Susannah Rose Stokes

Psilocybin containing mushrooms are increasingly in research publications these days. In February 2022, Johns Hopkins published a follow up study suggesting the anti-depressant effects of psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy for those with Major Depressive Disorder may last at least a year for some patients, see show notes for the study. Today we’ll be talking with Susannah Rose Stokes about metamorphosis and transformation. Our conversation will wander from sacred sexuality to church culture, from bdsm culture and brat identities back to sexuality and threesomes. And of course, we’ll talk about mushrooms from microdoses to hero doses. I’ll even share a recent mishap involving my first experience with Costa Rican mushrooms. Enjoy. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02698811211073759 https://www.instagram.com/susannahroses/?hl=en https://www.linkedin.com/in/golden-rule-leadership https://opentomore.mykajabi.com/ (Open to More course)--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Psilocybin containing mushrooms are increasingly in research publications these days. In February 2022, Johns Hopkins published a follow up study suggesting the anti-depressant effects of psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy for those with Major Depressive Disorder may last at least a year for some patients, see show notes for the study. Today we’ll be talking with Susannah Rose Stokes about metamorphosis and transformation. Our conversation will wander from sacred sexuality to church culture, from bdsm culture and brat identities back to sexuality and threesomes. And of course, we’ll talk about mushrooms from microdoses to hero doses. I’ll even share a recent mishap involving my first experience with Costa Rican mushrooms. Enjoy. <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02698811211073759" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02698811211073759</a> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/susannahroses/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/susannahroses/?hl=en</a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/golden-rule-leadership" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/golden-rule-leadership</a> <a href="https://opentomore.mykajabi.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://opentomore.mykajabi.com/</a> (Open to More course)--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Psilocybin and the Power to Change (Susannah Rose Stokes)

Today we’re talking with Andre Lazarus, an Intimacy and Sex coach with over 10 years of experience in non monogamy. His new project is the Open to More: How to Navigate Consensual Non-monogamy course at https://coming-closer.com/. You can find him @comingcloserwithandre on social media. Now, let’s chat about intimate things we can do with our partners that don’t involve penetration. For those of you who love penetration, note that these exercises might improve intimacy and through that, improve the quality of the penetrative sex you have later on. Your mileage may vary, but either way good luck! Resources  Non-Violent Communication (NVC) the book helped me with boundaries The Assertiveness Workbook helped me with passivity and passive-aggressive communication  We talk about indie intimacy po0rn and I refer to https://Afourchamberedheart.com--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Today we’re talking with Andre Lazarus, an Intimacy and Sex coach with over 10 years of experience in non monogamy. His new project is the Open to More: How to Navigate Consensual Non-monogamy course at <a href="https://coming-closer.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://coming-closer.com/</a>. You can find him @comingcloserwithandre on social media. Now, let’s chat about intimate things we can do with our partners that don’t involve penetration. For those of you who love penetration, note that these exercises might improve intimacy and through that, improve the quality of the penetrative sex you have later on. Your mileage may vary, but either way good luck! Resources <ul> <li>Non-Violent Communication (NVC) the book helped me with boundaries</li> <li>The Assertiveness Workbook helped me with passivity and passive-aggressive communication</li> </ul> We talk about indie intimacy po0rn and I refer to <a href="https://afourchamberedheart.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://Afourchamberedheart.com</a>--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Intimacy Exercises without Penetration (Andre Lazarus)

Robin Beatch, the Sex Positive, Lifestyle Inclusive Talk Radio host from SPLIT Radio will join us today. You can follow Robin @sexwithrobin on instagram. Robin is a queer, non monogamous sex educator, coach, consultant, former stripper, former nurse, pro domme, and parent of two. Juniper, my only ever one night stand, is also back to add her positive, fun self to the mix. Never Have I Ever is a party game where we try to find things we haven’t done that the others have done. Today we’ll be talking about shitting our pants, recording ourselves having sex, and faking orgasms. You can find the audio recordings of people getting off here at Sounds of Pleasure dot Tumblr dot com.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Robin Beatch, the Sex Positive, Lifestyle Inclusive Talk Radio host from SPLIT Radio will join us today. You can follow Robin @sexwithrobin on instagram. Robin is a queer, non monogamous sex educator, coach, consultant, former stripper, former nurse, pro domme, and parent of two. Juniper, my only ever one night stand, is also back to add her positive, fun self to the mix. Never Have I Ever is a party game where we try to find things we haven’t done that the others have done. Today we’ll be talking about shitting our pants, recording ourselves having sex, and faking orgasms. You can find the audio recordings of people getting off <a href="https://soundsofpleasure.tumblr.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a> at Sounds of Pleasure dot Tumblr dot com.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Never Have I Ever VII (Juniper, Robin)

