Grant Parker

Jac Thompson

In this special episode of The Second Muse, former guest Ella Mine returns with collaborators Jac Thompson and S. Grant Parker for a live performance at North Wind Manor and a discussion about how art arises from pain to become a safe place during times of suffering. This episode originally aired during Hutchmoot: Homebound 2021.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this special episode of The Second Muse, former guest Ella Mine returns with collaborators Jac Thompson and S. Grant Parker for a live performance at North Wind Manor and a discussion about how art arises from pain to become a safe place during times of suffering. This episode originally aired during Hutchmoot: Homebound 2021.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Ella Mine, Jac Thompson & S. Grant Parker

In this last episode of Season Two, Drew Miller asks three questions of the Rabbit Room staff: How did you listen to music growing up and how have your listening habits changed? What is your advice for becoming a better listener? And who are some artists you're listening to right now? You'll hear the voices of Andrew Peterson, Pete Peterson, Jennifer Trafton, Chris Thiessen, Leslie Thompson, and Shigé Clark as they share about their personal relationship to music. This episode was inspired by a blog series at the Rabbit Room called The Lost Art of Listening, which examined how the streaming era has forever changed the way we listen, for better and for worse.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this last episode of Season Two, Drew Miller asks three questions of the Rabbit Room staff: How did you listen to music growing up and how have your listening habits changed? What is your advice for becoming a better listener? And who are some artists you're listening to right now? You'll hear the voices of Andrew Peterson, Pete Peterson, Jennifer Trafton, Chris Thiessen, Leslie Thompson, and Shigé Clark as they share about their personal relationship to music. This episode was inspired by a <a href="https://rabbitroom.com/2020/04/the-lost-art-of-listening-part-1-ubiquity-scarcity/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">blog series at the Rabbit Room called The Lost Art of Listening</a>, which examined how the streaming era has forever changed the way we listen, for better and for worse.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E12: The Lost Art of Listening (Epilogue)

Andrew Osenga

Drew Miller

Evan Redwine

In this second-to-last episode of Season 2, Andrew Osenga joins the podcast to interview Drew Miller and Evan Redwine about Drew’s song “Death of a Dream.” They speculate on what precisely the dreams are that died and how this song and its accompanying Desolation and Consolation EPs came about. Then they geek out about how Evan played Pro Tools plug-ins like instruments to achieve that spooky, decaying sort of sound that defines “Death of a Dream.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this second-to-last episode of Season 2, Andrew Osenga joins the podcast to interview Drew Miller and Evan Redwine about Drew’s song “Death of a Dream.” They speculate on what precisely the dreams are that died and how this song and its accompanying <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/7r5OTsHwLxlVhdKBzW7ukr?si=l_UVjNGxQR-MZKZu8O_Xyg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Desolation</a> and <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/3eZnvCQtzyDEXT1Y5fsW8l?si=HWGWdLrwSICN4v2Q5cZaoQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Consolation</a> EPs came about. Then they geek out about how Evan played Pro Tools plug-ins like instruments to achieve that spooky, decaying sort of sound that defines “Death of a Dream.”See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E11: Andrew Osenga interviews Drew Miller & Evan Redwine

Taylor Leonhardt

Lucas Morton

Drew Miller talks with Taylor Leonhardt and Lucas Morton about the making of Taylor's new song "Hold Still" from her upcoming album. They discuss Taylor’s quest to dig deeper into the songwriting process for her second album, songs as streams of water always seeking new spaces to fill, and the imperfect magic of recording an album live in the room with other musicians.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew Miller talks with Taylor Leonhardt and Lucas Morton about the making of Taylor's new song "Hold Still" from her upcoming album. They discuss Taylor’s quest to dig deeper into the songwriting process for her second album, songs as streams of water always seeking new spaces to fill, and the imperfect magic of recording an album live in the room with other musicians.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E10: Taylor Leonhardt & Lucas Morton

