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Dry January? What's up with that?And on another note, Nicolette Niman, the author of DEFENDING BEEF.We're Bruce Weinstein and Mark Scarbrough. We've written three dozen cookbooks. This is our podcast about food and cooking, in which we banter about the latest food topics and interview some of the top food leaders of our day.Join us for this episode of COOKING WITH BRUCE &amp; MARK to find out the latest. Here are the segments of this episode:[01:09]	Our thoughts on dry January--what is it, why is it, and what's the problem?[13:51]	Our one-minute cooking tip: Pull out your waffle iron.[15:14]	Bruce interviews rancher and food advocate Nicolette Hahn Niman about her book DEFENDING BEEF.[39:18]	What's making us happy in food this week? Sumo oranges and Sri Lankan curry![00:00:00] Bruce: Hey, I am Bruce Weinstein and this is the Podcast Cooking with Bruce and Mark. [00:00:05] Mark: And I'm Mark Scarborough. And together with Bruce, uh, we have written, you hear this all the time, probably three dozen cookbooks. I don't know a lot, including the Instant Pot Bible and the Essential Air Fryer Cookbook, uh, book written so that every single recipe is sized out. Either appliance in the Instant Pot Bible, every recipe is sized out for every size of Instant Pot. And in the Essential Air Fryer Cookbook, every recipe is sized out for every size of air fryer on the,[00:00:39] Bruce: we love air fryers, we love air fryers,[00:00:42] Mark: uh, we love all these appliance gadgets apparently, but we're not talking about any of that really.Mm-hmm. . Podcast, although we are talking about a gadget, which is coming up , we're gonna actually talk about this concept of dry January and how it started and what's going on with it. We got our one minute cooking dip. We have a great interview coming up and we're gonna talk about what's making us happy in. Food this week. So let's get started.[00:01:09] Bruce: Dry January. Well, the concept originated in the UK in 2013 and it's, [00:01:14] Mark: how couldn't the people who invented gin invent dry January? That doesn't make any sick. [00:01:19] Bruce: Yeah, these are all the people that invented warm beer.[00:01:21] Mark: So, you know, that's fighting words with the Danes and the regions and who invented gin Them are fighting words. Okay. [00:01:28] Bruce: But the, but they did invent warm beer and so that's disgust. So a nonprofit in the,[00:01:33] Mark: I'm gonna tell you that that's fighting words with the Germans, but go on , [00:01:37] Bruce: a nonprofit in the UK called Alcohol Change UK started the concept of dry January in 2013 with a goal of raising money. And I'm not sure how dry January and raising money happened, but that was a, you probably had to sign into something, but they did it to raise money for alcohol abuse awareness and treatment of. Very good cause. [00:01:59] Mark: Yeah. And a lot of people choose to take part in Dry in January as way to simply drink less or reset for a month or two after all the holidays. And let me tell you, oh, I know the holidays, [00:02:07] Bruce: man. [00:02:07] Mark: Oh man. Let me tell you that I drank like a fish over the holidays with Bruce's family and my family. I mean, Bruce says that one point that. Uh, my brother-in-law and I, Bruce's sister's husband and I, at one point we were just like two drunk old men in a bar sitting at a table saying, oh, I have another glass. [00:02:23] Bruce: You were was, and then we came home for New Year's Eve and we drank. We were with friends and all of us drank a case of champagne, which was really nice.[00:02:31] Mark: Not. Quite a case, but Okay. Okay. Seven bottles. Seven bottles for five people. It was, it's a lot. It was really headache time. Mm-hmm. and, uh, you know, a lot of people want to, uh, reset, uh, listen, I'm doing this too. Wanna reset after the holidays. Mm-hmm. I don't know that I'm doing particularly dry January bed. I certainly am very conscious now of cutting way back here. I'm doing a [00:02:52] Bruce: dryer January. How. I dry January. I'm only objecting a few times.[00:02:55] Mark: According to the American Art Association, a 2022 national survey, and I assume that this is in the United States, showed that upwards of 35% of American adults of legal drinking age did in fact try out dry January last year. Now that that's huge. That's huge. I wonder how many of that 35%, um, made it to the end of January. [00:03:17] Bruce: They, they didn't report that. They only wanted to know how many people attempted to do this.