When professor of English literature Theresa Brown, PhD, BSN, RN decided to become an oncology nurse, she suddenly found herself juggling seemingly-impossible patient expectations. And when she later was diagnosed with breast cancer herself, she was forced to confront the paradoxes of a healthcare system that demands so much of its practitioners yet provides insufficient support for them. She recounts these revelations in her recent book, Healing: When a Nurse Becomes a Patient. A frequent contributor to the New York Times, Theresa is also the author of several bestselling books detailing her experiences helping patients through some of the most devastating moments in their lives. Over the course of our conversation, Theresa shares her unusual journey to nursing, the daily struggles she encounters caring for the sickest patients in the hospital, and what her experiences as a cancer patient have taught her about finding solace in the midst of our imperfect healthcare system.In this episode, you will hear about:Theresa’s path from English professor to oncology nurse - 2:07What “whole person care” means to Theresa - 5:54A day in the life of an oncology nurse - 11:26How Theresa managed the emotional stress of working with seriously ill patients in such a prolonged and often intimate way - 18:47The high risk of moral injury in the nursing profession - 34:34Theresa’s experiences when the tables were turned and she became a cancer patient herself - 38:53Theresa’s practical advice for leading with kindness with patients - 44:43Theresa Brown is the author of several books about her experiences in nursing, including: The Shift: One Nurse, Twelve Hours, Four Patients’ Lives (2016) and Critical Care: A New Nurse Faces Death, Life, and Everything in Between (2011).You can follow Theresa Brown, RN on Twitter @TheresaBrown.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

When professor of English literature <a href="https://www.theresabrownrn.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Theresa Brown, PhD, BSN, RN</a> decided to become an oncology nurse, she suddenly found herself juggling seemingly-impossible patient expectations. And when she later was diagnosed with breast cancer herself, she was forced to confront the paradoxes of a healthcare system that demands so much of its practitioners yet provides insufficient support for them. She recounts these revelations in her recent book, <a href="https://www.theresabrownrn.com/books" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Healing: When a Nurse Becomes a Patient</a>. A frequent contributor to the New York Times, Theresa is also the author of several bestselling books detailing her experiences helping patients through some of the most devastating moments in their lives. Over the course of our conversation, Theresa shares her unusual journey to nursing, the daily struggles she encounters caring for the sickest patients in the hospital, and what her experiences as a cancer patient have taught her about finding solace in the midst of our imperfect healthcare system. In this episode, you will hear about: <ul><li>Theresa’s path from English professor to oncology nurse - 2:07</li><li>What “whole person care” means to Theresa - 5:54</li><li>A day in the life of an oncology nurse - 11:26</li><li>How Theresa managed the emotional stress of working with seriously ill patients in such a prolonged and often intimate way - 18:47</li><li>The high risk of moral injury in the nursing profession - 34:34</li><li>Theresa’s experiences when the tables were turned and she became a cancer patient herself - 38:53</li><li>Theresa’s practical advice for leading with kindness with patients - 44:43</li></ul>Theresa Brown is the author of several books about her experiences in nursing, including: <a href="https://www.theresabrownrn.com/books" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Shift: One Nurse, Twelve Hours, Four Patients’ Lives</a> (2016) and <a href="https://www.theresabrownrn.com/books#critical" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Critical Care: A New Nurse Faces Death, Life, and Everything in Between</a> (2011).You can follow Theresa Brown, RN on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/theresabrown" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@TheresaBrown</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

When a Cancer Nurse Becomes a Cancer Patient (with Theresa Brown, PhD, RN)

Sunita Puri

Despite the optimism of modern healthcare promising ever more miraculous cures, there are inevitably moments in medicine that compel us to face the fact that not all problems can be fixed. Recognizing the limits of medicine and navigating the space between what can be done and what should be done for a patient requires a fundamental shift in mindset, one imbued with an understanding that sometimes acceptance is the most compassionate response. Our guest on this episode, palliative care physician Sunita Puri, MD, has dedicated her life to probing this delicate space, uncovering wisdom along the way on what it means to live and die with purpose and dignity. She is the author of the 2019 memoir That Good Night: Life and Medicine in the Eleventh Hour, and her writings have often appeared in The New York Times. In this conversation, we explore how she discovered palliative medicine, the importance of language in medicine's most difficult moments, and how impermanence and grief help us make meaning out of a world that often seems chaotic and senseless.In this episode, you will hear about:How Dr. Puri’s relationship with her parents drew her into medicine - 2:46The inspirational way that Dr. Puri’s physician mother connected with patients - 4:49Dr. Puri’s experiences entering the field of palliative care - 10:56Reflections on what Dr. Puri needed to “unlearn” over the course of her career as a physician - 15:36The recognition that not all diseases can be cured and not all problems can be fixed - 21:37Advice on how to engage patients and families when further curative medical interventions are futile - 32:29Dr. Puri’s experiences on helping other doctors through difficult moments - 38:56Why Dr. Puri writes and how she came to write her book That Good Night: Life and Medicine in the Eleventh Hour - 43:43Grief, empathy, and the sacred mission of medicine - 49:24In addition to her memoir That Good Night, we also discussed her New York Times article "We Must Learn to Look at Grief Even When We Want to Run Away."You can follow Dr. Sunita Puri on Twitter @SunitaPuriMD.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Despite the optimism of modern healthcare promising ever more miraculous cures, there are inevitably moments in medicine that compel us to face the fact that not all problems can be fixed. Recognizing the limits of medicine and navigating the space between what can be done and what should be done for a patient requires a fundamental shift in mindset, one imbued with an understanding that sometimes acceptance is the most compassionate response. Our guest on this episode, palliative care physician Sunita Puri, MD, has dedicated her life to probing this delicate space, uncovering wisdom along the way on what it means to live and die with purpose and dignity. She is the author of the 2019 memoir <a href="https://sunitapuri.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">That Good Night: Life and Medicine in the Eleventh Hour</a>, and her writings have <a href="https://sunitapuri.com/other-writing/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">often appeared in The New York Times</a>. In this conversation, we explore how she discovered palliative medicine, the importance of language in medicine's most difficult moments, and how impermanence and grief help us make meaning out of a world that often seems chaotic and senseless. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>How Dr. Puri’s relationship with her parents drew her into medicine - 2:46</li><li>The inspirational way that Dr. Puri’s physician mother connected with patients - 4:49</li><li>Dr. Puri’s experiences entering the field of palliative care - 10:56</li><li>Reflections on what Dr. Puri needed to “unlearn” over the course of her career as a physician - 15:36</li><li>The recognition that not all diseases can be cured and not all problems can be fixed - 21:37</li><li>Advice on how to engage patients and families when further curative medical interventions are futile - 32:29</li><li>Dr. Puri’s experiences on helping other doctors through difficult moments - 38:56</li><li>Why Dr. Puri writes and how she came to write her book <a href="https://sunitapuri.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">That Good Night: Life and Medicine in the Eleventh Hour</a> - 43:43</li><li>Grief, empathy, and the sacred mission of medicine - 49:24</li></ul>In addition to her memoir That Good Night, we also discussed her New York Times article "<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/opinion/death-grief-covid.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">We Must Learn to Look at Grief Even When We Want to Run Away.</a>"You can follow Dr. Sunita Puri on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sunitapurimd" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SunitaPuriMD</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

The Beauty of Impermanence (with Dr. Sunita Puri)

David Fajgenbaum

As a medical student, former college quarterback David Fajgenbaum, MD was at the peak of his health and physique when he suddenly came down with a mysterious disease that, within weeks, led to multiple organ system failure. Dr. Fajgenbaum found himself on the brink of death over and over again in the intensive care unit, at one point receiving his last rites, with all of his doctors baffled about the cause of his illness. When the culprit was eventually found to be Castleman Disease, a rare disease entity that to this day defies categorization, he took matters into his own hands, researching and testing treatments on himself before finally discovering his own cure. Today, Dr. Fajgenbaum is not only the co-founder of the Castleman Disease Collaborative Network, but is leading efforts to discover therapies for other rare diseases. He is the author of the 2019 memoir Chasing My Cure. In this riveting conversation, Dr. Fajgenbaum shares his incredible, inspiring story to turn hope into action.In this episode, you will hear about:How the loss of his mother to cancer led Dr. Fajgenbaum to pursue a career in medicine - 2:13The rapid deterioration from peak physical health to multiple organ system failure that struck Dr. Fajgenbaum - 6:04Dr. Fajgenbaum reflects on the terror of his unknown affliction and how he maintained resilience - 12:59How a brief remission gave Dr. Fajgenbaum an opportunity to turn passive hope into action - 21:47How a relapse led to a series of experimental treatments and a realization that his cure might already exist - 24:47How deep research and self-experimentation led to a breakthrough - 36:42Dr. Fajgenbaum’s nonprofit Every Cure and its mission to discover new uses of existing drugs - 42:02How Dr. Fajgenbaum feels when he cares for patients in similar plights to his own prior - 47:03What clinicians can do to comfort patients even when treatment options are limited - 51:37Advice to clinicians and students who are interested in medical research - 53:25Lessons on presence and compassion that Dr. Fajgenbaum has learned from having been both physician and patient - 56:32You can follow Dr. Fajgenbaum on Twitter @DavidFajgenbaum.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

