The recording from our live episode at Revoice 23 is finally here. Recording in the month of June, we thought it only appropriate to talk about reclaiming Pride. What is our place in pride as Side B Christians? There are a lot of gold moments in this episode and our intern, Jacob, joins us as the host! 

The recording from our live episode at Revoice 23 is finally here. Recording in the month of June, we thought it only appropriate to talk about reclaiming Pride. What is our place in pride as Side B Christians? There are a lot of gold moments in this episode and our intern, Jacob, joins us as the host!

S5E9 | The Cohosts on Reclaiming Pride (Live from Revoice)

To finish out our mini-series, Bekah and Grant get together to talk about glorification. What are we moving toward? Will we still be queer in the Kingdom? Also hear Josh's spontaneous drop in to give a thought. You know he can't stay away from a theological discussion.  

To finish out our mini-series, Bekah and Grant get together to talk about glorification. What are we moving toward? Will we still be queer in the Kingdom? Also hear Josh's spontaneous drop in to give a thought. You know he can't stay away from a theological discussion.

S5E8 | Bekah and Grant on Glorification

This is the third episode in our four part mini-series on the Gospel arch and how it relates to the queer experience. Elizabeth and Henry take us to church on what it means to be saved by Jesus, bringing wisdom from their experience as black and latino queer people. The conversation was so good that Josh could not help but step into the episode for a bit.

This is the third episode in our four part mini-series on the Gospel arch and how it relates to the queer experience. Elizabeth and Henry take us to church on what it means to be saved by Jesus, bringing wisdom from their experience as black and latino queer people. The conversation was so good that Josh could not help but step into the episode for a bit.

S5E7 | Elizabeth and Henry on Justification

We were a little delayed in getting this episode posted but it is finally here! Josh and Bekah are joined by our intern Jacob to talk about the theology around sin and the Fall and how it relates to our experiences as queer Christians. 

We were a little delayed in getting this episode posted but it is finally here! Josh and Bekah are joined by our intern Jacob to talk about the theology around sin and the Fall and how it relates to our experiences as queer Christians.

S5E6 | Jacob, Bekah, and Josh on Sin

We are starting a min-series for the next four episodes looking at the theology around the topics of creation, fall, redemption, and glorification and how they relate to the queer experience. In this episode, Ashley, Grant and Josh talk about the theology of creation, the Image of God and queerness.

We are starting a min-series for the next four episodes looking at the theology around the topics of creation, fall, redemption, and glorification and how they relate to the queer experience. In this episode, Ashley, Grant and Josh talk about the theology of creation, the Image of God and queerness.

S5E5 | Ashley, Grant, and Josh on Creation

Josh talks with Ashley and Elizabeth about their experiences of femininity and what is biblical femininity.    The resources mentioned in this episode include:  Ruby Slippers: How the Soul of a Woman Brings Her Home by Jonalyn Grace Fincher The Biblical World of Gender: The Daily Lives of Ancient Women and Men Redeeming Sex by Debra Hirsch https://www.instagram.com/p/Cnk-QGNJWSv/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ%3D%3D

Josh talks with Ashley and Elizabeth about their experiences of femininity and what is biblical femininity.  The resources mentioned in this episode include:  <ul><li>Ruby Slippers: How the Soul of a Woman Brings Her Home by Jonalyn Grace Fincher</li> <li>The Biblical World of Gender: The Daily Lives of Ancient Women and Men</li> <li>Redeeming Sex by Debra Hirsch</li> <li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/Cnk-QGNJWSv/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ%3D%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/p/Cnk-QGNJWSv/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ%3D%3D</a></li></ul>

S5E4 | Ashley, Elizabeth, and Josh on Reclaiming Femininity

Henry and Grant get together to kiki about experiences of masculinity. Gay men are often seen as lacking in masculinity. How do we reclaim it? Don't miss their conversation which includes crop tops, fitness and nipples.    You can see the video that Henry mentions at the beginning here.

Henry and Grant get together to kiki about experiences of masculinity. Gay men are often seen as lacking in masculinity. How do we reclaim it? Don't miss their conversation which includes crop tops, fitness and nipples.  You can see the video that Henry mentions at the beginning <a href="https://l.messenger.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fhenryabuto%2Fstatus%2F1641298292582625280%3Fs%3D46%26t%3Ds7n-uFtuTZkda4VckIpdVA&amp;h=AT2q_tJzM9d5crCQuZVk6hNYaPPRNESvNnpimSnQl-UYmB5T8hFUetx5Ynf-y2-Y3quZ08YRJ-_cSalcjzsgsDAtv6AK7mvyomF2g3bqnxVpk3WrIVHzdnPBZF-Y9_bO-Mg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.

S5E3 | Henry and Grant on Reclaiming Masculinity

Elizabeth and Grant go live from the Brian Eckstein Podcast Stage at QCF 2023! They talk about what it looks like to reclaim intimacy as queer Christians and more specifically Side B Christians. Is intimacy primarily about sex? What does intimacy look like outside sexual relationships? What can the broader LGBT+ Christian community glean from the experience of Side B Christians with intimacy? The cohosts share from their experience and engage with questions from the audience. Thanks to QCF for having us once again!