Don Chaffer

Drew Miller talks with Don Chaffer about the song "Be Invisible" from his musical, The (Almost) Unforgettable Edwin Booth. They discuss the creativity to be found in the “fenced-in areas” of musical theater, the magic of seeing so many people bring your work to life on stage, and art as a way of practicing empathy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew Miller talks with Don Chaffer about the song "Be Invisible" from his musical, <a href="http://www.donchaffer.com/the-almost-unforgettable-edwin-booth-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The (Almost) Unforgettable Edwin Booth</a>. They discuss the creativity to be found in the “fenced-in areas” of musical theater, the magic of seeing so many people bring your work to life on stage, and art as a way of practicing empathy.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E9: Don Chaffer

Drew Miller talks with Ella Mine and Evan Redwine about the making of Ella's song, "Sound &amp; Fury." They discuss Ella’s process of discerning how to tell such a personal story in the form of a concept album, the integral role of Shakespeare in “Sound &amp; Fury,” and the tricky process of faithfully adapting a live performance into a crystallized record.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew Miller talks with Ella Mine and Evan Redwine about the making of Ella's song, "Sound &amp; Fury." They discuss Ella’s process of discerning how to tell such a personal story in the form of a concept album, the integral role of Shakespeare in “Sound &amp; Fury,” and the tricky process of faithfully adapting a live performance into a crystallized record.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E8: Ella Mine & Evan Redwine

Jeremy Casella

Ben Shive

Drew Miller talks with Jeremy Casella and Ben Shive about the making of Jeremy's song, "Many Waters." They discuss the magic of mixing high language with common vernacular—in both music and lyrics—and God’s utter lack of pretense. They also geek out over those delicious chords in the second verse.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew Miller talks with Jeremy Casella and Ben Shive about the making of Jeremy's song, "Many Waters." They discuss the magic of mixing high language with common vernacular—in both music and lyrics—and God’s utter lack of pretense. They also geek out over those delicious chords in the second verse.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E7: Jeremy Casella & Ben Shive

Becca Jordan

Lori Chaffer

Drew Miller talks with Becca Jordan and Lori Chaffer about the making of Becca's song, "Keeping Time." They discuss the catalyzing conflict between ideas and reality, the rhythms of confidence and insecurity over the course of making a song, and what it means to wait collectively.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew Miller talks with Becca Jordan and Lori Chaffer about the making of Becca's song, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/5SGTH7vNPnAq6h2Ybt4UmZ?si=j6HFpYS8TDCvEJSdFD25_w" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">"Keeping Time."</a> They discuss the catalyzing conflict between ideas and reality, the rhythms of confidence and insecurity over the course of making a song, and what it means to wait collectively.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E6: Becca Jordan & Lori Chaffer

Aedan Peterson

Drew, Asher, and Aedan discuss the gift of a blank page, the importance of beginning somewhere for the simple sake of beginning, and the indispensability of other people’s perspectives.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew, Asher, and Aedan discuss the gift of a blank page, the importance of beginning somewhere for the simple sake of beginning, and the indispensability of other people’s perspectives.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E5: Asher & Aedan Peterson (NAMO)

In Season 2, Episode 4, Drew Miller talks with Ben Shive about his album, The Cymbal Crashing Clouds, and together they break down his song "The Fire Pit." They discuss the scandal of parables, the indispensability of collaboration, and the implications of sabbath for the creative process.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In Season 2, Episode 4, Drew Miller talks with Ben Shive about his album, <a href="https://store.rabbitroom.com/products/the-cymbal-crashing-clouds?_pos=392&amp;_sid=a54df3e7f&amp;_ss=r&amp;variant=5293898691" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Cymbal Crashing Clouds</a>, and together they break down his song "The Fire Pit." They discuss the scandal of parables, the indispensability of collaboration, and the implications of sabbath for the creative process.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E4: Ben Shive

A great song is most often the result not of instantaneous inspiration, but of a long obedience to the call of the song. This podcast explores artists' and producers' confrontations with the "Second Muse," the muse of effort rather than of inspiration, and takes a good hard look at how they’ve chosen to contend with her.