As a medical student, former college quarterback <a href="https://www.med.upenn.edu/apps/faculty/index.php/g275/p8205911" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">David Fajgenbaum, MD</a> was at the peak of his health and physique when he suddenly came down with a mysterious disease that, within weeks, led to multiple organ system failure. Dr. Fajgenbaum found himself on the brink of death over and over again in the intensive care unit, at one point receiving his last rites, with all of his doctors baffled about the cause of his illness. When the culprit was eventually found to be <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castleman_disease" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Castleman Disease</a>, a rare disease entity that to this day defies categorization, he took matters into his own hands, researching and testing treatments on himself before finally discovering his own cure. Today, Dr. Fajgenbaum is not only the co-founder of the <a href="https://cdcn.org/leadership-team/david-fajgenbaum/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Castleman Disease Collaborative Network</a>, but is leading efforts to discover therapies for other rare diseases. He is the author of the 2019 memoir <a href="https://chasingmycure.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Chasing My Cure</a>. In this riveting conversation, Dr. Fajgenbaum shares his incredible, inspiring story to turn hope into action. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>How the loss of his mother to cancer led Dr. Fajgenbaum to pursue a career in medicine - 2:13</li><li>The rapid deterioration from peak physical health to multiple organ system failure that struck Dr. Fajgenbaum - 6:04</li><li>Dr. Fajgenbaum reflects on the terror of his unknown affliction and how he maintained resilience - 12:59</li><li>How a brief remission gave Dr. Fajgenbaum an opportunity to turn passive hope into action - 21:47</li><li>How a relapse led to a series of experimental treatments and a realization that his cure might already exist - 24:47</li><li>How deep research and self-experimentation led to a breakthrough - 36:42</li><li>Dr. Fajgenbaum’s nonprofit <a href="https://everycure.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Every Cure</a> and its mission to discover new uses of existing drugs - 42:02</li><li>How Dr. Fajgenbaum feels when he cares for patients in similar plights to his own prior - 47:03</li><li>What clinicians can do to comfort patients even when treatment options are limited - 51:37</li><li>Advice to clinicians and students who are interested in medical research - 53:25</li><li>Lessons on presence and compassion that Dr. Fajgenbaum has learned from having been both physician and patient - 56:32</li></ul>You can follow Dr. Fajgenbaum on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfajgenbaum" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@DavidFajgenbaum</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

The Physician Who Cured Himself (with Dr. David Fajgenbaum)

Gail Gazelle

According to our guest on this episode, Gail Gazelle, MD, there has never been a more difficult time to be a doctor. Whether or not you agree with this statement, it's true that clinicians today are expected to see more patients in less time than ever before, spend hours on the electronic medical record, and manage countless administrative and organizational pressures. Dr. Gazelle is a physician coach who specializes in helping doctors build resilience and confidence in order to overcome burnout and rediscover joy in medicine. She is the author of the book Mindful MD: Six Ways Mindfulness Restores Your Autonomy and Cures Healthcare Burnout. Over the course of our conversation, we discussed the psychological and organizational factors that contribute to burnout and what we can do to overcome them.In this episode, you will hear about:What drew Dr. Gazelle into medicine and what eventually led her away from clinical practice - 1:58The differences and similarities between coaching and therapy - 7:22How much of coaching is about helping people change the narratives of their lives - 9:45The kinds of people who seek Dr. Gazelle’s help - 14:18The increasing acceptance of coaching in the healthcare profession - 15:51The extent to which an individual clinician can address burnout - 24:49Reflections on how perfectionism creates overstressed physicians and how to change that - 34:04A discussion of Dr. Gizelle’s book Mindful MD and the six ways mindfulness can help physicians - 40:25In this episode, we discussed the Atul Gawande's 2011 Harvard Medical School commencement address, titled Cowboys and Pit Crews,  later published in the New Yorker. We also discuss the article Does Medicine Overemphasize IQ? by Ezekiel J. Emanuel &amp; Emily Gudbranson, originally published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.Gail Gazelle is the author of the book Mindful MD: Six Ways Mindfulness Restores your Autonomy and Cures Healthcare Burnout; you can download a free chapter at GailGazelle.com. She also authored the article The Slow Code: Should Anyone Rush to Its Defense? published in the New England Journal of Medicine, which we discussed in this episode.You can follow Dr. Gazelle on Twitter @GailGazelleMD.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

According to our guest on this episode, <a href="https://gailgazelle.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gail Gazelle, MD</a>, there has never been a more difficult time to be a doctor. Whether or not you agree with this statement, it's true that clinicians today are expected to see more patients in less time than ever before, spend hours on the electronic medical record, and manage countless administrative and organizational pressures. Dr. Gazelle is a physician coach who specializes in helping doctors build resilience and confidence in order to overcome burnout and rediscover joy in medicine. She is the author of the book <a href="https://gailgazelle.com/mindfulmd/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mindful MD: Six Ways Mindfulness Restores Your Autonomy and Cures Healthcare Burnout</a>. Over the course of our conversation, we discussed the psychological and organizational factors that contribute to burnout and what we can do to overcome them. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>What drew Dr. Gazelle into medicine and what eventually led her away from clinical practice - 1:58</li><li>The differences and similarities between coaching and therapy - 7:22</li><li>How much of coaching is about helping people change the narratives of their lives - 9:45</li><li>The kinds of people who seek Dr. Gazelle’s help - 14:18</li><li>The increasing acceptance of coaching in the healthcare profession - 15:51</li><li>The extent to which an individual clinician can address burnout - 24:49</li><li>Reflections on how perfectionism creates overstressed physicians and how to change that - 34:04</li><li>A discussion of Dr. Gizelle’s book Mindful MD and the six ways mindfulness can help physicians - 40:25</li></ul>In this episode, we discussed the Atul Gawande's 2011 Harvard Medical School commencement address, titled <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/cowboys-and-pit-crews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cowboys and Pit Crews</a>,  later published in the New Yorker. We also discuss the article <a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2671354" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Does Medicine Overemphasize IQ?</a> by Ezekiel J. Emanuel &amp; Emily Gudbranson, originally published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.Gail Gazelle is the author of the book <a href="https://gailgazelle.com/mindfulmd/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mindful MD: Six Ways Mindfulness Restores your Autonomy and Cures Healthcare Burnout</a>; you can download a free chapter at <a href="https://gailgazelle.com/mindfulmd/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GailGazelle.com</a>. She also authored the article <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199802123380712" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Slow Code: Should Anyone Rush to Its Defense?</a> published in the New England Journal of Medicine, which we discussed in this episode.You can follow Dr. Gazelle on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/GailGazelleMD" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@GailGazelleMD</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Resilience Against Burnout (with Dr. Gail Gazelle)

Kerry Egan

"All dying is a spiritual process," says our guest on this episode, hospice chaplain Kerry Egan. By this, she means that each person's death is more than just a biological event; it's an opportunity to reflect on the culmination of our human experiences, the lessons we’ve learned, and the impact we've had on others. The recognition of our impermanence prompts us to grapple with questions of legacy and purpose, infusing our mortal existence with depth and significance. Over the course of our conversation, Kerry describes how she became a chaplain, how she supports patients and other clinicians through difficult times, and the process of reconciling the strength of the human spirit with the limitations of the body.In this episode, you will hear about:An overview of hospice care and the role of the chaplain - 1:53The difference between hospital chaplaincy and hospice chaplaincy, and what led Kerry to this work - 7:15A discussion of the distinction between the person’s physical body and their intangible soul, consciousness, or spirit - 26:00How a chaplain offers spiritual counseling to clinicians in addition to patients - 32:51How years of being a chaplain has taught Kerry to love her own body - 34:20Why viewing the body as a machine and the physician as a mechanic leads to harm - 39:01Kerry’s advice to doctors for keeping compassion alive - 49:08Kerry Egan is the author of On Living, a memoir about her experiences as a hospice chaplain.You can follow Kerry Egan on Instagram @KerryEganWriter.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

"All dying is a spiritual process," says our guest on this episode, hospice chaplain <a href="https://www.prhspeakers.com/speaker/kerry-egan" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kerry Egan</a>. By this, she means that each person's death is more than just a biological event; it's an opportunity to reflect on the culmination of our human experiences, the lessons we’ve learned, and the impact we've had on others. The recognition of our impermanence prompts us to grapple with questions of legacy and purpose, infusing our mortal existence with depth and significance. Over the course of our conversation, Kerry describes how she became a chaplain, how she supports patients and other clinicians through difficult times, and the process of reconciling the strength of the human spirit with the limitations of the body. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>An overview of hospice care and the role of the chaplain - 1:53</li><li>The difference between hospital chaplaincy and hospice chaplaincy, and what led Kerry to this work - 7:15</li><li>A discussion of the distinction between the person’s physical body and their intangible soul, consciousness, or spirit - 26:00</li><li>How a chaplain offers spiritual counseling to clinicians in addition to patients - 32:51</li><li>How years of being a chaplain has taught Kerry to love her own body - 34:20</li><li>Why viewing the body as a machine and the physician as a mechanic leads to harm - 39:01</li><li>Kerry’s advice to doctors for keeping compassion alive - 49:08</li></ul>Kerry Egan is the author of <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/318935/on-living-by-kerry-egan/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">On Living</a>, a memoir about her experiences as a hospice chaplain.You can follow Kerry Egan on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/kerryeganwriter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@KerryEganWriter</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

The Spirit and the Body (with Kerry Egan)