Elizabeth and Grant go live from the Brian Eckstein Podcast Stage at QCF 2023! They talk about what it looks like to reclaim intimacy as queer Christians and more specifically Side B Christians. Is intimacy primarily about sex? What does intimacy look like outside sexual relationships? What can the broader LGBT+ Christian community glean from the experience of Side B Christians with intimacy? The cohosts share from their experience and engage with questions from the audience. Thanks to QCF for having us once again!

S5E2 | Elizabeth and Grant on Reclaiming Intimacy (QCF 23 LIVE)

Season 5 is finally here! After a delay in recording, the cohosts are back to talk about our new season theme: reclaiming. What does it look like to take ahold of the truth of the things that have been weaponized against us?

Season 5 is finally here! After a delay in recording, the cohosts are back to talk about our new season theme: reclaiming. What does it look like to take ahold of the truth of the things that have been weaponized against us?

S5E1 | The Cohosts on Reclaiming

The cohosts recorded a live episode at Revoice 22 to finish out the season. We ran into some technical difficulties so the cohosts recorded some extra content during a retreat. They talk about what they learned this season and answer questions from the audience. Listen till the end to hear some exciting announcements!

The cohosts recorded a live episode at Revoice 22 to finish out the season. We ran into some technical difficulties so the cohosts recorded some extra content during a retreat. They talk about what they learned this season and answer questions from the audience. Listen till the end to hear some exciting announcements!

S4E22 | Season 4 Finale LIVE from Revoice...and Connecticut!?

Exploring the joy, beauty, and challenges of living in the traditional sexual ethic as LGBT+/SSA Christians.

This podcast allows a safe place to hear and allow the discussion of faith and sexuality to take place. They have expressed real thoughts and internal battles. Thank you for allowing feedback and having the conversations that are hard to have :)

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We need more people speaking about this. There are many people willing to speak about church teaching on lgbt issues, but very few that give any sort of help or guidance to those who are living with it. People in the church talk about us alot. This podcast talks to us. So many of us who have an lgbt experience who want to follow church teaching have to figure out everything on out own. Thanks to this podcast we are not all on our own anymore.

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Life on Side B

Today, I am talking with Dean Samuels about his experience as a queer man married to a straight woman. In recent years, heterosexual marriages which involve one or more persons with non-straight sexual orientations have come to be referred to as "mixed-orientation marriages." Dean is here sharing his experience in heterosexual marriage as a man primarily attracted to men as well as sharing advice for others navigating mixed orientation marriages or interested in pursuing one.  Dean is a pastor at a church in the midwest, has been married for more than 5 years, is the father to a beautiful little girl, and is also a contributing author to the blog, Your Other Brothers. You can read his writings on the Your Other Brothers blog here. Also, in case you are looking for a resource to help with mixed-orientation marriages, Dean did not mention it in the episode but he really recommends couples check out The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work by John Gottman. While the book does not discuss mixed orientation marriages specifically, it holds a lot of great advice and principles that have helped Dean navigate his own marriage. You can buy it on Amazon here. Theme Music credit: "Driven to Success" by Scott Holmes

Today, I am talking with Dean Samuels about his experience as a queer man married to a straight woman. In recent years, heterosexual marriages which involve one or more persons with non-straight sexual orientations have come to be referred to as "mixed-orientation marriages." Dean is here sharing his experience in heterosexual marriage as a man primarily attracted to men as well as sharing advice for others navigating mixed orientation marriages or interested in pursuing one.  Dean is a pastor at a church in the midwest, has been married for more than 5 years, is the father to a beautiful little girl, and is also a contributing author to the blog, Your Other Brothers. You can read his writings on the Your Other Brothers blog <a href="https://www.yourotherbrothers.com/author/dean/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>. Also, in case you are looking for a resource to help with mixed-orientation marriages, Dean did not mention it in the episode but he really recommends couples check out The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work by John Gottman. While the book does not discuss mixed orientation marriages specifically, it holds a lot of great advice and principles that have helped Dean navigate his own marriage. You can buy it on Amazon <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Seven-Principles-Making-Marriage-Work/dp/0609805797" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>. Theme Music credit: "Driven to Success" by Scott Holmes

S1E4 | Dean on Mixed Orientation Marriage

Max has been with his partner, Jonathan, for 8 years. In today's episode, he shared about his experience in a celibate partnership as well as what he has learned over the last 8 years. A celibate partnership is a committed relationship between two queer people committed to pursuing celibacy together, normally because of a share conviction of the traditional Christian sexual ethic. This is an episode you won't want to miss.   Music: Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes

Max has been with his partner, Jonathan, for 8 years. In today's episode, he shared about his experience in a celibate partnership as well as what he has learned over the last 8 years. A celibate partnership is a committed relationship between two queer people committed to pursuing celibacy together, normally because of a share conviction of the traditional Christian sexual ethic. This is an episode you won't want to miss. Music: Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes

