Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Susanna McGibbonSusanna McGibbon is His Majesty’s Procurator General, the Treasury Solicitor and the Permanent Secretary of the Government Legal Department, or GLD.  She is the most senior civil servant who gives legal advice to the government of the day. Susanna and Sally discuss the important distinction that whilst she and the GLD act in their client’s best interests, they are politically impartial.  They reflect on Susanna’s passion for ensuring that the Government of the day is advised by people who live and work all over the country.  It’s vitally important to Susanna that the Government is advised by people who reflect the society that they serve.  Susanna also shares with Sally why her most significant case was actually a defeat, when the High Court ruled that MPs must be given a vote on whether to trigger Article 50. Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 and Instagram @sjsallypenni

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Susanna McGibbonSusanna McGibbon is His Majesty’s Procurator General, the Treasury Solicitor and the Permanent Secretary of the Government Legal Department, or GLD.  She is the most senior civil servant who gives legal advice to the government of the day. Susanna and Sally discuss the important distinction that whilst she and the GLD act in their client’s best interests, they are politically impartial.  They reflect on Susanna’s passion for ensuring that the Government of the day is advised by people who live and work all over the country.  It’s vitally important to Susanna that the Government is advised by people who reflect the society that they serve.  Susanna also shares with Sally why her most significant case was actually a defeat, when the High Court ruled that MPs must be given a vote on whether to trigger Article 50. Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter<a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> @SallyPenni1</a> and Instagram @<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sjsallypenni/#" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sjsallypenni</a>

Susanna McGibbon

Michael Mansfield

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Michael Mansfield KCMichael was called to the Bar in 1967. In 1984, he established Tooks Chambers and became Queen's Counsel in 1989. He has represented defendants in criminal trials, appeals and inquiries in some of the most controversial legal cases the country has seen, particularly where issues of Civil Liberty have arisen.Sally and Michael discuss some of the high-profile cases Michael has worked on, including Stephen Lawrence and the Grenfell Inquiry. He also shares his experience of chairing inquiries for mistreated groups and providing equal opportunities for black practitioners. Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 and Instagram @sjsallypenni

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Michael Mansfield KCMichael was called to the Bar in 1967. In 1984, he established Tooks Chambers and became Queen's Counsel in 1989. He has represented defendants in criminal trials, appeals and inquiries in some of the most controversial legal cases the country has seen, particularly where issues of Civil Liberty have arisen.Sally and Michael discuss some of the high-profile cases Michael has worked on, including Stephen Lawrence and the Grenfell Inquiry. He also shares his experience of chairing inquiries for mistreated groups and providing equal opportunities for black practitioners. Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter<a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> @SallyPenni1</a> and Instagram @<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sjsallypenni/#" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sjsallypenni</a>

Michael Mansfield KC

Nicola Williams

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Nicola Williams. Nicola is the author of the hit novels Without Prejudice and Until Proven Innocent. She’s also a part-time Crown Court Judge and one of the 100 most influential black people in the UK.Nicola shares with Sally her journey to the bar, and how the skills she learnt there took her to the Cayman Islands.Nicola shares her insights into the life of a legal professional, as she tried to balance her career as a part-time Crown Court Judge and as an author. Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 and Instagram @sjsallypenni

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Nicola Williams. Nicola is the author of the hit novels Without Prejudice and Until Proven Innocent. She’s also a part-time Crown Court Judge and one of the 100 most influential black people in the UK.Nicola shares with Sally her journey to the bar, and how the skills she learnt there took her to the Cayman Islands.Nicola shares her insights into the life of a legal professional, as she tried to balance her career as a part-time Crown Court Judge and as an author. Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1</a> and Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/sjsallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@sjsallypenni</a>

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Nik White.Nik has been the Managing Partner of Brabners since 2018. With a background in commercial law, he has devoted his working career to the firm, having joined as a trainee solicitor in 1995. Brabners is a leading independent law firm which helps private, public and third-sector organisations, as well as private individuals.  They recently worked on the now infamous “Wagatha Christie” case for their client Colleen Rooney.   Sally discovers what it was like to work on such a high profile case, with so much media attention. Brabners have a focus on sustainability, not just in the environment but in the workplace too. Sally hears about their work to encourage employees back to the office post-pandemic and also about the “Brabners Bog”, a peat bog they’ve invested in to help tackle carbon emissions. Nik describes himself as an “accidental lawyer”. He and Sally discuss his journey to become Managing Partner; the skills and values he has carried with him and why he’s never moved on to another firm. This episode is supported by Brabners. Find out more about their work here.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 and Instagram @sjsallypenni