[00:03:20] Mark: And, and also I have to tell you, I'm being now the skeptical PhD student that I once was. When I look at this, Upwards of 35% because 1% is upwards of 35%. So I don't know exactly what upwards of 35% means. Well, that, [00:03:38] Bruce: God, that reminds me that Simpson's episode where Lisa Simpson is out on some tour of some factory and a woman's like a percentage to all of our profits go to Saving Wildlife. And Lisa's like, what percentage? And the woman's like 0 is a % . [00:03:50] Mark: Yes, exactly. That's exactly my point here. You know, I don't know what that means, but I do know that dry January, Thing. And I do see it on social media, I see it on TikTok, I see it on Instagram. I see people engaging with the practice, and it's really not [00:04:06] Bruce: a bad practice. It's not an Annahad O'Connor is a health columnist for the Washington Post, and what is reported there is that people see tangible benefits of not drinking for the month. Everything from saving money to having more energy, to sleeping better, and saving money. Huge thing. [00:04:23] Mark: It is. Alcohol is expensive. [00:04:26] Bruce: It is. I think it's a luxury.[00:04:28] Mark: Um, it might be a luxury. I mean, yes, I know that there is very cheap alcohol and cheap wine available. Okay, good. Alcohol's a luxury then. Well, I, yeah, and, and I'm, and I hope because I do this, you're not talking $90 bottles of bourbon. $35 bottles of bourbon. That's a luxury. It's a luxury. And it's expensive. And yes, it's better than the $8 bourbon because I drink bourbon straight with just a little water in it. So I'm not mixing it in a cocktail. Mixing it. Cocktail to me is a whole different game. It is. You at that point. Now listen, Bruce has this theory, wait before Bruce is gonna say something, but I wanna say Bruce has this Thing. He always says that no amount of fruit juice can cover up the taste of bad alcohol [00:05:12] Bruce: because bad alcohol is bad alcohol. And despite the fact that ethanol is ethanol the part that gets you drunk, right? But there's only 40% of that in an 80 proof bottle of vodka. So 60% of it is other stuff. Right.And that other stuff is what makes it taste bad, but in terms of it being a luxury and saving money, whether this burn, yeah, exactly. So the luxury part, think about even if you just drink a bottle of beer a night, let's say you do that and it's, and it's an inexpensive beer. Let's say you paid a dollar 50 for that bottle of beer, okay?A night that's 365 times a dollar 50. Well, I don't have the calculator right in my hand, but that's upwards of 400 $8,500 right there just for one. Bottle of beer. So now if you drink a bottle of wine a night, or if you have other cocktails, drinking can be expensive. So I do see the benefit of saving some money as well as getting some better sleep.[00:06:07] Mark: Yes. And the American Art Association also points out that there are short term benefits from Epstein, from alcohol, and they include lower blood pressure. Because here's the thing, and you probably know this already, if you drink that, alcohol actually lowers your blood pressure at the start. Of when you're drinking, but then because it so dehydrates you and because of other factors involved, your blood pressure actually goes up dramatically after you've drunk. So there's an initial lowering of blood pressure and then there's a spike, uh, several hours later. You might know this if you've drunk a little too much and wake up in the middle of the night with your heart racing. It's that problem of the blood pressure is. Up because you're coming kind of on the backside of the alcohol intake, and of course there are improvements with insulin resistance, weight loss, sleep. I mean, listen, [00:07:02] Bruce: oh, weight loss again, let's go back to that dollar 50 bottle of beer. It's about 200 calories. So even over the 30 days, so. 200 times 30, we're talking about 6,000 calories. Right. That's a lot of calories you saved [00:07:16] Mark: that month. That's right. And uh, listen, there are a lot of reasons to get back on alcohol intake, but you know what? You can do dry January without, as Bruce has already said, without doing dry January, you can do dry urine. Mm-hmm. , [00:07:27] Bruce: that's what I'm doing January. And I do like that some of the big alcohol brands say they're getting behind this and they're supporting this, which is really nice, except I don't believe. Tito's made a huge, big marketing campaign that, oh, we are getting behind dry January in there. I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling through Facebook videos the other day and I see this ad pop up with Martha Stewart and she's got Tito's vodka and she's talking about dry January. What should I do with all this Tito's vodka? So she puts it in a spray bottle and she's cleaning her counters with it. She gimme a braid. She miss her plants with it, but then as she's missing it, she's licking the air and then she a braid at the very end. She looks at the camera and she says, oh, Martha needs a martini. [00:08:10] Mark: Yeah. In other words, they're making fun of dry January.