S1E16 | Max on Celibate Partnerships

This week, I am talking with Matt about celibate partnerships and what that looks like in the lives of LGBT+ Christians. A celibate partnership is a committed relationship between two queer people committed to pursuing celibacy together, normally because of a share conviction of the traditional Christian sexual ethic. Matt shares about his own partnership, what he has learned through his partnership, and the blessings and difficulties he and his partner have faced along the way. Celibate partnerships have been one of the most criticized issues within the Side B movement and not even all Side B Christians themselves agree on the topic, yet regardless, it is a major way many Side B Christians have found a source of community. So it is important that we listen to the voices of those who are in partnerships and how those partnerships have supported their faith.    Music: Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes

This week, I am talking with Matt about celibate partnerships and what that looks like in the lives of LGBT+ Christians. A celibate partnership is a committed relationship between two queer people committed to pursuing celibacy together, normally because of a share conviction of the traditional Christian sexual ethic. Matt shares about his own partnership, what he has learned through his partnership, and the blessings and difficulties he and his partner have faced along the way. Celibate partnerships have been one of the most criticized issues within the Side B movement and not even all Side B Christians themselves agree on the topic, yet regardless, it is a major way many Side B Christians have found a source of community. So it is important that we listen to the voices of those who are in partnerships and how those partnerships have supported their faith.  Music: Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes

S1E15 | Matt on Celibate Partnerships

Today, David Gill and I are reviewing the book, Costly Obedience by Mark Yarhouse and Olya Zaporozhets. The conversation was so good that it was hard to edit it down to one episode so this conversation is being separated into two parts.  David Gill is a graduate of Covenant Seminary (’15) and a life-long musician whose current hobbies include leading worship and scoring silent films from 1915-1929. He is the current music director for the Revoice conference, and he looks to build bridges in the arts and LGBT communities with the Church.     Books Mentioned:  Yarhouse, Mark, and Olya Zaporozhets. Costly Obedience: What We Can Learn from the Celibate Gay Christian Community. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2019.    Music:  1. Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes

Today, David Gill and I are reviewing the book, Costly Obedience by Mark Yarhouse and Olya Zaporozhets. The conversation was so good that it was hard to edit it down to one episode so this conversation is being separated into two parts.  David Gill is a graduate of Covenant Seminary (’15) and a life-long musician whose current hobbies include leading worship and scoring silent films from 1915-1929. He is the current music director for the Revoice conference, and he looks to build bridges in the arts and LGBT communities with the Church. Books Mentioned:  Yarhouse, Mark, and Olya Zaporozhets. Costly Obedience: What We Can Learn from the Celibate Gay Christian Community. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2019.  Music:  1. Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes

S1E11 | David on Costly Obedience, Part 1

In today's episode, Grant is interviewing Ashley about how she has come out. They talk about what it means to "come out," the complexities of coming out depending on a person's situation, and the reality of second adolescence. Ashley also shares about the uniqueness of coming out as bisexual. You won't want to miss a minute of their conversation.

In today's episode, Grant is interviewing Ashley about how she has come out. They talk about what it means to "come out," the complexities of coming out depending on a person's situation, and the reality of second adolescence. Ashley also shares about the uniqueness of coming out as bisexual. You won't want to miss a minute of their conversation.

S2E3 | Ashley on Coming Out (w/ Grant)

It has been 6 months and we are finally finishing season 1 of the podcast. Today I am joined by Ashley and we are looking back over this season, talking about why community and belonging was chosen as the first theme, and sharing our favorite moments. Plus, we are spilling the tea on what's coming up in season 2 including the new theme, a new format for the podcast, and a special event coming in January. 

It has been 6 months and we are finally finishing season 1 of the podcast. Today I am joined by Ashley and we are looking back over this season, talking about why community and belonging was chosen as the first theme, and sharing our favorite moments. Plus, we are spilling the tea on what's coming up in season 2 including the new theme, a new format for the podcast, and a special event coming in January.

S1E18 | Josh and Ashley on Season 1 and What's Next

This week we are circling back with five of our guests from this season to ask questions sent in by listeners. I got to talk to Meg about non-Christians within intentional community spaces, Melinda about her experience coming out at 34, Dean and Lisa about emotional attachment and martial infidelity, and Matt about the relationship between celibate partnerships and marriage.  Per the conversation with Dean and Lisa, here is a list of some LGBT+ Side B friendly counseling services that might be helpful for anyone single or married in need of counseling. As we said in the episode, make sure you find a counselor that is right for you and that you feel comfortable with.  Global Counseling Network - www.globalcounselingnetwork.com New Hope Counseling Center - www.newhopecounseling.com Hopewell Counseling - www.hopewellmin.org Arrow Advising - www.arrowheadadvising.com Henegar Counseling Center - henegarcc.com E91 Counseling Center - https://www.east91st.org/ministries/counseling/   Music from this episode by Scott Holmes. 