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Nik White.Nik has been the Managing Partner of Brabners since 2018. With a background in commercial law, he has devoted his working career to the firm, having joined as a trainee solicitor in 1995. Brabners is a leading independent law firm which helps private, public and third-sector organisations, as well as private individuals.  They recently worked on the now infamous “Wagatha Christie” case for their client Colleen Rooney.   Sally discovers what it was like to work on such a high profile case, with so much media attention. Brabners have a focus on sustainability, not just in the environment but in the workplace too. Sally hears about their work to encourage employees back to the office post-pandemic and also about the “Brabners Bog”, a peat bog they’ve invested in to help tackle carbon emissions. Nik describes himself as an “accidental lawyer”. He and Sally discuss his journey to become Managing Partner; the skills and values he has carried with him and why he’s never moved on to another firm. This episode is supported by Brabners. Find out more about their work <a href="https://www.brabners.com/about-us" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here.</a>Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter<a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> @SallyPenni1</a> and Instagram @<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sjsallypenni/#" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sjsallypenni</a>

Nik White

Jonathan Sumption

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Lord Jonathan SumptionLord Sumption is a former senior judge who sat on the Supreme Court of England and Wales.Sally and Lord Sumption reflect on his career, the cases he enacted on as a barrister, including the Abramovich case, and why Lord Sumption once said it will take 50 years to achieve true equality at the bar. Sally and Lord Sumption also discuss the 2019 prorogation case, although he did not act on this case he shares his perspective. During the pandemic Lord Sumption spoke out against the lockdowns when asked to comment by the BBC programme “The World at One”. He explains to Sally the reasoning behind his views and where he believes the government went wrong. A former academic, Lord Sumption has authored several books and specialises in history. Sally speaks to him about his life outside of his work and his passion for the arts. This episode is supported by Salford Business School. Find out more about their work here.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 and Instagram @sjsallypenni

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Lord Jonathan Sumption Lord Sumption is a former senior judge who sat on the Supreme Court of England and Wales. Sally and Lord Sumption reflect on his career, the cases he enacted on as a barrister, including the Abramovich case, and why Lord Sumption once said it will take 50 years to achieve true equality at the bar. Sally and Lord Sumption also discuss the 2019 prorogation case, although he did not act on this case he shares his perspective. During the pandemic Lord Sumption spoke out against the lockdowns when asked to comment by the BBC programme “The World at One”. He explains to Sally the reasoning behind his views and where he believes the government went wrong. A former academic, Lord Sumption has authored several books and specialises in history. Sally speaks to him about his life outside of his work and his passion for the arts. This episode is supported by Salford Business School. <a href="https://www.salford.ac.uk/salford-business-school" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Find out more about their work here. </a> Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair. Follow Sally on Twitter<a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> @SallyPenni1</a> and Instagram @<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sjsallypenni/#" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sjsallypenni</a>

Lord Jonathan Sumption

Shaun Wallace

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Dr Shaun Wallace and Tom LyasDr Shaun Wallace is a Barrister at Great James Street Chambers and is also well known to the public as a celebrity quizzer. He was the first black man to win Mastermind and is now a permanent staple on ITV’s The Chase.Dr Wallace tells Sally about how he’s been driven to be a lawyer since the age of 11, but he hasn’t always been regarded as intelligent. Dr Wallace shares how you should never rest on your laurels, as each new milestone is “the starting line to a new challenge.”Tom Lyas is the Head of Resourcing at Browne Jacobson. He passionately believes that diverse hiring leads to the best talent. Tom shares with Sally how the work he’s done in DEI at Browne Jacobson has taken the firm from one success to another.Tom also gives applicants some lucrative tips when applying for positions. This episode is supported by Browne Jacobson. Find out more about their work here.Talking Law is presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 and Instagram @sjsallypenni