[00:08:13] Bruce: Yeah, they were and dry. That really irritated me. [00:08:15] Mark: It does irritate me. I think that drier January is really a great idea. I don't know that dry January is necessary for everybody listening. If you have an issue with alcohol, of course, dry January is a fabulous way to figure out your problem with alcohol. Here's what I think, and here's what I really think is important for January to make drier January work for you is be very conscious about drinking. And I find, and I know this is very silly and you're going to think I'm insane, but I find it's really. Interesting to say out aloud, not just in your head aloud, I'm having a drink. Every time you have a drink, it reminds you, even if you know, okay, like let's say I pour myself a bourbon and then I want a little more to say out loud, I'm having a drink on that second poor actually helps me reduce the poor. And it actually helps me kind of pull back and think, wait, do I really need another drink? Be conscious, yeah. Of your drinking. [00:09:17] Bruce: Be conscious. And also use a measuring cup. Use a jigger so you know how much you're drinking. When we freehand it, we tend to always give ourselves a little more than we might want, so there are ways to cut down on this. And the other thing is cold Turkey isn't. Always right for everyone. No. So if you're considering doing this now, even though January's almost over, talk to your doctor if you think it might be a problem going cold Turkey. [00:09:40] Mark: Right? That's what prohibition doesn't work. No. How long things doesn't work? I mean, saying you can't do something just doesn't work because your psyche will eventually snap back to say, no, I must, because the rebellion instinct will take over and you'll eventually be back in it. So don't do. Make smaller changes, articulate that you're drinking. Say, I'm having a drink. Yeah, I'm having a glass of wine. Think about it. Do it consciously. Don't just go back into the kitchen and pour another glass of wine. Think about it. I, I talk about this all the time with Bruce and it's, uh, it was one last thing. I talk about this all the time with Bruce and it kind of amazed me when I was a kid growing up. Now I realize that I was born before the crust of the earth hardened, and I realize I'm ancient, but when I was a kid growing up on television, People didn't drink. I mean, you know, the, the Cleavers sat down and they drank ugh, milk with dinner.[00:10:28] Bruce: That's disgusting. No, it was Bewitched that really started it. Bewitched was the show where everybody drank all the time, and it was, they did drink a lot. Groundbreaking that people, they drank in the office. It was like Mad men. [00:10:38] Mark: Yeah. Well, they, I mean, Lucy, it's not that people never drink. Lucy got drunk. Um, but as a joke, right? And, and, and Laura Petri got drunk. I mean, it's not that people never drank, it's that they didn't. Casually the way they do now. And now when I watch H B O or we stream Amazon Prime sim series, you know, we're always watching some unbelievable beheading crime dismemberment thing from Norway. Everyone drinks and it's unbelievable. E the ex expectation is everybody walks in. Home from whatever they're doing. The detective, whoever it is, walks in and instantly pours, pours a glass of wine. Mm-hmm. , and there's an open bottle of wine on the counter and everybody's just pouring it, pouring and pouring up, pouring it, walking around with this glass of wine. And first of all, I think it's a very lazy actorly tick because it gives the actor something to do with their hands. But secondly, it makes this idea that somehow you have to walk in and have a drink.