Zach did not have a good relationship with his father. So bad was it that Zach found himself fantasizing about having a new dad. Maybe that was some sort of intuition of what was to come when he finally took a commercial DNA test that proved there was a new beginning out there for him.

Zach did not have a good relationship with his father. So bad was it that Zach found himself fantasizing about having a new dad. Maybe that was some sort of intuition of what was to come when he finally took a commercial DNA test that proved there was a new beginning out there for him.

Zach- And His New Dad

We have christened Lynn our first “crowded MPE”, there were that many people involved with her conception and cover up.  Lynn talks about her unusual origin story, struggles with identity and family dynamics.  And shares her one secret weapon to deal with the challenges.

We have christened Lynn our first “crowded MPE”, there were that many people involved with her conception and cover up.  Lynn talks about her unusual origin story, struggles with identity and family dynamics.  And shares her one secret weapon to deal with the challenges.

Lynn – And The Swap

Raised knowing he was adopted, Noah didn’t know much about his ancestry, ethnicity or birth parents until a birthday present helped him put the pieces together, along with five siblings.

Raised knowing he was adopted, Noah didn’t know much about his ancestry, ethnicity or birth parents until a birthday present helped him put the pieces together, along with five siblings.

Noah – And the Birthday Present

Tamara often felt she didn’t fit in with her family, which looked different than most since she was raised by her grandparents. A DNA test proved why she felt different and triggered a series of discoveries that changed her life both for the best and worst. Tamara shows us what resilience in the face of adversity looks like and relies on a positive attitude to cope with her MPE discovery.

Tamara often felt she didn’t fit in with her family, which looked different than most since she was raised by her grandparents. A DNA test proved why she felt different and triggered a series of discoveries that changed her life both for the best and worst. Tamara shows us what resilience in the face of adversity looks like and relies on a positive attitude to cope with her MPE discovery.

Tamara- And The Fisherman

Ryan Anderson largely ignored his adoption until the pandemic forced him to face how poorly he had been dealing with it since he found out just before his 18 th birthday – what’s called a Late Discovery Adoptee (LDA).  He jumped in with both feet, posting a video about his journey hoping it would help others living similar experiences and talks more specifically with us about the mental health impact.

Ryan Anderson largely ignored his adoption until the pandemic forced him to face how poorly he had been dealing with it since he found out just before his 18 th birthday – what’s called a Late Discovery Adoptee (LDA).  He jumped in with both feet, posting a video about his journey hoping it would help others living similar experiences and talks more specifically with us about the mental health impact.

Ryan – Finding His Life Story

Adoptions are part of the MPE universe, and set the stage for the non-paternal events to understand the process.  Jennifer had an intuition about her sense of not belonging in her family since she was quite young. What happens when your intuition turns out to be right? Turns out, you’re no better prepared for the emotional fall out.

Adoptions are part of the MPE universe, and set the stage for the non-paternal events to understand the process.  Jennifer had an intuition about her sense of not belonging in her family since she was quite young. What happens when your intuition turns out to be right? Turns out, you’re no better prepared for the emotional fall out.

Jennifer - I Think I'm Adopted!

Cassandra Adams was raised Italian and Catholic and never expected to find anything surprising in her DNA test.  What she found profoundly changed the direction of her life and fabric of her family relationships, not to mention identity and religious practices.  Get to know her journey through the business of secrecy and the advocacy work of Cassandra Adams.

Cassandra Adams was raised Italian and Catholic and never expected to find anything surprising in her DNA test.  What she found profoundly changed the direction of her life and fabric of her family relationships, not to mention identity and religious practices.  Get to know her journey through the business of secrecy and the advocacy work of Cassandra Adams.

Cassandra – And The Business of Secrecy

Christine learned of her NPE by mistake as a child, but the secret lay at the surface because her parents had a different secret to focus on: the swinging lifestyle. For Christine the discovery didn’t just tell her she had a different father, she was also a different race.

Christine learned of her NPE by mistake as a child, but the secret lay at the surface because her parents had a different secret to focus on: the swinging lifestyle. For Christine the discovery didn’t just tell her she had a different father, she was also a different race.

Christine - And The Light-Skinned Dancer

Julie Ryan

Julie was raised in a nice Irish Catholic family and knew from an early age she was adopted.  Perhaps unsurprisingly, there’s more to it than that, since our stories never end in the easy places.  

Julie was raised in a nice Irish Catholic family and knew from an early age she was adopted.  Perhaps unsurprisingly, there’s more to it than that, since our stories never end in the easy places.