This week we are circling back with five of our guests from this season to ask questions sent in by listeners. I got to talk to Meg about non-Christians within intentional community spaces, Melinda about her experience coming out at 34, Dean and Lisa about emotional attachment and martial infidelity, and Matt about the relationship between celibate partnerships and marriage.  Per the conversation with Dean and Lisa, here is a list of some LGBT+ Side B friendly counseling services that might be helpful for anyone single or married in need of counseling. As we said in the episode, make sure you find a counselor that is right for you and that you feel comfortable with.  <ul><li>Global Counseling Network - <a href="http://www.globalcounselingnetwork.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.globalcounselingnetwork.com</a></li> <li>New Hope Counseling Center - <a href="http://www.newhopecounseling.com/?fbclid=IwAR2hIbA1NIYsG4M4bhABtk40Dzbf_2k17jzu4BkSygf4OuDNZb_uQ6Wgon8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.newhopecounseling.com</a></li> <li>Hopewell Counseling - <a href="https://www.hopewellmin.org/?fbclid=IwAR3LJPLjeHsTIDLSjbTPyh4LnNG_Oe7EGU3jXXEhrpzCWFE90tFOPs7ETj4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.hopewellmin.org</a></li> <li>Arrow Advising - <a href="https://www.arrowheadadvising.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.arrowheadadvising.com</a></li> <li>Henegar Counseling Center - <a href="https://henegarcc.com/?fbclid=IwAR2lcaY2tfsBmjmWuMfTqkxYwxO7CHn3UnPOvxBXHUz6CoOlfG3Ywnw4rAs" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">henegarcc.com</a></li> <li>E91 Counseling Center - <a href="https://www.east91st.org/ministries/counseling/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.east91st.org/ministries/counseling/</a></li> <li></li> </ul> Music from this episode by Scott Holmes.

S1E17 | Question and Response

Today, we are returning to the topic of mixed orientation marriage for one last episode this season. I am talking with Meredith, a queer black woman married to a straight white man. She is a self-identified nerd who loves science, and she is here to share about her experience faith, sexuality, as well as race issues. You will want to listen to the whole episode cause we have a fun time at the end talking about celebrity crushes and giving some "Dear Straight People" letters. You can follow on twitter @QueerXtian and you can contact her through her email, queer.female.xtian@gmail.com

Today, we are returning to the topic of mixed orientation marriage for one last episode this season. I am talking with Meredith, a queer black woman married to a straight white man. She is a self-identified nerd who loves science, and she is here to share about her experience faith, sexuality, as well as race issues. You will want to listen to the whole episode cause we have a fun time at the end talking about celebrity crushes and giving some "Dear Straight People" letters. You can follow on twitter @QueerXtian and you can contact her through her email, queer.female.xtian@gmail.com

S1E7 | Meredith on Mixed Orientation Marriage: A Queer POC Perspective

So we are trying something new called Side B Detours, where I and whoever I decide to join me just talk for 15 to 25 minutes on whatever topic or issue we want to not related to the season theme. For this first Detour, I invited Michelle Newbold back to share about her experience at Revoice since she shared about her anticipation for it in Episode 3. I also share about some things I have been reflecting on since Revoice like the question, "What keeps me Side B?" You can follow Michelle on instagram @themichellenewbold or follow her at themichellenewbold.com. Also check out her blog post on Revoice called "Straight Girl, Gay Conference".

So we are trying something new called Side B Detours, where I and whoever I decide to join me just talk for 15 to 25 minutes on whatever topic or issue we want to not related to the season theme. For this first Detour, I invited Michelle Newbold back to share about her experience at Revoice since she shared about her anticipation for it in Episode 3. I also share about some things I have been reflecting on since Revoice like the question, "What keeps me Side B?" You can follow Michelle on instagram @themichellenewbold or follow her at <a href="http://themichellenewbold.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">themichellenewbold.com</a>. Also check out her blog post on Revoice called "<a href="https://themichellenewbold.com/2019/06/12/straight-girl-gay-conference/?fbclid=IwAR2oXWOVhUZWSOQoD5wIQzdJ48I8oCCqEk0xXGcDIeHDaGwpcyl-3maTiX4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Straight Girl, Gay Conference</a>".

Side B Detour | Post Revoice Reflections

On today's episode, Grant is talking with Bridget Eileen about LGBT+ victimization in the church and the criticism we as Side B Christians face from both the conservative church and other LGBT+ individuals. She discusses the book she is writing on this topic along with the importance of keeping our focus on the Gospel that Jesus alone saves.  You can follow her on Twitter @TravelingNun and follow her blog at https://bridgeteileenrivera.com/ Learn more about her upcoming book at http://bridgeteileenrivera.com/heavy-burdens-unpacking-legacy-lgbtq-discrimination-church/ Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes

On today's episode, Grant is talking with Bridget Eileen about LGBT+ victimization in the church and the criticism we as Side B Christians face from both the conservative church and other LGBT+ individuals. She discusses the book she is writing on this topic along with the importance of keeping our focus on the Gospel that Jesus alone saves.  You can follow her on Twitter @TravelingNun and follow her blog at <a href="https://bridgeteileenrivera.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://bridgeteileenrivera.com/</a> Learn more about her upcoming book at <a href="http://bridgeteileenrivera.com/heavy-burdens-unpacking-legacy-lgbtq-discrimination-church/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://bridgeteileenrivera.com/heavy-burdens-unpacking-legacy-lgbtq-discrimination-church/</a> Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes

S2E5 | Bridget on Victimization and Criticism (w/ Grant)

Today, I am joined by Seth Touchton as my cohost and we are talking with Lesli Hudson-Reynolds about their experience as a genderqueer person. We are discussing trans issues and what it looks like in Lesli's life to be Side B. Many people are nervous to approach trans issues and are unsure how to walk along side non-cisgender individuals in their life. We hope that you can approach this episode with listening ears and a humble posture.  Lesli is currently serving as Gender Identity Ministry Director for Lead Them Home. Lesli mentors youth &amp; adults seeking God's will in their gender identity. They are also developing a resource designed to thoughtfully engage church leadership in the gender conversation. Prior to joining the LTH team, Lesli spent 15 years on the road and in regional theatre as Production Stage Manager for numerous Broadway musicals, ballets, and plays. They still escape to NY to see shows whenever possible. If you want to get in contact with Lesli, you can contact them at lesli@leadthemhome.org.

Today, I am joined by Seth Touchton as my cohost and we are talking with Lesli Hudson-Reynolds about their experience as a genderqueer person. We are discussing trans issues and what it looks like in Lesli's life to be Side B. Many people are nervous to approach trans issues and are unsure how to walk along side non-cisgender individuals in their life. We hope that you can approach this episode with listening ears and a humble posture.  Lesli is currently serving as Gender Identity Ministry Director for Lead Them Home. Lesli mentors youth &amp; adults seeking God's will in their gender identity. They are also developing a resource designed to thoughtfully engage church leadership in the gender conversation. Prior to joining the LTH team, Lesli spent 15 years on the road and in regional theatre as Production Stage Manager for numerous Broadway musicals, ballets, and plays. They still escape to NY to see shows whenever possible. If you want to get in contact with Lesli, you can contact them at lesli@leadthemhome.org.

S1E6 | Lesli on Being Genderqueer

Today's episode is a little different. Josh is joined by one of his best friend, Michelle Newbold. This week, Josh is sharing a little bit about his story of navigating sexuality and faith, and Josh and Michelle are discussing what it looks like to find community and belonging among family, both biological and adopted, and friends.  You can follow Michelle on instagram @themichellenewbold or follow her at themichellenewbold.com. Theme Music credit: "Driven to Success" by Scott Holmes

Today's episode is a little different. Josh is joined by one of his best friend, Michelle Newbold. This week, Josh is sharing a little bit about his story of navigating sexuality and faith, and Josh and Michelle are discussing what it looks like to find community and belonging among family, both biological and adopted, and friends.  You can follow Michelle on instagram @themichellenewbold or follow her at <a href="http://themichellenewbold.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">themichellenewbold.com</a>. Theme Music credit: "Driven to Success" by Scott Holmes

S1E3 | Josh and Michelle on Family and Friendship

I have been excited to get Laurence on the podcast because he brings an amazing perspective on a wide range of topics from community to identity. More than anything our conversation impacted me with what he shared on the importance to look for how we can serve those we are in community with rather than how they can serve us. So often we go into community looking for how others can help us but Jesus calls us to another way of living. You can contact Laurence at laurencekoo@gmail.com   Born and raised in the Netherlands, Laurence studied dentistry at the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam. After his graduation he worked part time on staff with a college ministry and part time as a dentist. After 6 years he left dentistry to focus on helping students and young professionals grow in their faith and become disciples of Jesus. Laurence has served in different leadership position in collegiate ministry in the Netherlands for 14 years. After that he moved to Colorado Spring in the US to work for the same mission organization. He is responsible for the training and development for next generation US missionaries before and on the field. He is also an international speaker and consultant on the topics of sexuality and LGBTQ.   Music: 1. Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes 2. 18:21 - Stomps and Claps by Scott Holmes 3. 43:15 - Teamwork by Scott Holmes

I have been excited to get Laurence on the podcast because he brings an amazing perspective on a wide range of topics from community to identity. More than anything our conversation impacted me with what he shared on the importance to look for how we can serve those we are in community with rather than how they can serve us. So often we go into community looking for how others can help us but Jesus calls us to another way of living. You can contact Laurence at <a href="mailto:laurencekoo@gmail.com">laurencekoo@gmail.com</a> Born and raised in the Netherlands, Laurence studied dentistry at the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam. After his graduation he worked part time on staff with a college ministry and part time as a dentist. After 6 years he left dentistry to focus on helping students and young professionals grow in their faith and become disciples of Jesus. Laurence has served in different leadership position in collegiate ministry in the Netherlands for 14 years. After that he moved to Colorado Spring in the US to work for the same mission organization. He is responsible for the training and development for next generation US missionaries before and on the field. He is also an international speaker and consultant on the topics of sexuality and LGBTQ. Music: 1. Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes 2. 18:21 - Stomps and Claps by Scott Holmes 3. 43:15 - Teamwork by Scott Holmes