David Weill

A lung transplant—taking some or all of one person's lungs and putting them into someone else, giving the recipient years of additional life—sounds nothing short of miraculous. Today, over 2500 lung transplants are performed every year in the US. Still, it's among the most medically and ethically complex areas of medicine. Joining us in this episode is David Weill, MD, former director of the Lung and Heart-Lung Transplant Center at Stanford Health Care. He is also the author of Exhale: Hope, Healing, and a Life in Transplant. Over the course of our conversation, we discuss the challenges of transplantation, including how we find suitable organs, transport them, and decide who gets them. Dr. Weill also shares the high-stakes human drama that accompanies each triumph and failure, why he eventually decided to leave the practice, and the importance of staying connected in the midst of suffering. In this episode, you will hear about:How Dr. Weill’s early experienced inspired him to pursue a career as a transplant pulmonologist - 2:14What a lung transplant entails - 5:51The risks of lung transplantation - 8:31Stories of successful and unsuccessful transplantations - 11:50Challenges of navigating difficult conversations with patients awaiting transplant - 15:53A discussion of the organ transplant selection process - 25:24Dr. Weill’s reflections on his transition out of medical practice and what it was like to face burnout - 38:46Advice on staying balanced and connected with patients, colleagues, and loved whens when dealing with suffering - 45:20Dr. Weill is the author of Exhale: Hope, Healing, and a Life in Transplant (2021).You can follow Dr. David Weill on Twitter @DavidWeillMD.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

A lung transplant—taking some or all of one person's lungs and putting them into someone else, giving the recipient years of additional life—sounds nothing short of miraculous. Today, over 2500 lung transplants are performed every year in the US. Still, it's among the most medically and ethically complex areas of medicine. Joining us in this episode is <a href="https://davidweillmd.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">David Weill, MD</a>, former director of the <a href="https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-clinics/lung-transplant-program.html#:~:text=At%20Stanford%20Health%20Care%2C%20our,kidney%2C%20and%20lung%2Dliver%20transplants" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lung and Heart-Lung Transplant Center at Stanford Health Care</a>. He is also the author of <a href="https://davidweillmd.com/exhale/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Exhale: Hope, Healing, and a Life in Transplant</a>. Over the course of our conversation, we discuss the challenges of transplantation, including how we find suitable organs, transport them, and decide who gets them. Dr. Weill also shares the high-stakes human drama that accompanies each triumph and failure, why he eventually decided to leave the practice, and the importance of staying connected in the midst of suffering.  In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>How Dr. Weill’s early experienced inspired him to pursue a career as a transplant pulmonologist - 2:14</li><li>What a lung transplant entails - 5:51</li><li>The risks of lung transplantation - 8:31</li><li>Stories of successful and unsuccessful transplantations - 11:50</li><li>Challenges of navigating difficult conversations with patients awaiting transplant - 15:53</li><li>A discussion of the organ transplant selection process - 25:24</li><li>Dr. Weill’s reflections on his transition out of medical practice and what it was like to face burnout - 38:46</li><li>Advice on staying balanced and connected with patients, colleagues, and loved whens when dealing with suffering - 45:20</li></ul>Dr. Weill is the author of <a href="https://davidweillmd.com/exhale/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Exhale: Hope, Healing, and a Life in Transplant</a> (2021).You can follow Dr. David Weill on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/davidweillmd" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@DavidWeillMD</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Life and Loss in Transplant (with Dr. David Weill)

Lisa Cooper

It’s no longer a surprise that the race and ethnicity of a patient influence their health outcomes. But back in the 1990s, when Lisa Cooper, MD first documented and published findings that supported the role of patient race on the quality of physician-patient interactions, these were groundbreaking, even radical ideas. Today, Dr. Cooper, a physician and social epidemiologist, is the Director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Equity and a Bloomberg Distinguished professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. She has designed innovative approaches to improve physician communication skills and the ability of healthcare organizations to address health disparities. She is a recipient of the MacArthur Fellowship and a member of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology. In this conversation, we discuss her international upbringing, implicit bias in medicine, what good physician-patient relationships look like, and how we can more effectively prepare doctors to create a more equitable future.In this episode, you will hear about:Dr. Cooper’s international upbringing and how an early understanding of privilege shaped her career path - 2:21How privilege can change based on community and culture, and how Dr. Cooper experienced this shift - 7:25The observations Dr. Cooper made early in her career that led her to study how race and class impacts health outcomes in America - 12:58Facing stereotypes in a culture that is not your culture of origin - 18:44How Dr. Cooper began her research on racial inequities in health and the findings from those initial studies - 26:48The unrecognized assumptions that doctors are taught to make when it comes to patient care - 32:56How physicians can learn to take better care of patients from all backgrounds - 38:36The current state of medical education around implicit bias training and racial disparities - 46:40Dr. Cooper’s advice to her younger self - 52:53Dr. Cooper is the author of several highly-regarded medical research papers; in this episode we discussed Race, Gender, and Partnership in the Patient-Physician Relationship (1999), published by Journal of the American Medical Association.You can follow Dr. Lisa Cooper on Twitter @LisaCooperMD.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

It’s no longer a surprise that the race and ethnicity of a patient influence their health outcomes. But back in the 1990s, when <a href="https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/profiles/details/lisa-cooper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lisa Cooper, MD</a> first documented and published findings that supported the role of patient race on the quality of physician-patient interactions, these were groundbreaking, even radical ideas. Today, Dr. Cooper, a physician and social epidemiologist, is the Director of the <a href="https://www.healthequityhub.com/lisa-cooper-profile-updates" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Johns Hopkins Center for Health Equity</a> and a <a href="https://publichealth.jhu.edu/faculty/1450/lisa-a-cooper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bloomberg Distinguished professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine</a>. She has designed innovative approaches to improve physician communication skills and the ability of healthcare organizations to address health disparities. She is a recipient of the MacArthur Fellowship and a member of the <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/pcast/members/lisa-a-cooper/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology</a>. In this conversation, we discuss her international upbringing, implicit bias in medicine, what good physician-patient relationships look like, and how we can more effectively prepare doctors to create a more equitable future. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>Dr. Cooper’s international upbringing and how an early understanding of privilege shaped her career path - 2:21</li><li>How privilege can change based on community and culture, and how Dr. Cooper experienced this shift - 7:25</li><li>The observations Dr. Cooper made early in her career that led her to study how race and class impacts health outcomes in America - 12:58</li><li>Facing stereotypes in a culture that is not your culture of origin - 18:44</li><li>How Dr. Cooper began her research on racial inequities in health and the findings from those initial studies - 26:48</li><li>The unrecognized assumptions that doctors are taught to make when it comes to patient care - 32:56</li><li>How physicians can learn to take better care of patients from all backgrounds - 38:36</li><li>The current state of medical education around implicit bias training and racial disparities - 46:40</li><li>Dr. Cooper’s advice to her younger self - 52:53</li></ul>Dr. Cooper is the author of several highly-regarded medical research papers; in this episode we discussed <a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/191132" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Race, Gender, and Partnership in the Patient-Physician Relationship</a> (1999), published by Journal of the American Medical Association.You can follow Dr. Lisa Cooper on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/LisaCooperMD" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@LisaCooperMD</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Addressing Healthcare Inequities Through Patient Relationships (with Dr. Lisa Cooper)

Though often invisible in our society, studies have shown that more than seven out of ten people experience trauma at some point in their lives, whether it's physical, sexual, or emotional abuse or a life-threatening accident or illness. In this episode, we speak with Bessel van der Kolk, MD, a psychiatrist and pioneering researcher on post-traumatic stress. His 2014 book, The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma, spent 27 weeks at the top of the New York Times bestseller list. He is the past president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies. Over the course of our conversation, we discuss why Dr. van der Kolk began studying trauma, the role of non-pharmaceutical methods in treating post-traumatic stress, how health care providers can overcome the psychological and emotional burden of encountering stressful situations in their practice, and how we can get back in touch with the irreducible human dimensions of love, belonging, and meaning through creativity, fellowship, self-expression, and imagination.In this episode, you will hear about:Why Dr. van der Kolk finds trauma a fascinating area of study - 2:16How Dr. van der Kolk views the emotional burden he carries from helping patients - 3:47A discussion of empathy and sympathy, and how they impact physicians dealing with patient suffering on a daily basis - 7:53Self-compassion: what does it look like and how do you cultivate it? - 14:10A discussion of trauma how it manifests physically and mentally - 19:22The difference between the “top-down” and “bottom-up” paradigms of coping with trauma and stress - 29:31How the complexities of trauma have been oversimplified repeatedly throughout history - 32:06Advice on cultivating a compassionate and sympathetic mindset for new physicians - 41:36How medical practitioners can safely process the trauma of medical training - 47:38Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Though often invisible in our society, studies have shown that more than seven out of ten people experience trauma at some point in their lives, whether it's physical, sexual, or emotional abuse or a life-threatening accident or illness. In this episode, we speak with <a href="https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bessel van der Kolk, MD</a>, a psychiatrist and pioneering researcher on post-traumatic stress. His 2014 book, <a href="https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/resources/the-body-keeps-the-score" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma</a>, spent 27 weeks at the top of the New York Times bestseller list. He is the past president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies. Over the course of our conversation, we discuss why Dr. van der Kolk began studying trauma, the role of non-pharmaceutical methods in treating post-traumatic stress, how health care providers can overcome the psychological and emotional burden of encountering stressful situations in their practice, and how we can get back in touch with the irreducible human dimensions of love, belonging, and meaning through creativity, fellowship, self-expression, and imagination. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>Why Dr. van der Kolk finds trauma a fascinating area of study - 2:16</li><li>How Dr. van der Kolk views the emotional burden he carries from helping patients - 3:47</li><li>A discussion of empathy and sympathy, and how they impact physicians dealing with patient suffering on a daily basis - 7:53</li><li>Self-compassion: what does it look like and how do you cultivate it? - 14:10</li><li>A discussion of trauma how it manifests physically and mentally - 19:22</li><li>The difference between the “top-down” and “bottom-up” paradigms of coping with trauma and stress - 29:31</li><li>How the complexities of trauma have been oversimplified repeatedly throughout history - 32:06</li><li>Advice on cultivating a compassionate and sympathetic mindset for new physicians - 41:36</li><li>How medical practitioners can safely process the trauma of medical training - 47:38</li></ul>Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Healing from Trauma (with Dr. Bessel van der Kolk)