Julie Ryan McGue - Twice A Daughter

Linda Wagner

In a rare treat, we get to share an interview with a biological parent.  It's rare for many reasons, but this is special because it's Allie's biological mother (previous episode).  You'll get to hear another side of this amazing story, equally as elegant and heart-warming as Allie's story.

In a rare treat, we get to share an interview with a biological parent.  It's rare for many reasons, but this is special because it's Allie's biological mother (previous episode).  You'll get to hear another side of this amazing story, equally as elegant and heart-warming as Allie's story.

Linda Wagner - And The Second Chance

A therapist and genealogical investigator narrate interviews with real people about their experiences with shocking DNA revelations like paternity fraud, Non-Paternal Events (NPE), donor conceptions and adoptions, whether discovered by a commercial DNA test or a known disclosure. Using a blend of humor, education and awe, these two friends make sense of one of the fastest growing segments of popular culture - the surprise DNA discovery. Hosted by Christina Bryan Fitzgibbons and Jodi Klugman-Rabb.

I discovered I was an NPE in February 2019 just ten days before I turned 31 and four months before my wedding.  My mom is an NPE also and I discovered I was an NPE while helping my mom find her biological father. There are several NPE’s on my newly discovered biological paternal side as well.  People don’t understand how this shakes one’s identity until they have walked through this, because of this I’m now writing a memoir about my experience.  I love listening to podcasts that give a voice to our community. #npe #npealicia

Great Discussions!

I just listened to two of the podcasts today &amp; loved them. I can’t wait to listen to more tomorrow.  A little sad to see that it’s not a weekly podcast. Hopefully it will be soon. 😉

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Sex, Lies & The Truth

Join hip psychotherapist, Jodi Klugman-Rabb and genealogical investigator, Christina Fitzgibbons as they explore the shocking results of DNA discoveries: misled, falsified or hidden parentage of Non-Parental Events (NPE), adoptions and donor conceptions. From sex, to the lie and the eventual truth we explore what makes DNA discoveries and who the real people are behind them.Contact Jodi at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com Contact Christina at www.dnasleuth.com or christina@dnasleuth.com.

Join hip psychotherapist, Jodi Klugman-Rabb and genealogical investigator, Christina Fitzgibbons as they explore the shocking results of DNA discoveries: misled, falsified or hidden parentage of Non-Parental Events (NPE), adoptions and donor conceptions. From sex, to the lie and the eventual truth we explore what makes DNA discoveries and who the real people are behind them. Contact Jodi at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a> Contact Christina at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a> or christina@dnasleuth.com.

Katie & "Joe from The Shore"

Anthony discovers he's Christina's cousin and wins the genealogy jackpot when she tracks down his biological parents.  Anthony talks about the outcome of a night on the river, what it feels like to be a secret, and being adopted.  Finding biological parents isn't always sunshine and roses; being in reunion is tricky business for some people - especially when they're not honest about the facts.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com.   Learn about how Christina works to find your family at www.dnasleuth.com

Anthony discovers he's Christina's cousin and wins the genealogy jackpot when she tracks down his biological parents.  Anthony talks about the outcome of a night on the river, what it feels like to be a secret, and being adopted.  Finding biological parents isn't always sunshine and roses; being in reunion is tricky business for some people - especially when they're not honest about the facts.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a>.   Learn about how Christina works to find your family at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a>

Anthony - Christina's Surprise Cousin

We promised a sequel to Katie and Joe From the Shore and here it is!  In this episode, you will learn if Joe is really Katie's father, the fall out with her mom and the lasting impact the discovery has made for Katie - hint - grief isn't just for those who lost someone through death. Be sure to listen to the end for another surprise, this time about Katie herself. We love surprises, now that our own DNA surprises are out of the way!Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com Learn about how Christina works to find your family at www.dnasleuth.com.

We promised a sequel to Katie and Joe From the Shore and here it is!  In this episode, you will learn if Joe is really Katie's father, the fall out with her mom and the lasting impact the discovery has made for Katie - hint - grief isn't just for those who lost someone through death. Be sure to listen to the end for another surprise, this time about Katie herself. We love surprises, now that our own DNA surprises are out of the way!Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a> Learn about how Christina works to find your family at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a>.