S1E13 | Laurence on Self-Sacrificial Living in Community

Julia Sadusky

On this episode, Mary is interviewing Dr. Julia Sadusky on mental health and loneliness. Dr. Sadusky has worked with Mark Yarhouse on multiple books and projects related to sexual orientation and gender identity. She did her disseration on loneliness in the lives of celibate gay Christians. Dr. Sadusky is sharing with us some of the results of her work as well as advice for Side B Christians who want to improve their mental health.  If you want to contact Dr. Julia Sadusky, you can email her at drsadusky@gmail.com. Publications mentioned in the episode: The summary of Dr. Sadusky's dissertation research on Spiritual Friendships can be found here. "Approaching Gender Dysphoria" (Grove Ethics) can be purchased on Amazon here. "Understanding Transgender Identities: Four Views" (Baker Academic) can be purchased on Amazon here. "A Christian View of Sex Reassignment Surgery and Hormone Therapy” (The Center for Faith, Sexuality and Gender) - https://centerforfaith.com/blog/how-should-christians-respond-to-sex-reassignment-surgery-and-hormone-therapy Her upcoming book, "Emerging Gender Identities", releases August 18th, 2020. You can purchase it at here.  As discussed in the episode, if you are having suicidal thoughts, make sure to contact your therapist or call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (800-273-8255) or the Trevor Project (866-488-7386).  Here is a list of some LGBT+ Side B friendly counseling services that might be helpful for anyone single or married in need of counseling. As we said in the episode, make sure you find a counselor that is right for you and that you feel comfortable with.  Global Counseling Network - www.globalcounselingnetwork.com New Hope Counseling Center - www.newhopecounseling.com Hopewell Counseling - www.hopewellmin.org Arrow Advising - www.arrowheadadvising.com Henegar Counseling Center - henegarcc.com E91 Counseling Center - https://www.east91st.org/ministries/counseling/ Caring Well Counseling - https://caringwell.net/ 

On this episode, Mary is interviewing Dr. Julia Sadusky on mental health and loneliness. Dr. Sadusky has worked with Mark Yarhouse on multiple books and projects related to sexual orientation and gender identity. She did her disseration on loneliness in the lives of celibate gay Christians. Dr. Sadusky is sharing with us some of the results of her work as well as advice for Side B Christians who want to improve their mental health.  If you want to contact Dr. Julia Sadusky, you can email her at <a href="mailto:drsadusky@gmail.com">drsadusky@gmail.com</a>. Publications mentioned in the episode: <ul><li>The summary of Dr. Sadusky's dissertation research on Spiritual Friendships can be found <a href="https://spiritualfriendship.org/2018/10/14/loneliness-and-the-celibate-gay-christian/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.</li> <li>"Approaching Gender Dysphoria" (Grove Ethics) can be purchased on Amazon <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Approaching-Gender-Dysphoria-Mark-Yarhouse/dp/1788270347" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.</li> <li>"Understanding Transgender Identities: Four Views" (Baker Academic) can be purchased on Amazon <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Transgender-Identities-Four-Views-ebook/dp/B07PZY49G8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.</li> <li>"A Christian View of Sex Reassignment Surgery and Hormone Therapy” (The Center for Faith, Sexuality and Gender) - <a href="https://centerforfaith.com/blog/how-should-christians-respond-to-sex-reassignment-surgery-and-hormone-therapy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://centerforfaith.com/blog/how-should-christians-respond-to-sex-reassignment-surgery-and-hormone-therapy</a></li> <li>Her upcoming book, "Emerging Gender Identities", releases August 18th, 2020. You can purchase it at <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Emerging-Gender-Identities-Understanding-Experiences/dp/1587434342/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=gender+sadusky&amp;qid=1581915047&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.</li> </ul> As discussed in the episode, if you are having suicidal thoughts, make sure to contact your therapist or call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (800-273-8255) or the Trevor Project (866-488-7386).  Here is a list of some LGBT+ Side B friendly counseling services that might be helpful for anyone single or married in need of counseling. As we said in the episode, make sure you find a counselor that is right for you and that you feel comfortable with.  <ul><li>Global Counseling Network - <a href="http://www.globalcounselingnetwork.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.globalcounselingnetwork.com</a></li> <li>New Hope Counseling Center - <a href="http://www.newhopecounseling.com/?fbclid=IwAR2hIbA1NIYsG4M4bhABtk40Dzbf_2k17jzu4BkSygf4OuDNZb_uQ6Wgon8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.newhopecounseling.com</a></li> <li>Hopewell Counseling - <a href="https://www.hopewellmin.org/?fbclid=IwAR3LJPLjeHsTIDLSjbTPyh4LnNG_Oe7EGU3jXXEhrpzCWFE90tFOPs7ETj4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.hopewellmin.org</a></li> <li>Arrow Advising - <a href="https://www.arrowheadadvising.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.arrowheadadvising.com</a></li> <li>Henegar Counseling Center - <a href="https://henegarcc.com/?fbclid=IwAR2lcaY2tfsBmjmWuMfTqkxYwxO7CHn3UnPOvxBXHUz6CoOlfG3Ywnw4rAs" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">henegarcc.com</a></li> <li>E91 Counseling Center - <a href="https://www.east91st.org/ministries/counseling/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.east91st.org/ministries/counseling/</a></li> <li>Caring Well Counseling - <a href="https://caringwell.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://caringwell.net/</a> </li></ul>