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Dr Shaun Wallace and Tom LyasDr Shaun Wallace is a Barrister at Great James Street Chambers and is also well known to the public as a celebrity quizzer. He was the first black man to win Mastermind and is now a permanent staple on ITV’s The Chase.Dr Wallace tells Sally about how he’s been driven to be a lawyer since the age of 11, but he hasn’t always been regarded as intelligent. Dr Wallace shares how you should never rest on your laurels, as each new milestone is “the starting line to a new challenge.”Tom Lyas is the Head of Resourcing at Browne Jacobson. He passionately believes that diverse hiring leads to the best talent. Tom shares with Sally how the work he’s done in DEI at Browne Jacobson has taken the firm from one success to another.Tom also gives applicants some lucrative tips when applying for positions. This episode is supported by Browne Jacobson. Find out more about their work <a href="https://www.brownejacobson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.Talking Law is presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter<a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> @SallyPenni1</a> and Instagram @<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sjsallypenni/#" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sjsallypenni</a>

Dr Shaun Wallace and Tom Lyas

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Chad Doellinger. Chad is the Senior Vice President; Deputy General Counsel, and Chief Operations Officer for CBRE's global legal department.Chad balances his day job with a teaching position at Chicago Law School, alongside life with four children and four dogs. He tells Sally all about his career history and his route to becoming Deputy General Counsel.Sally and Chad share their views on Diversity, Equality and Inclusion. They come to the conclusion that it’s no good being at the table, if you don’t feel welcome there. Hear Chad’s top tips for those looking to make a career in the field of law, but also for those who’ve been practicing law for some time and are looking to progress or change their career. This episode is supported by CBRE. Find out more about their work here.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 and Instagram @sjsallypenni

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Chad Doellinger. Chad is the Senior Vice President; Deputy General Counsel, and Chief Operations Officer for CBRE's global legal department.Chad balances his day job with a teaching position at Chicago Law School, alongside life with four children and four dogs. He tells Sally all about his career history and his route to becoming Deputy General Counsel.Sally and Chad share their views on Diversity, Equality and Inclusion. They come to the conclusion that it’s no good being at the table, if you don’t feel welcome there. Hear Chad’s top tips for those looking to make a career in the field of law, but also for those who’ve been practicing law for some time and are looking to progress or change their career. This episode is supported by CBRE. Find out more about their work <a href="https://www.cbre.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter<a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> @SallyPenni1</a> and Instagram @<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sjsallypenni/#" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sjsallypenni</a>

Chad Doellinger

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Lord David Pannick KC, a Barrister at Blackstone Chambers who specialises in public law and appellate advocacy. He is also a Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford and a Crossbench Peer in the House of Lords.David talks over his 40 year career and some of his most memorable cases including the case for Gina Miller on the unlawful prorogation of Parliament in 2019, he tells Sally all about the experience of dealing on such a public and politically significant case. Advocacy is one of David’s many interests within the law and is known for being one of the best on the subject, and he gives a masterclass in advocacy in the episode.Hear why Lord Pannick says he is “constantly surprised” by what is going to happen in the court, the cases that have made him nervous and his advice to barristers at the start of their career.This episode is supported by CBRE. Find out more about their work here.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 and Instagram @sjsallypenni

Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Lord David Pannick KC, a Barrister at Blackstone Chambers who specialises in public law and appellate advocacy. He is also a Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford and a Crossbench Peer in the House of Lords. David talks over his 40 year career and some of his most memorable cases including the case for Gina Miller on the unlawful prorogation of Parliament in 2019, he tells Sally all about the experience of dealing on such a public and politically significant case.  Advocacy is one of David’s many interests within the law and is known for being one of the best on the subject, and he gives a masterclass in advocacy in the episode. Hear why Lord Pannick says he is “constantly surprised” by what is going to happen in the court, the cases that have made him nervous and his advice to barristers at the start of their career. This episode is supported by CBRE. Find out more about their work <a href="https://www.cbre.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>. Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter<a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> @SallyPenni1</a> and Instagram @<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sjsallypenni/#" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sjsallypenni</a>