[00:11:29] Bruce: It does. It sets that up that this is what we should be doing. [00:11:32] Mark: I am a guy who loves wine and I love beer, and you know, I love bourbon, so I'm not being anti-alcohol. Nope. I'm just saying that it sets this crazy president that I've walked home, I've walked in my door and wears the wine. [00:11:49] Bruce: Nobody ever walks in and opens a diet Coke. They don't, no. Nobody ever walks in and puts up a pot of coffee or makes themselves a latte or, or gets a seltzer. No. Or, or, oh yeah. Open some bottled [00:12:00] Mark: water or goes over to a soda stream and, and, you know, makes a, a, a picture of sparkly water. Nobody. ever does that. They walk in and there's, they, they always are just uncorking, and then they sit around drinking all for, you know, the entire evening. And I'm like, who does this? [00:12:15] Bruce: Well, it also makes horrible continuity problems because in one scene, the glass is full. The next scene, the glass is half full. The next shot, the glass is empty. And so no one pays attention to how much wine's actually in their [00:12:26] Mark: glass. It does. It's really a thing. And it, I think it's, it's also part of lazy acting. Oh, there's my judgment on because again, a glass of wine in a hand, actor, something to do with that hand. And it gives the actor some way to express an emotion by how they move the glass and all that kind of stuff, whereas they're not having to completely rely on their body to do it. It's, it's a whole thing. It's kind of taken over TV and once you see it, you can't unsee it anymore. And again, no. Now you will see it all the time. I just wanna say, you're welcome again. I'm a guy who likes a bottle of wine, so it's not that I'm opposed to any of this, it's just that I'm kind of curious about how it became, so what Wine industry reps sold Hollywood on the idea.[00:13:08] Bruce: Oh, that's really good. Probably. Yeah. [00:13:10] Mark: Everybody should do this. Okay. Before we get to our next segment of the podcast, we'd love you to Rates podcast. We'd love you to subscribe to it. It would be fantastic if you did that. It would be fabulous. In rating. You dropped a comment on the podcast, that would be great. But in any event, thank you for being on this podcast with us. As we've said a million times, we are unsupported so that we can see exactly what we want about wine representatives in Hollywood or the American Heart Association or the New York Times. We don't have to watch our mouths, which is really nice. Up next, our one minute cooking. [00:13:51] Bruce: Break out your waffle, iron. I'm sure you have one sitting in the back of a closet. It's sitting in a cabinet. Take it out. Not to make waffles, but you can use it for so many things. Mm. You can use it instead of a panini press. Mm-hmm. to make a sandwich. Mm-hmm. , you could take two pieces of really nice. Bread, butter the outsides. Put a piece of chocolate between the breads and make yourself a hot, crispy chocolate pocket. Mm-hmm. You could do so much. You could take a piece of puff pastry and shove it in the waffle iron, and just make a crispy, crunchy dessert. You can even make eggs. You don't have to take out a pan. You scramble on egg. You heat up your waffle iron, you pour it into the waffle iron, you close it. [00:14:26] Mark: It's a super easy way to make omelets. I have to tell you, especially if you use tic spray on the waffle iron, it is a super easy way to make omelets. We have an. Chapter on using a waffle iron as a shortcut tool in our book, the Kitchen Shortcut Bible, and it really kind of blew my mind about everything that we could do from making cauliflower, savory, cauliflower waffles to omelets, to paninis. It's a. Great shortcut tool in your kitchen. Up next Bruce's interview with our friend Nicolette Neiman, who we met years ago when we were writing a goat book, and she's the author of Defending Beef, which is now out in a revised edition. Bruce has got a great interview with Nicolette Niman. [00:15:14] Bruce: Today I'm speaking with Nicolette Han Naiman, attorney Rancher and an advocate for sustainable food production and improved farm animal welfare. She is the author of Righteous Pork Chop and Defending Beef, the Ecological and Nutritional Case for Meat. Hey, Nicolette, welcome. [00:15:33] Nicolette: Hello. Thank you. It's good to. Your [00:15:35] Bruce: book Defending Beef pretty much makes us rethink everything we've been taught to believe is wrong with raising and eating beef. I have to start with why is that important to you?[00:15:46] Nicolette: Oh gosh. Well first of all, I hope it does do that. , . Cause that was definitely my goal. If we think of the grazing animals on the land and on our plates as something that's just expendable, you know, that we could just get rid of it and there won't be any downs to it. Why not? Why not just do that? You know, in the sa, you know, in the side of caution, let's just get rid of , let's get Rid of beef and cattle and then we don't have to worry about the, you know, the problems associated with them anymore. The problem with that approach, and I might have actually thought that was not such a bad idea, you know, when I started all of this 20 years ago. But the more I've learned, the more I've...

