barbecue called Black Smoke. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We are in mid-city New Orleans with Dr. Howard Conyers, host of the <a href="https://www.pbs.org/show/nourish/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PBS show Nourish</a>, a rocket scientist by day and whole hog barbecue pitmaster by night and by weekend. If we have to have only <a href="https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2019/l-kasimu-harris-imagines-uprising-new-orleans/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">one more</a> <a href="https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2019/pepper-bowen-laying-food-law-new-orleans/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">episode</a> in this flagrantly fabulous town, then we’re glad it's with Dr. Conyers. He is originally from the deep South, the rural South, but he chose to make New Orleans his home after Katrina. We talked about that move and about how black pitmasters are reclaiming barbecue and about exactly what space engineering and fire-meets-pig engineering have in common.Episode 34 Show Notes:Check out Dr. Conyers’ PBS show <a href="https://www.pbs.org/show/nourish/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nourish</a>.Stay tuned for updates on lawyer and food historian <a href="http://adrianemiller.com/about-adrian/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Adrian Mille</a>r's upcoming book on barbecue called Black Smoke. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 34:  Dr. Howard Conyers is Reclaiming BBQ for Black Pitmasters

Pepper Bowen

New Orleans is so old, so fine, so big in the culture, and so vast in its disappointments and its triumphs, that it feels odd to mention just one side of the crescent kaleidoscope. But we have to call out one thing that has long attracted us to the city: New Orleans is like Disneyland for day-drinkers. In other cities, we sometimes have to apologize a bit for asking our guests to drink before sundown. When The Trip editor Tafi told this week’s guest, the food lawyer Pepper Bowen, that we were interested in a little midday hard alcohol, she wrote back immediately: “Sounds Festive!” That is our kind of lawyer, our kind of town. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

New Orleans is so old, so fine, so big in the culture, and so vast in its disappointments and its triumphs, that it feels odd to mention just one side of the crescent kaleidoscope. But we have to call out one thing that has long attracted us to the city: New Orleans is like Disneyland for day-drinkers. In other cities, we sometimes have to apologize a bit for asking our guests to drink before sundown. When The Trip editor Tafi told this week’s guest, the food lawyer <a href="http://www.pepperbowen.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pepper Bowen</a>, that we were interested in a little midday hard alcohol, she wrote back immediately: “Sounds Festive!” That is our kind of lawyer, our kind of town. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Episode 33: Pepper Bowen is Laying Down the Food Law in New Orleans

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