Lord David Pannick KC

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Erin Shoesmith, partner at Addleshaw Goddard where she leads the health and safety practice. She is regularly instructed by the firm's leading corporate clients and individuals facing prosecution or investigation by the Police, HSE, Local Fire &amp; Rescue Service. Her practice also covers inquests and public inquiries, including most recently the Grenfell Tower and Manchester Arena Inquiries.Erin reflects on one of the most poignant cases of her career – the inquest and subsequent inquiry into the Manchester Arena bombing in 2017. It was a pro bono case, and Erin explains why she loves pro bono work and why she often finds it so fascinating.Recorded ahead of the Lionesses final game in the Womens Euros 2022, Erin has a keen interest in Women’s football and considers what the Lionesses victory will mean for gender equality in sport going forward.This episode is supported by Addleshaw Goddard &amp; Salford Business School.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://uk.linkedin.com/in/erin-shoesmith-02228923" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Erin Shoesmith</a>, partner at Addleshaw Goddard where she leads the health and safety practice. She is regularly instructed by the firm's leading corporate clients and individuals facing prosecution or investigation by the Police, HSE, Local Fire &amp; Rescue Service. Her practice also covers inquests and public inquiries, including most recently the Grenfell Tower and Manchester Arena Inquiries.Erin reflects on one of the most poignant cases of her career – the inquest and subsequent inquiry into the Manchester Arena bombing in 2017. It was a pro bono case, and Erin explains why she loves pro bono work and why she often finds it so fascinating.Recorded ahead of the Lionesses final game in the Womens Euros 2022, Erin has a keen interest in Women’s football and considers what the Lionesses victory will mean for gender equality in sport going forward.This episode is supported by <a href="https://www.addleshawgoddard.com/en/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Addleshaw Goddard</a> &amp; <a href="https://www.salford.ac.uk/salford-business-school" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Salford Business School</a>.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a>

Erin Shoesmith

Christina Blacklaws

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Christina Blacklaws, a former President of the Law Society of England and Wales who now runs her own consultancy business providing strategic advice particularly in the areas of transformational change, technological developments and diversity and inclusion.Hear Christina reflect on a fascinating portfolio career with roles ranging from advising government on the use of Artificial Intelligence in the law, to helping the The Co-operative Group set up an alternative business structure.Christina shares her advice for women, and those suffering from Imposter Syndrome; she considers the causes of imposter syndrome and how we should look to overcome it.Christina also discusses what it was like to be awarded the International Leaders Lifetime Achievement Award at the Justicia Awards, and to have her trophy personally hand-delivered from Europe.This episode is supported by Salford Business School.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christinablacklaws" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Christina Blacklaws</a>, a former President of the Law Society of England and Wales who now runs her own consultancy business providing strategic advice particularly in the areas of transformational change, technological developments and diversity and inclusion.Hear Christina reflect on a fascinating portfolio career with roles ranging from advising government on the use of Artificial Intelligence in the law, to helping the The Co-operative Group set up an alternative business structure.Christina shares her advice for women, and those suffering from Imposter Syndrome; she considers the causes of imposter syndrome and how we should look to overcome it.Christina also discusses what it was like to be awarded the International Leaders Lifetime Achievement Award at the Justicia Awards, and to have her trophy personally hand-delivered from Europe.This episode is supported by <a href="https://www.salford.ac.uk/salford-business-school" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Salford Business School</a>.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a>

Presented by multi-award winning barrister Sally Penni, Talking Law profiles leading figures in UK law as they discuss the highs and lows of their career plus the challenges and realities of the legal profession. From Women in the Law UK www.womeninthelawuk.com

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Shelley McGivern, partner in the Corporate team at Addleshaw Goddard and co-head of the Firm's SciTech sector. Shelley has a wealth of experience advising both corporate and institutional clients across a number of sectors with a particular focus on acquisitions and disposals and joint ventures in the real estate sector.Shelley talks about ‘flexing’ her career; progressing professionally whilst juggling a busy home life with her children – something that her firm have been particularly supportive of. She even recalls how she never worked during school holidays, and handing over of work to another team member often meant that the length of time away was largely irrelevant to the progression of the workload.Shelley and Sally discuss the role of forums for women, such as Women in the Law, and how equality and understanding of women’s issues will only progress if men are included in the debate. Shelley also has some fantastic advice for women – to be brave and speak up for yourself, as barriers and stresses can often be self-created.This episode is supported by Addleshaw Goddard.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://uk.linkedin.com/in/shelley-mcgivern-7924712a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Shelley McGivern</a>, partner in the Corporate team at Addleshaw Goddard and co-head of the Firm's SciTech sector. Shelley has a wealth of experience advising both corporate and institutional clients across a number of sectors with a particular focus on acquisitions and disposals and joint ventures in the real estate sector.Shelley talks about ‘flexing’ her career; progressing professionally whilst juggling a busy home life with her children – something that her firm have been particularly supportive of. She even recalls how she never worked during school holidays, and handing over of work to another team member often meant that the length of time away was largely irrelevant to the progression of the workload.Shelley and Sally discuss the role of forums for women, such as Women in the Law, and how equality and understanding of women’s issues will only progress if men are included in the debate. Shelley also has some fantastic advice for women – to be brave and speak up for yourself, as barriers and stresses can often be self-created.This episode is supported by <a href="https://www.addleshawgoddard.com/en/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Addleshaw Goddard</a>.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-the-law-uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Find us on LinkedIn</a> or at <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WomenInTheLawUK.com</a>