Kelly McGonigal

We live in a culture that vilifies stress. Stress, we are told, is unhealthy both physiologically and emotionally, and something to be avoided at all costs. But Stanford University health psychologist Kelly McGonigal, PhD believes that by suppressing or ignoring it, we're missing out on the benefits of effective stress management. Kelly is also a bestselling author whose work focuses on the mind-body connection and the psychology of compassion and mindfulness. In this episode, Kelly shares the personal experiences that led her to this work, the myths and misconceptions surrounding stress, the role of physical movement in promoting our wellbeing, and how even busy physicians can find space for self-compassion.In this episode, you will hear about:The early life experiences that led Kelly into a career in psychology - 1:55What health psychology is - 3:50How physical health impacts mental and emotional wellbeing - 6:13Why many physicians find it difficult to maintain physical health - 11:58The behaviors that can make a big difference in one’s physical and mental wellbeing - 15:06How Kelly helps physicians provide care to their patients while holding space for the exhaustion and frustration that can come with this work - 25:50Common misconceptions about stress - 38:39The importance of self-compassion for those working in high-stakes fields like medicine - 43:00Advice to clinicians on better supporting patients going through stressful times - 55:48Dr. McGonigal is the author of several books, including The Willpower Instinct (2012), The Upside of Stress (2015), and The Joy of Movement (2019).Watch Dr. McGonigal’s popular TED talk on stress management.You can follow Dr. McGonigal on Twitter @KellyMcGonigal.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

We live in a culture that vilifies stress. Stress, we are told, is unhealthy both physiologically and emotionally, and something to be avoided at all costs. But Stanford University health psychologist <a href="http://kellymcgonigal.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kelly McGonigal, PhD</a> believes that by suppressing or ignoring it, we're missing out on the benefits of effective stress management. Kelly is also a bestselling author whose work focuses on the mind-body connection and the psychology of compassion and mindfulness. In this episode, Kelly shares the personal experiences that led her to this work, the myths and misconceptions surrounding stress, the role of physical movement in promoting our wellbeing, and how even busy physicians can find space for self-compassion. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>The early life experiences that led Kelly into a career in psychology - 1:55</li><li>What health psychology is - 3:50</li><li>How physical health impacts mental and emotional wellbeing - 6:13</li><li>Why many physicians find it difficult to maintain physical health - 11:58</li><li>The behaviors that can make a big difference in one’s physical and mental wellbeing - 15:06</li><li>How Kelly helps physicians provide care to their patients while holding space for the exhaustion and frustration that can come with this work - 25:50</li><li>Common misconceptions about stress - 38:39</li><li>The importance of self-compassion for those working in high-stakes fields like medicine - 43:00</li><li>Advice to clinicians on better supporting patients going through stressful times - 55:48</li></ul>Dr. McGonigal is the author of several <a href="http://kellymcgonigal.com/books" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">books</a>, including The Willpower Instinct (2012), The Upside of Stress (2015), and The Joy of Movement (2019).Watch Dr. McGonigal’s popular <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/kelly_mcgonigal_how_to_make_stress_your_friend/c?language=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TED talk</a> on stress management.You can follow Dr. McGonigal on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/kellymcgonigal" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@KellyMcGonigal</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Stress and the Mind-Body Connection (with Dr. Kelly McGonigal)

For over 50 years, the National Eye Institute (NEI) has been a driving force for cutting-edge vision research, education, and public health guidance. In this episode, we speak with Michael F. Chiang, MD, Director of the NEI. A pediatric ophthalmologist by training, Dr. Chiang's work focuses on the application of biomedical informatics to ophthalmology, in areas ranging from telehealth to artificial intelligence to health data management. Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Chiang describes the elegant intricacies of the human eye, shares what excites him most about digital health, discusses the urgent need for reformation in medical education, and shares his mission as the leader of the nation's foremost agency for promoting eye health.In this episode, you will hear about:Dr. Chiang’s upbringing in a family of engineers and eventual path found to ophthalmology - 2:22How the practice of ophthalmology is changing and the role of informatics in this change - 6:43What pediatric ophthalmology entails, and why this work inspires Dr. Chiang to this day - 10:39The mechanical intricacies of the human eye - 14:20Dr. Chiang’s reflections on how his education in engineering shapes the way he practices medicine - 18:03The importance of patient stories and how modern clinical practice leaves little time for them -  22:55How artificial intelligence is changing medicine and what that means for the future role of doctors - 25:55What excites Dr. Chiang most about the future of medicine, and what concerns him the most - 33:40Dr. Chiang’s vision for the National Eye Institute - 44:10Advice to young clinicians on lifelong curiosity and adaptiveness - 46:04In this episode, we discuss Marshall McLuhan’s aphorism “the medium is the message” and the subsequent work of Neil Postman on “medium as metaphor.”You can follow Dr. Chiang on Twitter @NEIDirector.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

For over 50 years, the <a href="https://magazine.medlineplus.gov/article/meet-the-director-dr-michael-chiang-national-eye-institute" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">National Eye Institute</a> (NEI) has been a driving force for cutting-edge vision research, education, and public health guidance. In this episode, we speak with <a href="https://www.nei.nih.gov/about/nei-leadership/michael-f-chiang-md" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Michael F. Chiang, MD</a>, Director of the <a href="https://magazine.medlineplus.gov/article/meet-the-director-dr-michael-chiang-national-eye-institute" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NEI</a>. A pediatric ophthalmologist by training, Dr. Chiang's work focuses on the application of biomedical informatics to ophthalmology, in areas ranging from telehealth to artificial intelligence to health data management. Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Chiang describes the elegant intricacies of the human eye, shares what excites him most about digital health, discusses the urgent need for reformation in medical education, and shares his mission as the leader of the nation's foremost agency for promoting eye health. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>Dr. Chiang’s upbringing in a family of engineers and eventual path found to ophthalmology - 2:22</li><li>How the practice of ophthalmology is changing and the role of informatics in this change - 6:43</li><li>What pediatric ophthalmology entails, and why this work inspires Dr. Chiang to this day - 10:39</li><li>The mechanical intricacies of the human eye - 14:20</li><li>Dr. Chiang’s reflections on how his education in engineering shapes the way he practices medicine - 18:03</li><li>The importance of patient stories and how modern clinical practice leaves little time for them -  22:55</li><li>How artificial intelligence is changing medicine and what that means for the future role of doctors - 25:55</li><li>What excites Dr. Chiang most about the future of medicine, and what concerns him the most - 33:40</li><li>Dr. Chiang’s vision for the National Eye Institute - 44:10</li><li>Advice to young clinicians on lifelong curiosity and adaptiveness - 46:04</li></ul>In this episode, we discuss <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Marshall McLuhan</a>’s aphorism “the medium is the message” and the subsequent work of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Postman" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Neil Postman</a> on “medium as metaphor.”You can follow Dr. Chiang on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/NEIDirector" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@NEIDirector</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Vision for the Future of Medicine (with Dr. Michael F. Chiang)

The practice of medicine–filled with moments of joy, suffering, grace, sorrow, and hope–offers a window into the human condition. Though serving as guides and companions to patients’ illness experiences is profoundly meaningful work, the busy nature of modern medicine can blind its own practitioners to the reasons they entered it in the first place. Join oncologist Tyler Johnson and medical trainee Henry Bair as they meet with doctors, patients, leaders, educators, and others in healthcare, to explore stories on finding and nourishing meaning in medicine. This podcast is for anyone striving for a deeper connection with their medical journey. Visit TheDoctorsArt.com for more information.