S2E4 | Dr. Julia Sadusky on Mental Health and Loneliness (w/ Mary)

Today, I am talking with Pieter Valk about the monastic community he is creating in Nashville called the Nashville Family of Brothers, which aims to offer family to celibate men. We talk about celibacy, its place in the church, and the importance of community as a celibate individual.  Pieter is the Director of EQUIP, a Nashville-based team of missionary consultants who help churches become places where LGBT+ people can belong and thrive according to a traditional sexual ethic. He is also a clinical mental health counselor that serves LGBT+ students at a local Christian university. Pieter is motivated by the pain and beauty of his story and the stories of fellow gay Christians submitting their sexualities to the Lordship of Christ. Learn more about his story at equipyourcommunity.org. The interim music comes from the song "Wonderous Love" by Murphy, D.X. Listen to them on Spotify, Apple Music or wherever you listen to your music. And as always, the theme song is by Scott Holmes. 

Today, I am talking with Pieter Valk about the monastic community he is creating in Nashville called the Nashville Family of Brothers, which aims to offer family to celibate men. We talk about celibacy, its place in the church, and the importance of community as a celibate individual.  Pieter is the Director of EQUIP, a Nashville-based team of missionary consultants who help churches become places where LGBT+ people can belong and thrive according to a traditional sexual ethic. He is also a clinical mental health counselor that serves LGBT+ students at a local Christian university. Pieter is motivated by the pain and beauty of his story and the stories of fellow gay Christians submitting their sexualities to the Lordship of Christ. Learn more about his story at <a href="http://equipyourcommunity.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">equipyourcommunity.org</a>. The interim music comes from the song "Wonderous Love" by Murphy, D.X. Listen to them on Spotify, Apple Music or wherever you listen to your music. And as always, the theme song is by Scott Holmes.

S1E8 | Pieter on Communal Celibacy

This week, Luke Calvin is joining me for the episode to discuss church inclusion. Recently, conservative churches have struggled to process the inclusion of celibate gay Christians. As Luke beautifully says in the episode, the church is meant to be a place where "others" can find they belong. So what does and should that look like for Side B Christians. Luke is a Licensed Professional Counselor in the state of Missouri and is the co-director of New Hope Counseling Services.  He is also a worship director, and a ruling elder in the Presbyterian Church in America.  He lives in Wentzville, MO with his wife, Jen, and 2 boys Grey and Reese.    Music: 1. Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes 2. Interim Music - (17:10) Come Ye Sinners by Murphy, D.X. and (35:56) Sun-Kissed by Scott Holmes    Books Mentioned: (50:24) Mike Mason, The Mystery of Marriage: Meditations on the Miracle. Colorado, CO: Multnomah Books, 2005.

This week, Luke Calvin is joining me for the episode to discuss church inclusion. Recently, conservative churches have struggled to process the inclusion of celibate gay Christians. As Luke beautifully says in the episode, the church is meant to be a place where "others" can find they belong. So what does and should that look like for Side B Christians. Luke is a Licensed Professional Counselor in the state of Missouri and is the co-director of New Hope Counseling Services.  He is also a worship director, and a ruling elder in the Presbyterian Church in America.  He lives in Wentzville, MO with his wife, Jen, and 2 boys Grey and Reese.  Music: 1. Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes 2. Interim Music - (17:10) Come Ye Sinners by Murphy, D.X. and (35:56) Sun-Kissed by Scott Holmes  Books Mentioned: (50:24) Mike Mason, The Mystery of Marriage: Meditations on the Miracle. Colorado, CO: Multnomah Books, 2005.

S1E10 | Luke on Church Inclusion

¡Este es el primer episodio del podcast en español y estamos emocionados de compartirlo con ustedes! Hoy estoy hablando con Teo, un cristiano LGBT+ y célibe, sobre su experiencia como un cristiano del Lado B. ¿Qué es el Lado B? ¿Como puede ser un cristiano LGBT+ y mantener una perspectiva tradicional sobre el matrimonio y la sexualidad. Vamos a explorar esto juntos.