Shelley McGivern

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Alice Stephenson, Founder &amp; CEO of Stephenson Law.Hear how Alice struggled with progression in the law whilst being a young Mum, and became so disillusioned with the profession that she even decided to quit. Inspired by her entrepreneur husband, she then started her own law firm to see if she could carve her own path within the industry.  Alice and her firm are extremely creative in their use of social media and Alice says authenticity is the key to success. She’s also very proud of her many tattoos – something which she thinks reveals her personality in a way rarely seen in the legal profession, but that actually is something many clients warm to.Alice also talks about juggling work and family life, and the importance of having a strong support network around you. She also tells the story of how she recently relocated along with her family and now works remotely from Amsterdam.This episode is supported by CBRE.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://www.stephenson.law/team/alice-stephenson" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alice Stephenson</a>, Founder &amp; CEO of <a href="https://www.stephenson.law/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stephenson Law</a>.Hear how Alice struggled with progression in the law whilst being a young Mum, and became so disillusioned with the profession that she even decided to quit. Inspired by her entrepreneur husband, she then started her own law firm to see if she could carve her own path within the industry.  Alice and her firm are extremely creative in their use of social media and Alice says authenticity is the key to success. She’s also very proud of her many tattoos – something which she thinks reveals her personality in a way rarely seen in the legal profession, but that actually is something many clients warm to.Alice also talks about juggling work and family life, and the importance of having a strong support network around you. She also tells the story of how she recently relocated along with her family and now works remotely from Amsterdam.This episode is supported by <a href="https://www.cbre.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CBRE</a>.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-the-law-uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Find us on LinkedIn</a> or at <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WomenInTheLawUK.com</a>

Alice Stephenson

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Jo Sidhu, a criminal barrister who is widely regarded as one of the leading criminal trial lawyers in the UK and has appeared in some of England’s most serious prosecutions. Jo served as the Chair of the Criminal Bar Association in 2021-22.Jo explains what motivated him to become a criminal barrister, and tries to explain why many in the profession are protesting; a response to what he describes as a ‘process of attrition and by neglect from successive governments’ leading to insufficient funding for the criminal justice system. Jo explains that criminal barristers have received a 28% reduction in real earnings over the last two decades, further compounded by the effects of the pandemic.As the leader of the criminal bar association, Jo has made it his mission to bring the plight of barristers into the public domain so the wider public can understand the severity and complexity of the challenges facing the criminal legal system. Jo highlights the root cause of the backlog in cases being heard; a problem which was substantial and growing even before the arrival of the pandemic.Jo also reflects upon one of his most memorable and traumatic cases, the murder of mother-of-four Saima Khan by her own sister. He reveals the story behind the case, and why it left its mark him. The case is explored in a TV documentary called ‘The Lady Killers’ .This episode is supported by Salford Business School.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jo-sidhu-qc-71bb3852" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jo Sidhu</a>, a criminal barrister who is widely regarded as one of the leading criminal trial lawyers in the UK and has appeared in some of England’s most serious prosecutions. Jo served as the Chair of the Criminal Bar Association in 2021-22.Jo explains what motivated him to become a criminal barrister, and tries to explain why many in the profession are protesting; a response to what he describes as a ‘process of attrition and by neglect from successive governments’ leading to insufficient funding for the criminal justice system. Jo explains that criminal barristers have received a 28% reduction in real earnings over the last two decades, further compounded by the effects of the pandemic.As the leader of the criminal bar association, Jo has made it his mission to bring the plight of barristers into the public domain so the wider public can understand the severity and complexity of the challenges facing the criminal legal system. Jo highlights the root cause of the backlog in cases being heard; a problem which was substantial and growing even before the arrival of the pandemic.Jo also reflects upon one of his most memorable and traumatic cases, the murder of mother-of-four Saima Khan by her own sister. He reveals the story behind the case, and why it left its mark him. The case is explored in a TV documentary called ‘<a href="https://www.discoveryplus.com/gb/video/the-lady-killers/sabah-khan" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Lady Killers’</a> .This episode is supported by <a href="https://www.salford.ac.uk/salford-business-school" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Salford Business School</a>.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-the-law-uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Find us on LinkedIn</a> or at <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WomenInTheLawUK.com</a>