Dacher Keltner

Awe is a feeling we've all experienced but often struggle to articulate. Whether it's the sheer scale of a skyscraper, the infinite expanse of a starry night sky, or the miracle of childbirth, moments of awe can strike us at unexpected times, leaving us speechless, inspired, and even profoundly transformed. In this episode, we speak with Dacher Keltner, PhD, a psychologist at UC Berkeley, where he is the founding director of the Greater Good Science Center and the host of The Science of Happiness podcast. Keltner is a leading researcher on human emotion whose work focuses on the socio-biological origins and effects of compassion, beauty, power, morality, love, and social class. His most recent book is AWE: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life. In this episode, we discuss the eight sources of wonder in life, how we can nurture an openness to experiencing awe, and how this openness can help us navigate grief, uncertainty, loneliness, and mortality, ultimately allowing us to lead more meaningful lives.In this episode, you will hear about:How growing up in a family of artists and humanists led Dr. Keltner to psychology - 2:26What the scientific study of emotions looks like - 4:54How scientists grapple with the difficulty of defining and studying emotions and feelings - 8:20A discussion of Jonathan Haidt’s revolutionary study of morality, The Righteous Mind - 11:57How Dr. Keltner defines and studies awe and wonder - 14:39The Eight Wonders of Life - 27:31Awe, beauty, and the sublime - 36:16Reflections on how digital technologies have negatively impacted our ability to experience awe - 38:35Advice for how we can practice the experience of awe - 44:26How awe can help with human suffering and physician burnout - 46:39Dr. Dacher Keltner is the author of many books, including AWE: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life, The Power Paradox: How We Gain and Lose Influence, and Born to Be Good: The Science of a Meaningful Life.In this episode, we discuss Bertrand Russel’s Power: A New Social Analysis, Paul Ekman’s work on emotions and facial expressions, William James’ What is an Emotion?, Jonathan Haidt’s The Righteous Mind, Richard Lazarus’ “core relational themes,” Edmund Burke’s A Philosophical Enquiry into the Origin of Our Ideas of the Sublime and Beautiful, Daniel Kahneman’s Thinking, Fast and Slow, Anna Lembke’s Dopamine Nation, and Jean Twenge’s work on social media and self-focus.If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Awe is a feeling we've all experienced but often struggle to articulate. Whether it's the sheer scale of a skyscraper, the infinite expanse of a starry night sky, or the miracle of childbirth, moments of awe can strike us at unexpected times, leaving us speechless, inspired, and even profoundly transformed. In this episode, we speak with <a href="https://www.dacherkeltner.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dacher Keltner, PhD</a>, a psychologist at UC Berkeley, where he is the founding director of the <a href="https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/profile/dacher_keltner" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Greater Good Science Center</a> and the host of <a href="https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/podcasts/series/the_science_of_happiness%C2%A0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Science of Happiness podcast</a>. Keltner is a leading researcher on human emotion whose work focuses on the socio-biological origins and effects of compassion, beauty, power, morality, love, and social class. His most recent book is <a href="https://www.dacherkeltner.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">AWE: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life</a>. In this episode, we discuss the eight sources of wonder in life, how we can nurture an openness to experiencing awe, and how this openness can help us navigate grief, uncertainty, loneliness, and mortality, ultimately allowing us to lead more meaningful lives.In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>How growing up in a family of artists and humanists led Dr. Keltner to psychology - 2:26</li><li>What the scientific study of emotions looks like - 4:54</li><li>How scientists grapple with the difficulty of defining and studying emotions and feelings - 8:20</li><li>A discussion of Jonathan Haidt’s revolutionary study of morality, <a href="https://righteousmind.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Righteous Mind</a> - 11:57</li><li>How Dr. Keltner defines and studies awe and wonder - 14:39</li><li>The Eight Wonders of Life - 27:31</li><li>Awe, beauty, and the sublime - 36:16</li><li>Reflections on how digital technologies have negatively impacted our ability to experience awe - 38:35</li><li>Advice for how we can practice the experience of awe - 44:26</li><li>How awe can help with human suffering and physician burnout - 46:39</li></ul>Dr. Dacher Keltner is the author of many books, including <a href="https://www.dacherkeltner.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">AWE: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life</a>, <a href="https://www.dacherkeltner.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Power Paradox: How We Gain and Lose Influence</a>, and <a href="https://www.dacherkeltner.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Born to Be Good: The Science of a Meaningful Life</a>.In this episode, we discuss Bertrand Russel’s <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power:_A_New_Social_Analysis" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Power: A New Social Analysis</a>, <a href="https://www.paulekman.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Paul Ekman</a>’s work on emotions and facial expressions, William James’ <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/2246769" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">What is an Emotion?</a>, Jonathan Haidt’s <a href="https://righteousmind.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Righteous Mind</a>, Richard Lazarus’ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_relational_theme" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“core relational themes,”</a> Edmund Burke’s <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Philosophical_Enquiry_into_the_Origin_of_Our_Ideas_of_the_Sublime_and_Beautiful" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A Philosophical Enquiry into the Origin of Our Ideas of the Sublime and Beautiful</a>, Daniel Kahneman’s <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Thinking, Fast and Slow</a>, Anna Lembke’s <a href="https://www.annalembke.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dopamine Nation</a>, and <a href="https://www.jeantwenge.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jean Twenge</a>’s work on social media and self-focus.If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Everyday Wonder in Medicine and Beyond (with Dr. Dacher Keltner)

First used in the context of Vietnam war veterans, the term "moral injury" refers to the psychosocial, behavioral, and spiritual distress that comes from perpetuating or witnessing events that contradict deeply held moral beliefs. In recent years, moral injury has increasingly been used to describe one of the main challenges clinicians face in modern medicine — the challenge of knowing what care patients need but being unable to provide it due to constraints beyond the clinicians control, such as limited time or misaligned financial structures. Even more than emotional exhaustion and detachment, moral injury leads to profound shame and guilt. One of the leading voices addressing moral injury among health care workers is Wendy Dean, MD, a psychiatrist who has written widely on the issue, most recently in her book, If I Betray These Words: Moral Injury in Medicine and Why it's So Hard for Clinicians to Put Patients First. In this episode, Dr. Dean shares her own winding journey from orthopedic surgery to general surgery and finally to psychiatry, discusses where moral injury comes from and what it looks like, and explores what clinicians can do to address it.In this episode, you will hear about:Dr. Dean’s early explorations in medicine - 2:35How Dr. Dean’s desire to become a surgeon was deterred by gender discrimination - 5:12What led Dr. Dean to psychiatry, and then eventually out of clinical medicine entirely - 13:22A discussion of what moral injury is and why Dr. Dean began to study it - 18:03Examples of how moral injuries occur in the day-to-day of medical practice - 24:19How physicians and hospital administrators can address moral injury, citing as an example the court case of Raymond Brovont M.D. vs EmCare Holdings Inc - 38:57Dr. Dean’s advice for how navigate and push back against seemingly insurmountable bureaucracy - 42:22Moral Injury in Healthcare, the non-profit Dr. Dean founded - 47:39What setting personal and professional boundaries looks like in medicine - 53:04Dr. Dean’s advice to students and clinicians about fighting burnout - 57:37In this episode, we discuss Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character by Jonathan Shay, MD, PhD, and The Business of Health Care is Built on the Exploitation of Doctors and Nurses by Danielle Ofri, MD, PhD.Dr. Wendy Dean is the cohost of the Moral Matters podcast.You can follow Dr. Dean on Twitter @WDeanMD.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

First used in the context of Vietnam war veterans, the term "moral injury" refers to the psychosocial, behavioral, and spiritual distress that comes from perpetuating or witnessing events that contradict deeply held moral beliefs. In recent years, moral injury has increasingly been used to describe one of the main challenges clinicians face in modern medicine — the challenge of knowing what care patients need but being unable to provide it due to constraints beyond the clinicians control, such as limited time or misaligned financial structures. Even more than emotional exhaustion and detachment, moral injury leads to profound shame and guilt. One of the leading voices addressing moral injury among health care workers is <a href="https://wendydeanmd.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wendy Dean, MD</a>, a psychiatrist who has written widely on the issue, most recently in her book,<a href="https://www.fixmoralinjury.org/book" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> If I Betray These Words: Moral Injury in Medicine and Why it's So Hard for Clinicians to Put Patients First</a>. In this episode, Dr. Dean shares her own winding journey from orthopedic surgery to general surgery and finally to psychiatry, discusses where moral injury comes from and what it looks like, and explores what clinicians can do to address it. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>Dr. Dean’s early explorations in medicine - 2:35</li><li>How Dr. Dean’s desire to become a surgeon was deterred by gender discrimination - 5:12</li><li>What led Dr. Dean to psychiatry, and then eventually out of clinical medicine entirely - 13:22</li><li>A discussion of what moral injury is and why Dr. Dean began to study it - 18:03</li><li>Examples of how moral injuries occur in the day-to-day of medical practice - 24:19</li><li>How physicians and hospital administrators can address moral injury, citing as an example the court case of <a href="https://www.kcur.org/health/2020-10-13/appeals-court-restores-most-of-29m-verdict-to-er-doctor-who-complained-of-staffing-shortages" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Raymond Brovont M.D. vs EmCare Holdings Inc</a> - 38:57</li><li>Dr. Dean’s advice for how navigate and push back against seemingly insurmountable bureaucracy - 42:22</li><li><a href="https://www.fixmoralinjury.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Moral Injury in Healthcare</a>, the non-profit Dr. Dean founded - 47:39</li><li>What setting personal and professional boundaries looks like in medicine - 53:04</li><li>Dr. Dean’s advice to students and clinicians about fighting burnout - 57:37</li></ul>In this episode, we discuss <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=m__2F-C1ZP0C&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character</a> by Jonathan Shay, MD, PhD, and <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/opinion/sunday/hospitals-doctors-nurses-burnout.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Business of Health Care is Built on the Exploitation of Doctors and Nurses</a> by Danielle Ofri, MD, PhD.Dr. Wendy Dean is the cohost of the <a href="https://www.fixmoralinjury.org/podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Moral Matters</a> podcast.You can follow Dr. Dean on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/WDeanMD" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@WDeanMD</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Why It’s Hard to Put Patients First (with Dr. Wendy Dean)

Soumya Swaminathan

When COVID-19 rapidly emerged, the World Health Organization (WHO) was thrust into an unprecedented challenge. The global pandemic response was in disarray; health care resources were limited and inequitably distributed; and misinformation burgeoned. At the center of this maelstrom was Soumya Swaminathan, MD, who served as the WHO’s first Chief Scientist, from 2019 until 2022. Dr. Swaminathan not only spearheaded efforts to disseminate the latest scientific findings about the coronavirus and vaccine development, but also became one of the major public faces of the WHO. In this episode, we discuss Dr. Swaminathan's formative years becoming a pediatrician in India, specializing in treating children with tuberculosis and HIV, as well as the challenges she faced as a leader at the WHO in a time of eroding public trust.In this episode, you will hear about:Dr. Swaminathan’s experiences training to become a doctor in India - 2:05How Dr. Swaminathan discovered the balance between her interests in clinical medicine and research - 6:00Dr. Swaminathan’s reflections on the challenges of caring for children with tuberculosis and HIV - 9:38A discussion of global research funding disparity - 14:08How Dr. Swaminathan joined the WHO and eventually came to fill such a critical leadership role there - 19:04Dr. Swaminathan’s recollections of the arrival of COVID-19 from her perspective as the WHO’s first Chief Scientist - 21:28Lessons learned in health communication from the pandemic - 27:46The experience of being a lightning rod for online harassment and misinformation - 35:07Dr. Swaminathan’s advice to new clinicians who are considering pursuing a career in global health - 39:25You can follow Dr. Swaminathan on Twitter @DoctorSoumya.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