¡Este es el primer episodio del podcast en español y estamos emocionados de compartirlo con ustedes! Hoy estoy hablando con Teo, un cristiano LGBT+ y célibe, sobre su experiencia como un cristiano del Lado B. ¿Qué es el Lado B? ¿Como puede ser un cristiano LGBT+ y mantener una perspectiva tradicional sobre el matrimonio y la sexualidad. Vamos a explorar esto juntos.

S1E19 | Teo sobre ¿Qué es el Lado B?

For many Side B Christians that remain single, a call to celibacy is a sacrifice of the possibility to have kids and a family as well as a spouse. But is that always the case? Bekah Mason joins me today to talk about her experience fostering and adopting as a single woman. She shares an amazing perspective on family in the Bible and how taking care of orphans is not simply a command for married people but all Christians. You won't want to miss this episode.  Bekah Mason, ThM, is a mom, educator, student, and writer in Chattanooga, TN. Her studies have included research in the areas of history, theology, education, and sexuality, and she speaks and writes in those disciplines as well. In addition, Bekah serves on the board of Give Her Wings and is a member of The Pelican Project. She has written about singleness and sexuality at Boundless, Christ and Pop Culture, and Christianity Today, and blogs at bekahmason.com.   Episode Outline: 2:03 - Episode Introduction 2:50 - Bekah gives an introduction of herself. 5:00 - Bekah shares about how she identifies related to her sexuality. 8:00 - Bekah shares a bit about her story and how she has come to reconcile her sexuality and faith. 20:53 - Bekah shares about how she became a foster mom and finally adopted her two kids. 29:13 - Bekah explains how the Bible has influenced her view of family and the importance of adoption 33:06 - Bekah explains how her community around her helps support her as a mom. 38:40 - Bekah explains her thoughts on what it might look like discussing sexuality, and especially one's sexuality with one's kids. 43:19 - Bekah shares some of the difficulties and blessings of being a single mom.  53:32 - Bekah and I discuss steps people can take if they are interested in fostering and/or adopting   Music: Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes Interim Music - Wonderous Love by Murphy DX

For many Side B Christians that remain single, a call to celibacy is a sacrifice of the possibility to have kids and a family as well as a spouse. But is that always the case? Bekah Mason joins me today to talk about her experience fostering and adopting as a single woman. She shares an amazing perspective on family in the Bible and how taking care of orphans is not simply a command for married people but all Christians. You won't want to miss this episode.  Bekah Mason, ThM, is a mom, educator, student, and writer in Chattanooga, TN. Her studies have included research in the areas of history, theology, education, and sexuality, and she speaks and writes in those disciplines as well. In addition, Bekah serves on the board of Give Her Wings and is a member of The Pelican Project. She has written about singleness and sexuality at Boundless, Christ and Pop Culture, and Christianity Today, and blogs at <a href="http://bekahmason.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bekahmason.com</a>. Episode Outline: 2:03 - Episode Introduction 2:50 - Bekah gives an introduction of herself. 5:00 - Bekah shares about how she identifies related to her sexuality. 8:00 - Bekah shares a bit about her story and how she has come to reconcile her sexuality and faith. 20:53 - Bekah shares about how she became a foster mom and finally adopted her two kids. 29:13 - Bekah explains how the Bible has influenced her view of family and the importance of adoption 33:06 - Bekah explains how her community around her helps support her as a mom. 38:40 - Bekah explains her thoughts on what it might look like discussing sexuality, and especially one's sexuality with one's kids. 43:19 - Bekah shares some of the difficulties and blessings of being a single mom.  53:32 - Bekah and I discuss steps people can take if they are interested in fostering and/or adopting Music: <ol><li>Theme Song - Driven to Success by Scott Holmes</li> <li>Interim Music - Wonderous Love by Murphy DX</li></ol>

S1E14 | Bekah on Adoption and Fostering

This week, I am talking with Lisa, the wife of Dean Samuels who I interviewed in the last episode. She is sharing about her experience in mixed orientation marriage to a queer man. I love her honesty and realness like nothing else. You will totally wanna listen in to this.   If you want to check out the book I mentioned, it is called Redeeming Sex by Debra Hirsch. Also if you want to learn more about Dean and Lisa, you can learn more on Dean's authorship page on the Your Other Brothers blog at https://www.yourotherbrothers.com/author/dean/ Theme Music credit: "Driven to Success" by Scott Holmes

This week, I am talking with Lisa, the wife of Dean Samuels who I interviewed in the last episode. She is sharing about her experience in mixed orientation marriage to a queer man. I love her honesty and realness like nothing else. You will totally wanna listen in to this.   If you want to check out the book I mentioned, it is called <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Redeeming-Sex-Conversations-Spirituality-Partnership/dp/083083639X" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Redeeming Sex</a> by Debra Hirsch. Also if you want to learn more about Dean and Lisa, you can learn more on Dean's authorship page on the Your Other Brothers blog at <a href="https://www.yourotherbrothers.com/author/dean/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.yourotherbrothers.com/author/dean/</a> Theme Music credit: "Driven to Success" by Scott Holmes

S1E5 | Lisa on Mixed Orientation Marriage: The Straight Perspective

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