Jo Sidhu

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Ayo Onatade who is a personal assistant to judges based at the Supreme Court. Ayo describes her many roles and responsibilities, and details what it’s like to work at the highest court in the United Kingdom.Ayo is also a freelance commentator on crime fiction, writing articles and featuring on panels about the genre. Ayo explains how she found her love of crime fiction, and shares some of her favourite novels.Ayo also reflects on what it was like to work for Lady Hale at the Supreme Court. ‘She was so inspiring. She used to make me laugh and to be brutally honest, I miss her terribly’ Ayo says.This episode is supported by CBRE.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://uk.linkedin.com/in/ayo-onatade-b456522" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ayo Onatade</a> who is a personal assistant to judges based at the Supreme Court. Ayo describes her many roles and responsibilities, and details what it’s like to work at the highest court in the United Kingdom.Ayo is also a freelance commentator on crime fiction, writing articles and featuring on panels about the genre. Ayo explains how she found her love of crime fiction, and shares some of her favourite novels.Ayo also reflects on what it was like to work for Lady Hale at the Supreme Court. ‘She was so inspiring. She used to make me laugh and to be brutally honest, I miss her terribly’ Ayo says.This episode is supported by <a href="https://www.cbre.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CBRE</a>.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a>

Ayo Onatade

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Iain Simkin.Iain Simkin is renowned for his expertise across the range of regulatory cases and he also specialises in serious crime.Iain recalls the extreme determination it took to begin his career and reflects on some of the most memorable cases of his career, including his work as prosecuting counsel in the case of Reynhard Sinaga, and the difficulties he faced in presenting evidence in that case.Iain also shares his experiences of being a transplant patient, and talks about his work in encouraging people to become organ donors.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://deanscourt.co.uk/our-barristers/iain-simkin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Iain Simkin</a>.Iain Simkin is renowned for his expertise across the range of regulatory cases and he also specialises in serious crime.Iain recalls the extreme determination it took to begin his career and reflects on some of the most memorable cases of his career, including his work as prosecuting counsel in the case of Reynhard Sinaga, and the difficulties he faced in presenting evidence in that case.Iain also shares his experiences of being a transplant patient, and talks about his work in encouraging people to become organ donors.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-the-law-uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Find us on LinkedIn</a> or at <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WomenInTheLawUK.com</a>

Iain Simkin

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Dinah Rose KC, who is a barrister and member of Blackstone Chambers. Dinah was also appointed President of Magdalen College, Oxford in September 2020. She is the 43rd President of the College since its foundation in 1458, and the first woman to hold the post.Dinah describes how she juggled her career at the bar around raising two children. She also recalls one of her most memorable cases; an employment tribunal on behalf of Jane Couch also known as the Fleetwood Assasin, who wanted to become a female boxer but was denied a licence on the grounds of being a woman.Dinah explains why she loves the Supreme Court, but admits there is work to be done to improve diversity within the Court and to improve transparency in the appointment process.Dinah has some powerful thoughts on wellbeing too. A particularly stressful time in her life led her to take some time off work sick, and she reflects on this period in her life and how it proved to be a turning point in her career, for the better.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://www.blackstonechambers.com/barristers/dinah-rose-qc/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dinah Rose</a> KC, who is a barrister and member of Blackstone Chambers. Dinah was also appointed President of Magdalen College, Oxford in September 2020. She is the 43rd President of the College since its foundation in 1458, and the first woman to hold the post.Dinah describes how she juggled her career at the bar around raising two children. She also recalls one of her most memorable cases; an employment tribunal on behalf of Jane Couch also known as the Fleetwood Assasin, who wanted to become a female boxer but was denied a licence on the grounds of being a woman.Dinah explains why she loves the Supreme Court, but admits there is work to be done to improve diversity within the Court and to improve transparency in the appointment process.Dinah has some powerful thoughts on wellbeing too. A particularly stressful time in her life led her to take some time off work sick, and she reflects on this period in her life and how it proved to be a turning point in her career, for the better.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-the-law-uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Find us on LinkedIn</a> or at <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WomenInTheLawUK.com</a>