When COVID-19 rapidly emerged, the World Health Organization (WHO) was thrust into an unprecedented challenge. The global pandemic response was in disarray; health care resources were limited and inequitably distributed; and misinformation burgeoned. At the center of this maelstrom was <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soumya_Swaminathan" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Soumya Swaminathan, MD</a>, who served as the WHO’s first Chief Scientist, from 2019 until 2022. Dr. Swaminathan not only spearheaded efforts to disseminate the latest scientific findings about the coronavirus and vaccine development, but also became one of the major public faces of the WHO. In this episode, we discuss Dr. Swaminathan's formative years becoming a pediatrician in India, specializing in treating children with tuberculosis and HIV, as well as the challenges she faced as a leader at the WHO in a time of eroding public trust. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>Dr. Swaminathan’s experiences training to become a doctor in India - 2:05</li><li>How Dr. Swaminathan discovered the balance between her interests in clinical medicine and research - 6:00</li><li>Dr. Swaminathan’s reflections on the challenges of caring for children with tuberculosis and HIV - 9:38</li><li>A discussion of global research funding disparity - 14:08</li><li>How Dr. Swaminathan joined the WHO and eventually came to fill such a critical leadership role there - 19:04</li><li>Dr. Swaminathan’s recollections of the arrival of COVID-19 from her perspective as the WHO’s first Chief Scientist - 21:28</li><li>Lessons learned in health communication from the pandemic - 27:46</li><li>The experience of being a lightning rod for online harassment and misinformation - 35:07</li><li>Dr. Swaminathan’s advice to new clinicians who are considering pursuing a career in global health - 39:25</li></ul>You can follow Dr. Swaminathan on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/doctorsoumya" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@DoctorSoumya</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Leading Through Crisis at the WHO (with Dr. Soumya Swaminathan)

Sandeep Jauhar

Navigating the unforgiving hours and ethical challenges of medical training while holding onto humanism; the medical and cultural history of the human heart; the moving journey of a doctor as he wrestles with his duties as a son and caregiver for a father with dementia. These are just some of the diverse subject matters our guest in this episode, Dr. Sandeep Jauhar, has written about. Dr. Jauhar is the director of the Heart Failure Program at Long Island Jewish Medical Center and a multiple-time bestselling author whose writings have also appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and other publications. In the first half of our conversation, Dr. Jauhar shares his journey in medicine and struggles with burnout; while in the second half, we discuss his poignant experiences caring for his father, the subject of his most recent book, My Father's Brain: Life in the Shadow of Alzheimer's. In this episode, you will hear about:How Dr. Jauhar’s immigrant parents influenced his choice to pursue a career in medicine - 2:02Dr. Jauhar’s reflections on the role of indecisiveness in shaping his path to cardiology - 4:49A discussion of a doctor’s struggle against a corporate medical system that inflicts moral injury on physicians - 12:51Dr. Jauhar’s advice to physicians on ameliorating moral injury - 18:54Reflections on how Alzheimer’s disease affects the patient’s family, and an overview of Dr. Jauhar’s recent book My Father’s Brain - 25:10A discussion of therapeutic deception, also known as validation therapy, in which caregivers and loved ones are encouraged to “play along” with the distorted reality of a patient with dementia - 36:43The conflicts between Dr. Jauhar and his siblings concerning end-of-life care for his father - 43:18How the medical system needs to changed so that more support is given to dementia patients and their families - 49:05Dr. Sandeep Jauhar is the author of several best-selling nonfiction books: Intern: A Doctor’s Initiation, Doctored: The Disillusionment of an American Doctor, Heart, A History, and My Father's Brain: Life in the Shadow of Alzheimer'sDr. Jauhar also responds to medical students and residents on his blog Advice on Your First Year.You can follow Dr. Jauhar on Twitter @SJauhar.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Navigating the unforgiving hours and ethical challenges of medical training while holding onto humanism; the medical and cultural history of the human heart; the moving journey of a doctor as he wrestles with his duties as a son and caregiver for a father with dementia. These are just some of the diverse subject matters our guest in this episode, <a href="https://sandeepjauhar.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dr. Sandeep Jauhar</a>, has written about. Dr. Jauhar is the director of the Heart Failure Program at Long Island Jewish Medical Center and a multiple-time bestselling author whose writings have also appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and other publications. In the first half of our conversation, Dr. Jauhar shares his journey in medicine and struggles with burnout; while in the second half, we discuss his poignant experiences caring for his father, the subject of his most recent book, <a href="https://sandeepjauhar.com/my-fathers-brain/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">My Father's Brain: Life in the Shadow of Alzheimer's</a>.  In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>How Dr. Jauhar’s immigrant parents influenced his choice to pursue a career in medicine - 2:02</li><li>Dr. Jauhar’s reflections on the role of indecisiveness in shaping his path to cardiology - 4:49</li><li>A discussion of a doctor’s struggle against a corporate medical system that inflicts moral injury on physicians - 12:51</li><li>Dr. Jauhar’s advice to physicians on ameliorating moral injury - 18:54</li><li>Reflections on how Alzheimer’s disease affects the patient’s family, and an overview of Dr. Jauhar’s recent book <a href="https://sandeepjauhar.com/my-fathers-brain/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">My Father’s Brain</a> - 25:10</li><li>A discussion of therapeutic deception, also known as validation therapy, in which caregivers and loved ones are encouraged to “play along” with the distorted reality of a patient with dementia - 36:43</li><li>The conflicts between Dr. Jauhar and his siblings concerning end-of-life care for his father - 43:18</li><li>How the medical system needs to changed so that more support is given to dementia patients and their families - 49:05</li></ul>Dr. Sandeep Jauhar is the author of several best-selling nonfiction books: <a href="https://sandeepjauhar.com/intern/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Intern: A Doctor’s Initiation</a>, <a href="https://sandeepjauhar.com/doctored/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Doctored: The Disillusionment of an American Doctor</a>, <a href="https://sandeepjauhar.com/heart-a-history/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Heart, A History</a>, and <a href="https://sandeepjauhar.com/my-fathers-brain/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">My Father's Brain: Life in the Shadow of Alzheimer's</a>Dr. Jauhar also responds to medical students and residents on his blog <a href="https://sandeepjauhar.com/about-the-author/#firstyearadvice" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Advice on Your First Year</a>.You can follow Dr. Jauhar on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sjauhar" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SJauhar</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Navigating My Father's Alzheimer's as a Doctor (with Dr. Sandeep Jauhar)

Robert Waldinger

Since 1938, the Harvard Study of Adult Development has followed the lives of hundreds, and eventually thousands, of American adults, with the goal of discovering what enables people to live healthier, more meaningful lives. Joining us in this episode is Dr. Robert Waldinger, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and the current director of the study. He is the author of the book The Good Life: Lessons from the World's Longest Scientific Study of Happiness. Over the course of our conversation, we explore the origins and evolution of the study, what adult development actually means, whether happiness is a choice, how social media shapes our relationships, Dr. Waldinger's interests in Zen Buddhism, and the key to leading a fulfilling life.In this episode, you will hear about:What drew Dr. Waldinger to the field of psychiatry - 1:53Dr. Waldinger’s reflections on the work and daily practice of a psychiatrist - 3:31An overview of the Harvard Study of Adult Development, the longest running scientific study on happiness - 6:54The medical and psychosocial concepts of “adult development” - 9:49The most important and surprising findings of the Study of Adult Development - 16:20Why relationships are critical to health and happiness - 23:07How social media distorts reality and why it can be quite harmful to mental health - 29:37Whether happiness is a choice - 34:48The impact of Zen Buddhism on Dr. Waldinger’s life and work - 43:55Dr. Waldinger’s advice to clinicians on leading fulfilling careers - 50:02In this episode, we discuss the book Wherever You Go, There You Are, by Jon Kabat-Zinn.Dr. Robert Waldinger is the author of The Good Life.You can view Dr. Waldinger’s acclaimed TED Talk What Makes a Good Life.You can follow Dr. Waldinger on Twitter @RobertWaldinger.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Since 1938, the Harvard Study of Adult Development has followed the lives of hundreds, and eventually thousands, of American adults, with the goal of discovering what enables people to live healthier, more meaningful lives. Joining us in this episode is <a href="http://www.robertwaldinger.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dr. Robert Waldinger</a>, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and the current director of the study. He is the author of the book <a href="https://the-good-life-book.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Good Life: Lessons from the World's Longest Scientific Study of Happiness</a>. Over the course of our conversation, we explore the origins and evolution of the study, what adult development actually means, whether happiness is a choice, how social media shapes our relationships, Dr. Waldinger's interests in Zen Buddhism, and the key to leading a fulfilling life. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>What drew Dr. Waldinger to the field of psychiatry - 1:53</li><li>Dr. Waldinger’s reflections on the work and daily practice of a psychiatrist - 3:31</li><li>An overview of the Harvard Study of Adult Development, the longest running scientific study on happiness - 6:54</li><li>The medical and psychosocial concepts of “adult development” - 9:49</li><li>The most important and surprising findings of the Study of Adult Development - 16:20</li><li>Why relationships are critical to health and happiness - 23:07</li><li>How social media distorts reality and why it can be quite harmful to mental health - 29:37</li><li>Whether happiness is a choice - 34:48</li><li>The impact of Zen Buddhism on Dr. Waldinger’s life and work - 43:55</li><li>Dr. Waldinger’s advice to clinicians on leading fulfilling careers - 50:02</li></ul>In this episode, we discuss the book <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wherever_You_Go,_There_You_Are:_Mindfulness_Meditation_in_Everyday_Life" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wherever You Go, There You Are</a>, by Jon Kabat-Zinn.Dr. Robert Waldinger is the author of <a href="https://the-good-life-book.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Good Life</a>.You can view Dr. Waldinger’s acclaimed TED Talk <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/robert_waldinger_what_makes_a_good_life_lessons_from_the_longest_study_on_happiness/c" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">What Makes a Good Life</a>.You can follow Dr. Waldinger on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/robertwaldinger?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@RobertWaldinger</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Evidence-Based Lessons on Living a Good Life (with Dr. Robert Waldinger)