J Lind

Drew, J, and Lucas discuss the necessity of listening to negative emotions while writing songs, the deceivingly difficult work of self-honesty, and the mutual contingency of beauty and suffering.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew, J, and Lucas discuss the necessity of listening to negative emotions while writing songs, the deceivingly difficult work of self-honesty, and the mutual contingency of beauty and suffering.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E3: J Lind & Lucas Morton

Andy Gullahorn

Drew and Andy discuss Andy’s abiding love of math, the silent power of omission, the symbiotic relationship between convention and invention, and several iterations of “The End of a World” that preceded the final record.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew and Andy discuss Andy’s abiding love of math, the silent power of omission, the symbiotic relationship between convention and invention, and several iterations of “The End of a World” that preceded the final record.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E2: Andy Gullahorn

Sara Groves

Brown Bannister

Drew, Sara, and Brown talk about the deceivingly difficult task of telling the truth in a record, the under-publicized connection between beauty and justice, and the magic of a well-written bridge.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew, Sara, and Brown talk about the deceivingly difficult task of telling the truth in a record, the under-publicized connection between beauty and justice, and the magic of a well-written bridge.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E1: Sara Groves & Brown Bannister

In this episode, Drew Miller interviews Andrew Osenga about his song, “Mercy.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Drew Miller interviews Andrew Osenga about his song, “Mercy.”See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

“Mercy” (Andrew Osenga)

In this episode, Drew is joined by his bandmate Janie Townsend and engineer Evan Redwine to discuss the making of The Orchardist’s album People, People—specifically the song “Drink It Down.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Drew is joined by his bandmate Janie Townsend and engineer Evan Redwine to discuss the making of The Orchardist’s album People, People—specifically the song “Drink It Down.”See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

“Drink It Down” (The Orchardist)

Drew is joined by Wild Harbors (Chris and Jenna Badeker) and Andrew Osenga to discuss their song, “Tomorrow Morning.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew is joined by Wild Harbors (Chris and Jenna Badeker) and Andrew Osenga to discuss their song, “Tomorrow Morning.”See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

“Tomorrow Morning” (Wild Harbors)

Drew is joined by Chris Slaten (stage name: Son of Laughter) and his producer, Ben Shive, to discuss Slaten’s song, “The Fiddler.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Drew is joined by Chris Slaten (stage name: Son of Laughter) and his producer, Ben Shive, to discuss Slaten’s song, “The Fiddler.”See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

“The Fiddler” (Son of Laughter & Ben Shive)

Jordy Searcy

Singer-songwriter Jordy Searcy and producer Lucas Morton discuss the evolution of Jordy’s song, “Explaining Jesus.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Singer-songwriter Jordy Searcy and producer Lucas Morton discuss the evolution of Jordy’s song, “Explaining Jesus.”See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

“Explaining Jesus” (Jordy Searcy & Lucas Morton)

Andrew Peterson

We discuss the storied evolution of Andrew Peterson’s “Maybe Next Year” from the album Resurrection Letters, Vol. 1.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We discuss the storied evolution of Andrew Peterson’s “Maybe Next Year” from the album Resurrection Letters, Vol. 1.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

“Maybe Next Year” (Andrew Peterson & Ben Shive)

I’m not even a songwriter, I’m just a regular writer, and I love this podcast. I love hearing my favorite songwriters talk about their craft and it is very encouraging just to hear about their different processes and experiences. It is helpful for all forms of art I think. 
I only wish it came more often!

Love listening to this:)

In every single episode of this I find myself musing on all the explaterant knowledge revealed. Drew Miller literally becomes interviews incarnate and asks questions that receive literal answers, and audibly. The art of musics are so big. It requires 2 separate muses and this podcast reveals all of them. Can there be more? Hope on that.

Can a 3rd Muse be far behind?

The Second Muse

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