Dinah Rose

Margaret Casely-Hayford

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Margaret Casely-Hayford. Margaret was awarded a CBE in the Queen’s Honours list in 2018, for services to charity and for promoting diversity upon ending her term as trustee and Chair of international development Charity ActionAid UK.She was Director of Legal Services and Company Secretary for the John Lewis Partnership for nine years. Before that she worked for twenty years with City law firm Dentons where she had been a partner and jointly led an award-winning team in planning and development work. She’s now retired from executive roles.Hear Margaret reflect on how she shaped her portfolio career, sitting on a number of boards, all with a commitment to improving society for others and creating opportunities. Her portfolio includes advising young entrepreneurs, and supporting and advising organisations on governance and advising those, in particular women and BAME or LGTBQ+ people, who wish to embark upon board careers.  She is passionate about establishing diversity on boards and is an ambassador of Board Apprentice.As Chancellor for Coventry University Margaret also shares some fantastic advice for anyone wanting to enter the law including the importance of being multidisciplinary, as well as the essential need for resilience. Watch Margaret’s TED Talk – Face into the Darkness of our HistoryPresented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://margaretcasely-hayford.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Margaret Casely-Hayford</a>. Margaret was awarded a CBE in the Queen’s Honours list in 2018, for services to charity and for promoting diversity upon ending her term as trustee and Chair of international development Charity ActionAid UK.She was Director of Legal Services and Company Secretary for the John Lewis Partnership for nine years. Before that she worked for twenty years with City law firm Dentons where she had been a partner and jointly led an award-winning team in planning and development work. She’s now retired from executive roles.Hear Margaret reflect on how she shaped her portfolio career, sitting on a number of boards, all with a commitment to improving society for others and creating opportunities. Her portfolio includes advising young entrepreneurs, and supporting and advising organisations on governance and advising those, in particular women and BAME or LGTBQ+ people, who wish to embark upon board careers.  She is passionate about establishing diversity on boards and is an ambassador of Board Apprentice.As Chancellor for Coventry University Margaret also shares some fantastic advice for anyone wanting to enter the law including the importance of being multidisciplinary, as well as the essential need for resilience.<a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/margaret_casely_hayford_face_into_the_darkness_of_our_history" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Watch Margaret’s TED Talk – Face into the Darkness of our History</a>Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-the-law-uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Find us on LinkedIn</a> or at <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WomenInTheLawUK.com</a>

Welcome to a brand new season of Talking Law with Sally Penni MBE!This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Banke A. Odunaike,  Head of Legal in EMEA at CBRE. CBRE is a real estate firm that offers a range of services to help companies with all their property needs. With over 100k employees across 100 different countries, they are the largest company of their kind in the world.Banke shares how her love of the judiciary began at an early age, earning her the nickname ‘The Shortest Judge’ or SJ for short.Banke looks back upon the hard time she went through when securing a training contract; the multiple rejection letters she received and offers some advice to anyone starting out on that journey.Banke also reveals the initiatives that she is working on at CBRE to champion Diversity and Inclusion, and also considers how the industry can do more to futher D&amp;I within the GC space. Hear a fascinating story  of how Banke dealt with a situation where her daughter had experienced racism at school, using an analogy of a rainbow.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