Katie - Part 2

Our second episode of season two is a fascinating story told by author and NPE, BK.  BK is far along in her process of discovering family and identity so tells her story with a soothing calm to make you feel your mind was just massaged. Learn about tenacity, gambling, the importance of the Social Security Administration and what happens when the other shoe drops.  If you believe in the paranormal we have an added bit at the end just for you.  BK writes as well as she speaks so you'll love her recent article for the Huffington Post.  She has also just launched the digital Severance Magazine devoted to the NPE community, with a little interview featuring our own Jodi Klugman-Rabb.  Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com.   Learn about how Christina works to find your family at www.dnasleuth.com

Our second episode of season two is a fascinating story told by author and NPE, BK.  BK is far along in her process of discovering family and identity so tells her story with a soothing calm to make you feel your mind was just massaged. Learn about tenacity, gambling, the importance of the Social Security Administration and what happens when the other shoe drops.  If you believe in the paranormal we have an added bit at the end just for you.  BK writes as well as she speaks so you'll love her recent article for the Huffington Post.  She has also just launched the digital Severance Magazine devoted to the NPE community, with a little interview featuring our own Jodi Klugman-Rabb.  Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a>.   Learn about how Christina works to find your family at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a>

BK - And the Other Shoe

It’s all in the family with episode 1 of season 2. Karen shares her story of NPE discovery – discovering she Jewish while traveling on a train in Europe, what it was like engaging mom in the truth, and learning about her biological father from three new brothers. One of those brothers shares his discovery of Karen and how he and his siblings found a stronger bond amongst themselves from finding her.  Karen’s cousin also shares the perspective of the new family being contacted, with advice on how to approach it if you’re the family being contacted.  This is an encouraging tale of family listening and embracing new members.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com Learn about how Christina works to find your family at www.dnasleuth.com.  www.sexliesandthetruth.com

It’s all in the family with episode 1 of season 2. Karen shares her story of NPE discovery – discovering she Jewish while traveling on a train in Europe, what it was like engaging mom in the truth, and learning about her biological father from three new brothers. One of those brothers shares his discovery of Karen and how he and his siblings found a stronger bond amongst themselves from finding her.  Karen’s cousin also shares the perspective of the new family being contacted, with advice on how to approach it if you’re the family being contacted.  This is an encouraging tale of family listening and embracing new members.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a> Learn about how Christina works to find your family at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a>.  <a href="http://www.sexliesandthetruth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.sexliesandthetruth.com</a>

Karen - Welcome to the Tribe

Jodi calls it intuition, adoption work refers to it as the inalienable bond of biology.  The undeniable but perplexing instinct that we don't fit in seems to play a big role in many Parental Identifier/NPE experiences.  Sky Nelson-Isaacs, physicist and musician, explains his theory on synchronicity and flow and how it relates to healing the pain of disconnection and grief - central characteristics of discovering misled and falsified parentage.Fresh off the release of his new book, Living in Flow: The Science of Synchronicity and How Your Choices Shape Your World, we interview Sky on how his work relates to the NPE experience and explains the seemingly random events that lead to our discoveries.  You'll learn about the importance of the apple tree, the use of metaphor and the LORRAX - not the Dr. Seuss kind.A special musical bonus at the end  - we play out the podcast with Sky's original song, Stand for Me, that feels like it was written specifically for the Parental Identity Discovery™ community.  Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com.  Learn about how Christina works to find your family at www.dnasleuth.com.  Reach Sky at www.facebook.com/skynelsonisaacs/ and www.livinginflowbook.com

Jodi calls it intuition, adoption work refers to it as the inalienable bond of biology.  The undeniable but perplexing instinct that we don't fit in seems to play a big role in many Parental Identifier/NPE experiences.  Sky Nelson-Isaacs, physicist and musician, explains his theory on synchronicity and flow and how it relates to healing the pain of disconnection and grief - central characteristics of discovering misled and falsified parentage.Fresh off the release of his new book, Living in Flow: The Science of Synchronicity and How Your Choices Shape Your World, we interview Sky on how his work relates to the NPE experience and explains the seemingly random events that lead to our discoveries.  You'll learn about the importance of the apple tree, the use of metaphor and the LORRAX - not the Dr. Seuss kind.A special musical bonus at the end  - we play out the podcast with Sky's original song, Stand for Me, that feels like it was written specifically for the Parental Identity Discovery™ community.  Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a>.  Learn about how Christina works to find your family at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a>.  Reach Sky at <a href="http://www.facebook.com/skynelsonisaacs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/skynelsonisaacs/</a> and <a href="http://www.livinginflowbook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.livinginflowbook.com</a>

Synchronicity with Sky

Catherine The Great

Most people freak out when they discover DNA revelations like your parent really isn't your biological parent.  Catherine did that too, but transitioned that feeling into an online support community for Not Parent Expected (what I call Parental Identity Discovery™) called DNA NPE Gateway on Facebook.  It has received a ton of national media attention ranging from articles in the Atlantic to appearances on Dr. Oz, CBS This Morning and The Today Show, to name a few.Catherine joins the podcast to discuss the personal impact of Parental Identity Discovery™ and the real reason people take the chance to reach out and connect with newly discovered biological family. She takes us through the groups plans to expand their legal influence and makes a great plug for therapy.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com. Learn about how Christina works to find your family at www.dnasleuth.com.   Find Catherine's group at DNA NPE Gateway.  Admittance is granted upon answering a few questions to verify NPE status.