Dry January? What's up with that?And on another note, Nicolette Niman, the author of DEFENDING BEEF.We're Bruce Weinstein and Mark Scarbrough. We've written three dozen cookbooks. This is our podcast about food and cooking, in which we banter about the latest food topics and interview some of the top food leaders of our day.Join us for this episode of COOKING WITH BRUCE &amp; MARK to find out the latest. Here are the segments of this episode:[01:09]	Our thoughts on dry January--what is it, why is it, and what's the problem?[13:51]	Our one-minute cooking tip: Pull out your waffle iron.[15:14]	Bruce interviews rancher and food advocate Nicolette Hahn Niman about her book DEFENDING BEEF.[39:18]	What's making us happy in food this week? Sumo oranges and Sri Lankan curry![00:00:00] Bruce: Hey, I am Bruce Weinstein and this is the Podcast Cooking with Bruce and Mark. [00:00:05] Mark: And I'm Mark Scarborough. And together with Bruce, uh, we have written, you hear this all the time, probably three dozen cookbooks. I don't know a lot, including the Instant Pot Bible and the Essential Air Fryer Cookbook, uh, book written so that every single recipe is sized out. Either appliance in the Instant Pot Bible, every recipe is sized out for every size of Instant Pot. And in the Essential Air Fryer Cookbook, every recipe is sized out for every size of air fryer on the,[00:00:39] Bruce: we love air fryers, we love air fryers,[00:00:42] Mark: uh, we love all these appliance gadgets apparently, but we're not talking about any of that really.Mm-hmm. . Podcast, although we are talking about a gadget, which is coming up , we're gonna actually talk about this concept of dry January and how it started and what's going on with it. We got our one minute cooking dip. We have a great interview coming up and we're gonna talk about what's making us happy in. Food this week. So let's get started.[00:01:09] Bruce: Dry January. Well, the concept originated in the UK in 2013 and it's, [00:01:14] Mark: how couldn't the people who invented gin invent dry January? That doesn't make any sick. [00:01:19] Bruce: Yeah, these are all the people that invented warm beer.[00:01:21] Mark: So, you know, that's fighting words with the Danes and the regions and who invented gin Them are fighting words. Okay. [00:01:28] Bruce: But the, but they did invent warm beer and so that's disgust. So a nonprofit in the,[00:01:33] Mark: I'm gonna tell you that that's fighting words with the Germans, but go on , [00:01:37] Bruce: a nonprofit in the UK called Alcohol Change UK started the concept of dry January in 2013 with a goal of raising money. And I'm not sure how dry January and raising money happened, but that was a, you probably had to sign into something, but they did it to raise money for alcohol abuse awareness and treatment of. Very good cause. [00:01:59] Mark: Yeah. And a lot of people choose to take part in Dry in January as way to simply drink less or reset for a month or two after all the holidays. And let me tell you, oh, I know the holidays, [00:02:07] Bruce: man. [00:02:07] Mark: Oh man. Let me tell you that I drank like a fish over the holidays with Bruce's family and my family. I mean, Bruce says that one point that. Uh, my brother-in-law and I, Bruce's sister's husband and I, at one point we were just like two drunk old men in a bar sitting at a table saying, oh, I have another glass. [00:02:23] Bruce: You were was, and then we came home for New Year's Eve and we drank. We were with friends and all of us drank a case of champagne, which was really nice.[00:02:31] Mark: Not. Quite a case, but Okay. Okay. Seven bottles. Seven bottles for five people. It was, it's a lot. It was really headache time. Mm-hmm. and, uh, you know, a lot of people want to, uh, reset, uh, listen, I'm doing this too. Wanna reset after the holidays. Mm-hmm. I don't know that I'm doing particularly dry January bed. I certainly am very conscious now of cutting way back here. I'm doing a [00:02:52] Bruce: dryer January. How. I dry January. I'm only objecting a few times.[00:02:55] Mark: According to the American Art Association, a 2022 national survey, and I assume that this is in the United States, showed that upwards of 35% of American adults of legal drinking age did in fact try out dry January last year. Now that that's huge. That's huge. I wonder how many of that 35%, um, made it to the end of January. [00:03:17] Bruce: They, they didn't report that. They only wanted to know how many people attempted to do this.