Welcome to a brand new season of Talking Law with Sally Penni MBE!This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/banke-o-9811623/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Banke A. Odunaike</a>,  Head of Legal in EMEA at <a href="https://www.cbre.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CBRE</a>. CBRE is a real estate firm that offers a range of services to help companies with all their property needs. With over 100k employees across 100 different countries, they are the largest company of their kind in the world.Banke shares how her love of the judiciary began at an early age, earning her the nickname ‘The Shortest Judge’ or SJ for short.Banke looks back upon the hard time she went through when securing a training contract; the multiple rejection letters she received and offers some advice to anyone starting out on that journey.Banke also reveals the initiatives that she is working on at CBRE to champion Diversity and Inclusion, and also considers how the industry can do more to futher D&amp;I within the GC space. Hear a fascinating story  of how Banke dealt with a situation where her daughter had experienced racism at school, using an analogy of a rainbow.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a>

Banke Odunaike

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Alison Fagan. Ali is a Construction Disputes Partner and the Head of the Infrastructure Funds Sector Group at DLA Piper UK LLP. Ali provides risk management advice on distressed, high value or strategically critical infrastructure projects for a wide ranging pool of clients, from private sector partners to  delivery contractors. Alison talks about her organisation which, despite being in a male-led industry, is demonstrating a wealth of female talent and shares what they are doing to promote diversity and equality in the workplace. She also talks about the challenges the organisation faces when promoting diversity, including staff retention, and how businesses can adapt to better retain good people.Alison reflects on her experiences of imposter syndrome at work, and offers some fantastic advice for anyone who may be feeling similar in how to challenge those thoughts and misconceptions.This episode is supported by DLA Piper.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://www.dlapiper.com/en/uk/people/f/fagan-alison/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alison Fagan</a>. Ali is a Construction Disputes Partner and the Head of the Infrastructure Funds Sector Group at DLA Piper UK LLP. Ali provides risk management advice on distressed, high value or strategically critical infrastructure projects for a wide ranging pool of clients, from private sector partners to  delivery contractors. Alison talks about her organisation which, despite being in a male-led industry, is demonstrating a wealth of female talent and shares what they are doing to promote diversity and equality in the workplace. She also talks about the challenges the organisation faces when promoting diversity, including staff retention, and how businesses can adapt to better retain good people.Alison reflects on her experiences of imposter syndrome at work, and offers some fantastic advice for anyone who may be feeling similar in how to challenge those thoughts and misconceptions.This episode is supported by <a href="https://www.dlapiper.com/en/uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">DLA Piper</a>.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-the-law-uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Find us on LinkedIn</a> or at <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WomenInTheLawUK.com</a>

Alison Fagan

In this episode, Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Leroy Logan. Leroy was a highly-decorated Superintendent with the Metropolitan Police – a career that culminated with his work on the Olympic Security Team overseeing the London 2012 games. He was a member of the Black Police Association for over 30 years and was 1st National Chair 1998-99 and London Chair 2000-04, as well as being a founder member for both the London and National BPAs.Leroy reveals how Oscar-winning director Steve McQueen came to make a BBC TV drama about his life as a police officer, and how Leroy even helped with scripting the show. Leroy also reflects on his life-long career with the police and the positive influence his parents had on his life.Now, Leroy’s next ambition is to become a children’s author. Currently less than 5% of children's books are from black and minority ethnic backgrounds and even fewer are from a male perspective so Leroy intends to offer an alternative discourse in children’s literature.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

In this episode, Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with <a href="https://www.leroylogan.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Leroy Logan</a>. Leroy was a highly-decorated Superintendent with the Metropolitan Police – a career that culminated with his work on the Olympic Security Team overseeing the London 2012 games. He was a member of the Black Police Association for over 30 years and was 1st National Chair 1998-99 and London Chair 2000-04, as well as being a founder member for both the London and National BPAs.Leroy reveals how Oscar-winning director Steve McQueen came to make a BBC TV drama about his life as a police officer, and how Leroy even helped with scripting the show. Leroy also reflects on his life-long career with the police and the positive influence his parents had on his life.Now, Leroy’s next ambition is to become a children’s author. Currently less than 5% of children's books are from black and minority ethnic backgrounds and even fewer are from a male perspective so Leroy intends to offer an alternative discourse in children’s literature.Presented by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallypenni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sally Penni</a> MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women in the Law UK</a>. Follow Sally on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/sallypenni1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@SallyPenni1 </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-the-law-uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Find us on LinkedIn</a> or at <a href="https://www.womeninthelawuk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WomenInTheLawUK.com</a>

Leroy Logan

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