When we hear about people with cancer, the stories often end when the treatments end—either the battle has been won and the cancer cured, or in more tragic circumstances, the cancer takes the patient's life. But for patients who survive, that's not where the story ends. Cancer has fundamentally transformed their lives. How are they to make sense of the existentially threatening experience they have gone through? That's where cancer survivorship comes in. Joining us in this episode is Dr. Tara Sanft, director of the survivorship clinic at Yale Cancer Center, where she helps patients thrive after cancer. Dr. Sanft is also a breast oncologist and the Chief Patient Experience Officer at Smilow Cancer Hospital. In this episode, we discuss the importance of cancer survivorship, how Dr. Sanft navigates the emotional challenges of her work, and what all clinicians can do to better support patients through difficult times.In this episode, you will hear about:How the death of a family member influenced Dr. Sanft’s decision to go into medicine - 2:04Why Dr. Sanft’s decided to focus on palliative care - 6:02Reflections on how communication and building relationships are key to palliative care - 14:20A discussion of cultivating sacred moments in medicine - 19:53The purpose of a cancer survivorship clinic - 26:02A discussion of the most challenging aspects of Dr. Sanft’s practice - 33:35How Dr. Sanft shoulders the emotional toll of her work - 36:30Dr. Sanft’s duties as the Chief Patient Experience Officer at her hospital - 40:25How to create culture change in medicine - 43:17Dr. Sanft’s advice to clinicians on how to better foster self-compassion and create effective healthcare teams - 48:18You can follow Tara Sanft on Twitter @TaraSanftMD.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

When we hear about people with cancer, the stories often end when the treatments end—either the battle has been won and the cancer cured, or in more tragic circumstances, the cancer takes the patient's life. But for patients who survive, that's not where the story ends. Cancer has fundamentally transformed their lives. How are they to make sense of the existentially threatening experience they have gone through? That's where cancer survivorship comes in. Joining us in this episode is <a href="https://medicine.yale.edu/profile/tara-sanft/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dr. Tara Sanft</a>, director of the survivorship clinic at Yale Cancer Center, where she helps patients thrive after cancer. Dr. Sanft is also a breast oncologist and the Chief Patient Experience Officer at <a href="https://www.ynhh.org/smilow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Smilow Cancer Hospital</a>. In this episode, we discuss the importance of cancer survivorship, how Dr. Sanft navigates the emotional challenges of her work, and what all clinicians can do to better support patients through difficult times. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>How the death of a family member influenced Dr. Sanft’s decision to go into medicine - 2:04</li><li>Why Dr. Sanft’s decided to focus on palliative care - 6:02</li><li>Reflections on how communication and building relationships are key to palliative care - 14:20</li><li>A discussion of cultivating sacred moments in medicine - 19:53</li><li>The purpose of a cancer survivorship clinic - 26:02</li><li>A discussion of the most challenging aspects of Dr. Sanft’s practice - 33:35</li><li>How Dr. Sanft shoulders the emotional toll of her work - 36:30</li><li>Dr. Sanft’s duties as the Chief Patient Experience Officer at her hospital - 40:25</li><li>How to create culture change in medicine - 43:17</li><li>Dr. Sanft’s advice to clinicians on how to better foster self-compassion and create effective healthcare teams - 48:18</li></ul>You can follow Tara Sanft on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/tarasanftmd" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@TaraSanftMD</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Thriving After Cancer (with Dr. Tara Sanft)

Judith Shulevitz

In the Judeo-Christian tradition, the Sabbath is a day of rest during the week. Our guest in this episode, Judith Shulevitz, is a journalist and literary critic who has thought deeply about what the secular world can learn about meaningful rest from the practice of the Sabbath. In her book The Sabbath World: Glimpses of a Different Order of Time, she explores how, despite our culture of workaholism, we can still discover the restorative joy of rest, reflection, and family. Shulevitz is also a regular contributor to the New York Times and the Atlantic, and is the chief science writer of the New Republic. Over the course of our conversation, we discuss the origins of the Sabbath, the ideals this tradition can bring back for the individual and community, and how clinicians can create space for purposeful rest amid their busy lives.In this episode, you will hear about:What drew Shulevitz towards re-engaging with her Jewish faith as an adult - 2:50What observing the Sabbath looks like in a traditional Jewish household - 5:20An exploration of the idea of a “secular Sabbath” and what it could mean for the modern world - 10:33The relentless culture of medical residency training and the factors contributing to it - 13:00How medical training affects physicians’ sense of community - 36:37Shulevitz’ advice to those with very busy schedules on how to make space for purposeful rest in their lives - 38:52Reflections on the need for physicians to process the extremes of emotion and suffering they encounter - 47:36Why it is critical to be present in the real world during times of rest - 50:45Judith Shulevitz is the author of The Sabbath World: Glimpses of a Different Order of Time.You can follow Judith Shulevitz on Twitter @JudithShulevitz.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.

In the Judeo-Christian tradition, the Sabbath is a day of rest during the week. Our guest in this episode, <a href="https://www.judithshulevitz.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Judith Shulevitz</a>, is a journalist and literary critic who has thought deeply about what the secular world can learn about meaningful rest from the practice of the Sabbath. In her book <a href="https://www.judithshulevitz.com/book/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Sabbath World: Glimpses of a Different Order of Time</a>, she explores how, despite our culture of workaholism, we can still discover the restorative joy of rest, reflection, and family. Shulevitz is also a regular contributor to the New York Times and the Atlantic, and is the chief science writer of the New Republic. Over the course of our conversation, we discuss the origins of the Sabbath, the ideals this tradition can bring back for the individual and community, and how clinicians can create space for purposeful rest amid their busy lives. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>What drew Shulevitz towards re-engaging with her Jewish faith as an adult - 2:50</li><li>What observing the Sabbath looks like in a traditional Jewish household - 5:20</li><li>An exploration of the idea of a “secular Sabbath” and what it could mean for the modern world - 10:33</li><li>The relentless culture of medical residency training and the factors contributing to it - 13:00</li><li>How medical training affects physicians’ sense of community - 36:37</li><li>Shulevitz’ advice to those with very busy schedules on how to make space for purposeful rest in their lives - 38:52</li><li>Reflections on the need for physicians to process the extremes of emotion and suffering they encounter - 47:36</li><li>Why it is critical to be present in the real world during times of rest - 50:45</li></ul>Judith Shulevitz is the author of <a href="https://www.judithshulevitz.com/book/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Sabbath World: Glimpses of a Different Order of Time</a>.You can follow Judith Shulevitz on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/JudithShulevitz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@JudithShulevitz</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.

A Space for Purposeful Rest (with Judith Shulevitz)

Eric Reinhart

We are joined in this episode by Dr. Eric Reinhart, an anthropologist, psychoanalyst, and psychiatry resident at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine. While Dr. Reinhart is the first resident-in-training we've had on this program, his path has been far from straightforward. Prior to residency, Dr. Reinhart conducted ethnographic work in Chicago's South Side, India, South Africa, and migrant communities in Southern Europe. Through this research, he addresses the multifaceted effects of poverty and social inequities on community health. In this conversation, we discuss how he applies his anthropology training to create culturally sensitive systemic changes and how healthcare providers can play a more active role in engaging with their communities.In this episode, you will hear about:How having a deaf brother led Dr. Reinhart to medicine - 1:54Dr. Reinhart’s observations of the disconnect between the ideals he heard in medical school and the reality of how profit-driven hospitals operate - 5:59Why Dr. Reinhart pursued a study in anthropology to learn how to address contemporary social ills - 12:46How a case study of drug-resistant tuberculosis in Russian prisons informed Dr. Reinhart’s evaluation of pandemics - 19:37What drew Dr. Reinhart to psychoanalysis and psychiatry, and how he applies them to his field studies - 26:41A discussion of the power structures inherent to medico-social field work and how to properly determine what a community needs - 32:04Advice on how doctors and medical trainees can become empowered to help change the systems they work in - 41:21How Dr. Reinhart hopes to apply his experiences to improve community-based care - 48:42You can follow Dr. Eric Reinhart on Twitter @_Eric_Reinhart.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

We are joined in this episode by <a href="https://scholar.harvard.edu/reinhart/home" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dr. Eric Reinhart</a>, an anthropologist, psychoanalyst, and psychiatry resident at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine. While Dr. Reinhart is the first resident-in-training we've had on this program, his path has been far from straightforward. Prior to residency, Dr. Reinhart conducted ethnographic work in Chicago's South Side, India, South Africa, and migrant communities in Southern Europe. Through this research, he addresses the multifaceted effects of poverty and social inequities on community health. In this conversation, we discuss how he applies his anthropology training to create culturally sensitive systemic changes and how healthcare providers can play a more active role in engaging with their communities. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>How having a deaf brother led Dr. Reinhart to medicine - 1:54</li><li>Dr. Reinhart’s observations of the disconnect between the ideals he heard in medical school and the reality of how profit-driven hospitals operate - 5:59</li><li>Why Dr. Reinhart pursued a study in anthropology to learn how to address contemporary social ills - 12:46</li><li>How a case study of drug-resistant tuberculosis in Russian prisons informed Dr. Reinhart’s evaluation of pandemics - 19:37</li><li>What drew Dr. Reinhart to psychoanalysis and psychiatry, and how he applies them to his field studies - 26:41</li><li>A discussion of the power structures inherent to medico-social field work and how to properly determine what a community needs - 32:04</li><li>Advice on how doctors and medical trainees can become empowered to help change the systems they work in - 41:21</li><li>How Dr. Reinhart hopes to apply his experiences to improve community-based care - 48:42</li></ul>You can follow Dr. Eric Reinhart on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/_Eric_Reinhart" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@_Eric_Reinhart</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Anthropology and Medicine from the Bottom Up (with Dr. Eric Reinhart)