[00:03:20] Mark: And, and also I have to tell you, I'm being now the skeptical PhD student that I once was. When I look at this, Upwards of 35% because 1% is upwards of 35%. So I don't know exactly what upwards of 35% means. Well, that, [00:03:38] Bruce: God, that reminds me that Simpson's episode where Lisa Simpson is out on some tour of some factory and a woman's like a percentage to all of our profits go to Saving Wildlife. And Lisa's like, what percentage? And the woman's like 0 is a % . [00:03:50] Mark: Yes, exactly. That's exactly my point here. You know, I don't know what that means, but I do know that dry January, Thing. And I do see it on social media, I see it on TikTok, I see it on Instagram. I see people engaging with the practice, and it's really not [00:04:06] Bruce: a bad practice. It's not an Annahad O'Connor is a health columnist for the Washington Post, and what is reported there is that people see tangible benefits of not drinking for the month. Everything from saving money to having more energy, to sleeping better, and saving money. Huge thing. [00:04:23] Mark: It is. Alcohol is expensive. [00:04:26] Bruce: It is. I think it's a luxury.[00:04:28] Mark: Um, it might be a luxury. I mean, yes, I know that there is very cheap alcohol and cheap wine available. Okay, good. Alcohol's a luxury then. Well, I, yeah, and, and I'm, and I hope because I do this, you're not talking $90 bottles of bourbon. $35 bottles of bourbon. That's a luxury. It's a luxury. And it's expensive. And yes, it's better than the $8 bourbon because I drink bourbon straight with just a little water in it. So I'm not mixing it in a cocktail. Mixing it. Cocktail to me is a whole different game. It is. You at that point. Now listen, Bruce has this theory, wait before Bruce is gonna say something, but I wanna say Bruce has this Thing. He always says that no amount of fruit juice can cover up the taste of bad alcohol [00:05:12] Bruce: because bad alcohol is bad alcohol. And despite the fact that ethanol is ethanol the part that gets you drunk, right? But there's only 40% of that in an 80 proof bottle of vodka. So 60% of it is other stuff. Right.And that other stuff is what makes it taste bad, but in terms of it being a luxury and saving money, whether this burn, yeah, exactly. So the luxury part, think about even if you just drink a bottle of beer a night, let's say you do that and it's, and it's an inexpensive beer. Let's say you paid a dollar 50 for that bottle of beer, okay?A night that's 365 times a dollar 50. Well, I don't have the calculator right in my hand, but that's upwards of 400 $8,500 right there just for one. Bottle of beer. So now if you drink a bottle of wine a night, or if you have other cocktails, drinking can be expensive. So I do see the benefit of saving some money as well as getting some better sleep.[00:06:07] Mark: Yes. And the American Art Association also points out that there are short term benefits from Epstein, from alcohol, and they include lower blood pressure. Because here's the thing, and you probably know this already, if you drink that, alcohol actually lowers your blood pressure at the start. Of when you're drinking, but then because it so dehydrates you and because of other factors involved, your blood pressure actually goes up dramatically after you've drunk. So there's an initial lowering of blood pressure and then there's a spike, uh, several hours later. You might know this if you've drunk a little too much and wake up in the middle of the night with your heart racing. It's that problem of the blood pressure is. Up because you're coming kind of on the backside of the alcohol intake, and of course there are improvements with insulin resistance, weight loss, sleep. I mean, listen, [00:07:02] Bruce: oh, weight loss again, let's go back to that dollar 50 bottle of beer. It's about 200 calories. So even over the 30 days, so. 200 times 30, we're talking about 6,000 calories. Right. That's a lot of calories you saved [00:07:16] Mark: that month. That's right. And uh, listen, there are a lot of reasons to get back on alcohol intake, but you know what? You can do dry January without, as Bruce has already said, without doing dry January, you can do dry urine. Mm-hmm. , [00:07:27] Bruce: that's what I'm doing January. And I do like that some of the big alcohol brands say they're getting behind this and they're supporting this, which is really nice, except I don't believe. Tito's made a huge, big marketing campaign that, oh, we are getting behind dry January in there. I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling through Facebook videos the other day and I see this ad pop up with Martha Stewart and she's got Tito's vodka and she's talking about dry January. What should I do with all this Tito's vodka? So she puts it in a spray bottle and she's cleaning her counters with it. She gimme a braid. She miss her plants with it, but then as she's missing it, she's licking the air and then she a braid at the very end. She looks at the camera and she says, oh, Martha needs a martini. [00:08:10] Mark: Yeah. In other words, they're making fun of dry January.