Most people freak out when they discover DNA revelations like your parent really isn't your biological parent.  Catherine did that too, but transitioned that feeling into an online support community for Not Parent Expected (what I call Parental Identity Discovery™) called DNA NPE Gateway on Facebook.  It has received a ton of national media attention ranging from articles in the Atlantic to appearances on Dr. Oz, CBS This Morning and The Today Show, to name a few.Catherine joins the podcast to discuss the personal impact of Parental Identity Discovery™ and the real reason people take the chance to reach out and connect with newly discovered biological family. She takes us through the groups plans to expand their legal influence and makes a great plug for therapy.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a>. Learn about how Christina works to find your family at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a>.   Find Catherine's group at DNA NPE Gateway.  Admittance is granted upon answering a few questions to verify NPE status.

Join the wild and funny ride as we learn from Aaryn the surprising benefits of scouring through phone books to find her biological father.  Aaryn has a rich history spanning intergenerational custody, foster care and biological family that will warm your heart.  We know not all family relationships are sunshine and roses, but the relationship Aaryn has with her newly discovered biological sister, Jen, is everything you want it to be.  If this one doesn't get you wanting to research more of your ancestry, you have no heart.See pictures of our interviews and family trees on the podcast webpage www.sexliesandthetruth.com.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com. Learn about how Christina works to find your family at www.dnasleuth.com.

Join the wild and funny ride as we learn from Aaryn the surprising benefits of scouring through phone books to find her biological father.  Aaryn has a rich history spanning intergenerational custody, foster care and biological family that will warm your heart.  We know not all family relationships are sunshine and roses, but the relationship Aaryn has with her newly discovered biological sister, Jen, is everything you want it to be.  If this one doesn't get you wanting to research more of your ancestry, you have no heart.See pictures of our interviews and family trees on the podcast webpage www.sexliesandthetruth.com.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a>. Learn about how Christina works to find your family at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a>.

Aaryn and "Sperm Donor Gary"

Jodi discovered her own DNA story in 2017, when she met her older brother, Sean. In this episode Sean talks with the dynamic duo over the phone about the impact of discovering hidden family on the kids and spouses as well as finding his secret sister.Jodi and Sean's story is a happy one, where everyone feels better for having met one another and is nurturing a strong bond.  It's unusual in that happy ending, but every happy ending comes with some struggle.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com. Learn about how Christina works to find your family at www.dnasleuth.com.

Jodi discovered her own DNA story in 2017, when she met her older brother, Sean. In this episode Sean talks with the dynamic duo over the phone about the impact of discovering hidden family on the kids and spouses as well as finding his secret sister.Jodi and Sean's story is a happy one, where everyone feels better for having met one another and is nurturing a strong bond.  It's unusual in that happy ending, but every happy ending comes with some struggle.Learn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a>. Learn about how Christina works to find your family at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a>.

Sean - Long Time Listener, First Time Caller

Meet AJ, an adoptee who survived a heart attack and used it as motivation to find the biological family he always wondered about. He'll explain the process of balancing the known/adoptive family while searching for and meeting the biological family and the amazing outcome.  Learn more about AJ's work to help adoptees and support heart health at www.adrianjones.meLearn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at www.jkrabb.com or www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com Learn about how Christina works to find your family at www.dnasleuth.com

Meet AJ, an adoptee who survived a heart attack and used it as motivation to find the biological family he always wondered about. He'll explain the process of balancing the known/adoptive family while searching for and meeting the biological family and the amazing outcome.  Learn more about AJ's work to help adoptees and support heart health at www.adrianjones.meLearn more about Jodi's work with fellow NPE and Parental Identity Discovery™ at <a href="http://www.jkrabb.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.jkrabb.com</a> or <a href="http://www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.parentalidentitydiscovery.com</a> Learn about how Christina works to find your family at <a href="http://www.dnasleuth.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.dnasleuth.com</a>

AJ and Adoption

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