Pooja Lakshmin

The wellness industry saturates our cultural consciousness, with juice cleanses, organic skincare, and spa retreats flooding our social media feeds. But what does this plethora of dazzling — and often-expensive — lifestyle products all amount to? Not much, argues Dr. Pooja Lakshmin, a psychiatrist who specializes in women's mental health and clinical assistant professor at George Washington University School of Medicine. As she writes, "our understanding of self-care and wellness is incomplete at best and manipulative at worst. We cannot meditate our way out of a 40 hour workweek without childcare. These wellness products keep us looking outward, comparing ourselves with others or striving for perfection." She details her ideas for achieving true wellness in her recently released book, Real Self-Care: A Transformative Program for Redefining Wellness. In this episode, Dr. Lakshmin joins us to discuss how she overcame her own struggles working in medicine and details practical strategies for real self-care, which, in her words, "isn't a thing to do or buy, but a way to be." In this episode, you will hear about:How Dr. Lakshmin’s rocky initial foray into medicine led her a career in psychiatry - 2:15Dr. Lakshmin’s disillusionment with medicine, her two years away from the profession, and what she learned from immersing herself in the wellness industry - 5:34Reflections on the state of the wellness industry - 10:42An overview of Dr. Lakshmin’s book Real Self-Care and what real self-care looks like - 15:52A deeper dive into the first principle of real self-care: boundary setting - 18:47A discussion of how the American healthcare system often exploits doctors and nurses - 24:25The second principle of real self-care: self-compassion - 32:08The third principle of real self-care: knowing your values - 38:44The fourth principle of real self-care: empower oneself to create change - 45:09Dr. Lakshmin’s advice on getting control of your self-care journey - 50:43In this episode, we discussed the essay The Business of Healthcare Depends on Exploiting Doctors and Nurses by Dr. Danielle Ofri, published in the New York Times.We also discussed Dr. Lakshmin’s article How Society Turned its Back on Mothers, published in the New York Times.Dr. Pooja Lakshmin is the founder and CEO of GEMMA, a women’s mental healthcare education community focused on impact and equity.You can follow Dr. Pooja Lakshmin on Twitter @PoojaLakshmin.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

The wellness industry saturates our cultural consciousness, with juice cleanses, organic skincare, and spa retreats flooding our social media feeds. But what does this plethora of dazzling — and often-expensive — lifestyle products all amount to? Not much, argues <a href="https://www.poojalakshmin.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dr. Pooja Lakshmin</a>, a psychiatrist who specializes in women's mental health and clinical assistant professor at George Washington University School of Medicine. As she writes, "our understanding of self-care and wellness is incomplete at best and manipulative at worst. We cannot meditate our way out of a 40 hour workweek without childcare. These wellness products keep us looking outward, comparing ourselves with others or striving for perfection." She details her ideas for achieving true wellness in her recently released book, <a href="https://www.poojalakshmin.com/realselfcare" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Real Self-Care: A Transformative Program for Redefining Wellness</a>. In this episode, Dr. Lakshmin joins us to discuss how she overcame her own struggles working in medicine and details practical strategies for real self-care, which, in her words, "isn't a thing to do or buy, but a way to be."  In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>How Dr. Lakshmin’s rocky initial foray into medicine led her a career in psychiatry - 2:15</li><li>Dr. Lakshmin’s disillusionment with medicine, her two years away from the profession, and what she learned from immersing herself in the wellness industry - 5:34</li><li>Reflections on the state of the wellness industry - 10:42</li><li>An overview of Dr. Lakshmin’s book <a href="https://www.poojalakshmin.com/realselfcare" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Real Self-Care</a> and what real self-care looks like - 15:52</li><li>A deeper dive into the first principle of real self-care: boundary setting - 18:47</li><li>A discussion of how the American healthcare system often exploits doctors and nurses - 24:25</li><li>The second principle of real self-care: self-compassion - 32:08</li><li>The third principle of real self-care: knowing your values - 38:44</li><li>The fourth principle of real self-care: empower oneself to create change - 45:09</li><li>Dr. Lakshmin’s advice on getting control of your self-care journey - 50:43</li></ul>In this episode, we discussed the essay <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/opinion/sunday/hospitals-doctors-nurses-burnout.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Business of Healthcare Depends on Exploiting Doctors and Nurses</a> by Dr. Danielle Ofri, published in the New York Times.We also discussed Dr. Lakshmin’s article <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/parenting/working-mom-burnout-coronavirus.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">How Society Turned its Back on Mothers</a>, published in the New York Times.Dr. Pooja Lakshmin is the founder and CEO of <a href="https://www.gemmawomen.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GEMMA</a>, a women’s mental healthcare education community focused on impact and equity.You can follow Dr. Pooja Lakshmin on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/PoojaLakshmin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@PoojaLakshmin</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Self-Care, the Right Way (with Dr. Pooja Lakshmin)

Approximately 1 in 700 babies in the United States are born with Down Syndrome. Yet, despite how common this condition is for people, we don’t often have the chance to hear their stories. In this episode, we are joined by Dashiell Meier, a young aspiring filmmaker and disability advocate who has Down Syndrome. Over the course of our conversation, we have the wonderful opportunity to explore how Dashiell sees the world as he reflects upon the stereotypes that society holds against people with disabilities, discusses what makes his favorite doctors stand out, shares his passion for storytelling, and offers advice to clinicians on how to better connect with patients who have disabilities.In this episode, you will hear about:How Dashiell currently helps Stanford medical students learn to communicate with patients with disabilities - 1:47Dashiell’s academic interests and career aspirations in the entertainment world - 3:22Dashiell’s interactions with doctors and what makes his favorites stand out - 5:22A discussion of the stereotypes that people with Down Syndrome face - 7:42What Dashiell wishes people knew about Down Syndrome - 11:00The movement for people with disabilities that Dashiell is spearheading, and what he hopes to achieve through it - 19:10Advice on building good relationships with people who have disabilities - 27:00The projects Dashiell intends to create as a filmmaker - 32:04How to develop greater empathy for people with disabilities - 34:46Advice to new clinicians and trainees on how best to interact with patients with disabilities - 37:10You can follow Dashiell’s film and video projects on his YouTube channel. You can also follow him on Twitter @DashiellMeier.Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com.Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Approximately 1 in 700 babies in the United States are born with <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/downsyndrome.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Down Syndrome</a>. Yet, despite how common this condition is for people, we don’t often have the chance to hear their stories. In this episode, we are joined by <a href="https://100yarddashiell.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dashiell Meier</a>, a young aspiring filmmaker and disability advocate who has Down Syndrome. Over the course of our conversation, we have the wonderful opportunity to explore how Dashiell sees the world as he reflects upon the stereotypes that society holds against people with disabilities, discusses what makes his favorite doctors stand out, shares his passion for storytelling, and offers advice to clinicians on how to better connect with patients who have disabilities. In this episode, you will hear about:<ul><li>How Dashiell currently helps Stanford medical students learn to communicate with patients with disabilities - 1:47</li><li>Dashiell’s academic interests and career aspirations in the entertainment world - 3:22</li><li>Dashiell’s interactions with doctors and what makes his favorites stand out - 5:22</li><li>A discussion of the stereotypes that people with Down Syndrome face - 7:42</li><li>What Dashiell wishes people knew about Down Syndrome - 11:00</li><li>The movement for people with disabilities that Dashiell is spearheading, and what he hopes to achieve through it - 19:10</li><li>Advice on building good relationships with people who have disabilities - 27:00</li><li>The projects Dashiell intends to create as a filmmaker - 32:04</li><li>How to develop greater empathy for people with disabilities - 34:46</li><li>Advice to new clinicians and trainees on how best to interact with patients with disabilities - 37:10</li></ul>You can follow Dashiell’s film and video projects on his <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd1T2x4i0-gk8-C1iXrou_A" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">YouTube channel</a>. You can also follow him on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/DashiellMeier" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@DashiellMeier</a>.Visit our website <a href="http://www.thedoctorsart.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TheDoctorsArt.com</a> where you can find transcripts of all episodes.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review our show, available for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you know of a doctor, patient, or anyone working in health care who would love to explore meaning in medicine with us on the show, feel free to leave a suggestion in the comments or send an email to info@thedoctorsart.com. Copyright The Doctor’s Art Podcast 2023

Seeing Beyond Disability (with Dashiell Meier)

The practice of medicine–filled with moments of joy, suffering, grace, sorrow, and hope–offers a window into the human condition. Though serving as guides and companions to patients’ illness experiences is profoundly meaningful work, the busy nature of modern medicine can blind its own practitioners to the reasons they entered it in the first place. Join oncologist Tyler Johnson and medical trainee Henry Bair as they meet with doctors, patients, leaders, educators, and others in healthcare, to explore stories on finding and nourishing meaning in medicine. This podcast is for anyone striving for a deeper connection with their medical journey. Visit <a href="http://TheDoctorsArt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TheDoctorsArt.com</a> for more information.

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