[00:08:13] Bruce: Yeah, they were and dry. That really irritated me. [00:08:15] Mark: It does irritate me. I think that drier January is really a great idea. I don't know that dry January is necessary for everybody listening. If you have an issue with alcohol, of course, dry January is a fabulous way to figure out your problem with alcohol. Here's what I think, and here's what I really think is important for January to make drier January work for you is be very conscious about drinking. And I find, and I know this is very silly and you're going to think I'm insane, but I find it's really. Interesting to say out aloud, not just in your head aloud, I'm having a drink. Every time you have a drink, it reminds you, even if you know, okay, like let's say I pour myself a bourbon and then I want a little more to say out loud, I'm having a drink on that second poor actually helps me reduce the poor. And it actually helps me kind of pull back and think, wait, do I really need another drink? Be conscious, yeah. Of your drinking. [00:09:17] Bruce: Be conscious. And also use a measuring cup. Use a jigger so you know how much you're drinking. When we freehand it, we tend to always give ourselves a little more than we might want, so there are ways to cut down on this. And the other thing is cold Turkey isn't. Always right for everyone. No. So if you're considering doing this now, even though January's almost over, talk to your doctor if you think it might be a problem going cold Turkey. [00:09:40] Mark: Right? That's what prohibition doesn't work. No. How long things doesn't work? I mean, saying you can't do something just doesn't work because your psyche will eventually snap back to say, no, I must, because the rebellion instinct will take over and you'll eventually be back in it. So don't do. Make smaller changes, articulate that you're drinking. Say, I'm having a drink. Yeah, I'm having a glass of wine. Think about it. Do it consciously. Don't just go back into the kitchen and pour another glass of wine. Think about it. I, I talk about this all the time with Bruce and it's, uh, it was one last thing. I talk about this all the time with Bruce and it kind of amazed me when I was a kid growing up. Now I realize that I was born before the crust of the earth hardened, and I realize I'm ancient, but when I was a kid growing up on television, People didn't drink. I mean, you know, the, the Cleavers sat down and they drank ugh, milk with dinner.[00:10:28] Bruce: That's disgusting. No, it was Bewitched that really started it. Bewitched was the show where everybody drank all the time, and it was, they did drink a lot. Groundbreaking that people, they drank in the office. It was like Mad men. [00:10:38] Mark: Yeah. Well, they, I mean, Lucy, it's not that people never drink. Lucy got drunk. Um, but as a joke, right? And, and, and Laura Petri got drunk. I mean, it's not that people never drank, it's that they didn't. Casually the way they do now. And now when I watch H B O or we stream Amazon Prime sim series, you know, we're always watching some unbelievable beheading crime dismemberment thing from Norway. Everyone drinks and it's unbelievable. E the ex expectation is everybody walks in. Home from whatever they're doing. The detective, whoever it is, walks in and instantly pours, pours a glass of wine. Mm-hmm. , and there's an open bottle of wine on the counter and everybody's just pouring it, pouring and pouring up, pouring it, walking around with this glass of wine. And first of all, I think it's a very lazy actorly tick because it gives the actor something to do with their hands. But secondly, it makes this idea that somehow you have to walk in and have a drink.[00:11:29] Bruce: It does. It sets that up that this is what we should be doing. [00:11:32] Mark: I am a guy who loves wine and I love beer, and you know, I love bourbon, so I'm not being anti-alcohol. Nope. I'm just saying that it sets this crazy president that I've walked home, I've walked in my door and wears the wine. [00:11:49] Bruce: Nobody ever walks in and opens a diet Coke. They don't, no. Nobody ever walks in and puts up a pot of coffee or makes themselves a latte or, or gets a seltzer. No. Or, or, oh yeah. Open some bottled [00:12:00] Mark: water or goes over to a soda stream and, and, you know, makes a, a, a picture of sparkly water. Nobody. ever does that. They walk in and there's, they, they always are just uncorking, and then they sit around drinking all for, you know, the entire evening. And I'm like, who does this? [00:12:15] Bruce: Well, it also makes horrible continuity problems because in one scene, the glass is full. The next scene, the glass is half full. The next shot, the glass is empty. And so no one pays attention to how much wine's actually in their [00:12:26] Mark: glass. It does. It's really a thing. And it, I think it's, it's also part of lazy acting. Oh, there's my judgment on because again, a glass of wine in a hand, actor, something to do with that hand. And it gives the actor some way to express an emotion by how they move the glass and all that kind of stuff, whereas they're not having to completely rely on their body to do it. It's, it's a whole thing. It's kind of taken over TV and once you see it, you can't unsee it anymore. And again, no. Now you will see it all the time. I just wanna say, you're welcome again. I'm a guy who likes a bottle of wine, so it's not that I'm opposed to any of this, it's just that I'm kind of curious about how it became, so what Wine industry reps sold Hollywood on the idea.[00:13:08] Bruce: Oh, that's really good. Probably. Yeah. [00:13:10] Mark: Everybody should do this. Okay. Before we get to our next segment of the podcast, we'd love you to Rates podcast. We'd love you to subscribe to it. It would be fantastic if you did that. It would be fabulous. In rating. You dropped a comment on the podcast, that would be great. But in any event, thank you for being on this podcast with us. As we've said a million times, we are unsupported so that we can see exactly what we want about wine representatives in Hollywood or the American Heart Association or the New York Times. We don't have to watch our mouths, which is really nice. Up next, our one minute cooking. [00:13:51] Bruce: Break out your waffle, iron. I'm sure you have one sitting in the back of a closet. It's sitting in a cabinet. Take it out. Not to make waffles, but you can use it for so many things. Mm. You can use it instead of a panini press. Mm-hmm. to make a sandwich. Mm-hmm. , you could take two pieces of really nice. Bread, butter the outsides. Put a piece of chocolate between the breads and make yourself a hot, crispy chocolate pocket. Mm-hmm. You could do so much. You could take a piece of puff pastry and shove it in the waffle iron, and just make a crispy, crunchy dessert. You can even make eggs. You don't have to take out a pan. You scramble on egg. You heat up your waffle iron, you pour it into the waffle iron, you close it. [00:14:26] Mark: It's a super easy way to make omelets. I have to tell you, especially if you use tic spray on the waffle iron, it is a super easy way to make omelets. We have an. Chapter on using a waffle iron as a shortcut tool in our book, the Kitchen Shortcut Bible, and it really kind of blew my mind about everything that we could do from making cauliflower, savory, cauliflower waffles to omelets, to paninis. It's a. Great shortcut tool in your kitchen. Up next Bruce's interview with our friend Nicolette Neiman, who we met years ago when we were writing a goat book, and she's the author of Defending Beef, which is now out in a revised edition. Bruce has got a great interview with Nicolette Niman. [00:15:14] Bruce: Today I'm speaking with Nicolette Han Naiman, attorney Rancher and an advocate for sustainable food production and improved farm animal welfare. She is the author of Righteous Pork Chop and Defending Beef, the Ecological and Nutritional Case for Meat. Hey, Nicolette, welcome. [00:15:33] Nicolette: Hello. Thank you. It's good to. Your [00:15:35] Bruce: book Defending Beef pretty much makes us rethink everything we've been taught to believe is wrong with raising and eating beef. I have to start with why is that important to you?[00:15:46] Nicolette: Oh gosh. Well first of all, I hope it does do that. , . Cause that was definitely my goal. If we think of the grazing animals on the land and on our plates as something that's just expendable, you know, that we could just get rid of it and there won't be any downs to it. Why not? Why not just do that? You know, in the sa, you know, in the side of caution, let's just get rid of , let's get Rid of beef and cattle and then we don't have to worry about the, you know, the problems associated with them anymore. The problem with that approach, and I might have actually thought that was not such a bad idea, you know, when I started all of this 20 years ago. But the more I've learned, the more I've...

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