Mahima is back, the woman who grew up in apartheid Zimbabwe and now introduces herself as Europe’s number one self mastry expert. Today we’ll talk about her journey through love and intimacy from 26 where she meets a new man precipitating a spiritual awakening. We talk about dancing with shadow energy for your whole life and giving much less of a fuck since turning 21. Content warnings for body image and weight loss. Don’t worry, we’ll end on a body positive note and giving far less of a fuck.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Mahima is back, the woman who grew up in apartheid Zimbabwe and now introduces herself as Europe’s number one self mastry expert. Today we’ll talk about her journey through love and intimacy from 26 where she meets a new man precipitating a spiritual awakening. We talk about dancing with shadow energy for your whole life and giving much less of a fuck since turning 21. Content warnings for body image and weight loss. Don’t worry, we’ll end on a body positive note and giving far less of a fuck.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Peace of the Moment (Mahima)

Today we’re talking about sexual surrogacy: what is it, who does it, how does it work, and is it sex work. Andre Lazarus, a Surrogate Partner and Sacred Intimate himself with over 10 years of experience in non monogamy, joins us to give us the goods. His new project is the Open to More: How to Navigate Consensual Non-monogamy course at https://coming-closer.com/. You can find him @comingcloserwithandre on social media. Resources IPSA (International Professional Surrogacy Association) https://www.surrogatetherapy.org/--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Today we’re talking about sexual surrogacy: what is it, who does it, how does it work, and is it sex work. Andre Lazarus, a Surrogate Partner and Sacred Intimate himself with over 10 years of experience in non monogamy, joins us to give us the goods. His new project is the Open to More: How to Navigate Consensual Non-monogamy course at <a href="https://coming-closer.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://coming-closer.com/</a>. You can find him @comingcloserwithandre on social media. Resources IPSA (International Professional Surrogacy Association) <a href="https://www.surrogatetherapy.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.surrogatetherapy.org/</a>--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Sex Surrogates and Therapists (Andre Lazarus)

Melody Anne

We’re back with At Least Twice Have I Ever with Melody Anne from Erotic Education with Melody Anne, and Ms. Sara Blaze, a woman of many identities from mom to conference organizer to dominatrix. Twice Have I Ever is a party game where we try to pick something we’ve done at least twice that the others have not done. Today, we’ll talk about being choked out during sex, recording porn, having group sex, and lots more!--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

We’re back with At Least Twice Have I Ever with Melody Anne from Erotic Education with Melody Anne, and Ms. Sara Blaze, a woman of many identities from mom to conference organizer to dominatrix. Twice Have I Ever is a party game where we try to pick something we’ve done at least twice that the others have not done. Today, we’ll talk about being choked out during sex, recording porn, having group sex, and lots more!--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Twice Have I Ever II (Melody Anne, Sara)

Sacred Sexuality is a simple idea and sometimes a convoluted topic. Susannah Rose is back today to talk about how intimacy and relationships are shaped by our culture and origin story: monogamy, religion, military service, bdsm, and lots more. We’ll talk a bit about unicorn fostering, distinguish between bottoms and subs in bdsm, and talk about designing relationships. It’s going to be fun! https://www.instagram.com/susannahroses/?hl=en https://www.linkedin.com/in/golden-rule-leadership https://opentomore.mykajabi.com/ (Open to More course)--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Sacred Sexuality is a simple idea and sometimes a convoluted topic. Susannah Rose is back today to talk about how intimacy and relationships are shaped by our culture and origin story: monogamy, religion, military service, bdsm, and lots more. We’ll talk a bit about unicorn fostering, distinguish between bottoms and subs in bdsm, and talk about designing relationships. It’s going to be fun! <a href="https://www.instagram.com/susannahroses/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/susannahroses/?hl=en</a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/golden-rule-leadership" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/golden-rule-leadership</a> <a href="https://opentomore.mykajabi.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://opentomore.mykajabi.com/</a> (Open to More course)--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

From Marine Corps to Sacred Sexuality (Susannah Rose Stokes)

I’m excited to introduce my guest today, Mahima. She grew up in apartheid zimbabwe, married a swiss man at 21, divorced at 22, and is focused on cultivating peace, connection to self, to soul, and to sexual expression. Content warning for abuse, racism, body image, weight loss, self loathing, and apartheid. If I had to sum Mahima up in two words, it would be “love yourself.” Let’s go to the session.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

I’m excited to introduce my guest today, Mahima. She grew up in apartheid zimbabwe, married a swiss man at 21, divorced at 22, and is focused on cultivating peace, connection to self, to soul, and to sexual expression. Content warning for abuse, racism, body image, weight loss, self loathing, and apartheid. If I had to sum Mahima up in two words, it would be “love yourself.” Let’s go to the session.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Connecting to Yourself (Mahima)

Robin Beatch, the Sex Positive, Lifestyle Inclusive Talk Radio host from SPLIT Radio will join us today. You can follow Robin @sexwithrobin on instagram. Robin is a queer, non monogamous sex educator, coach, consultant, former stripper, former nurse, pro domme, and parent of two. Juniper, my only ever one night stand, is also back to add her positive, fun self to the mix. Never Have I Ever is a party game where we try to find things we haven’t done that the others have done. Today we’ll be talking about fisting someone, having sex with someone twice your age, and having sex in a bathroom.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Robin Beatch, the Sex Positive, Lifestyle Inclusive Talk Radio host from SPLIT Radio will join us today. You can follow Robin @sexwithrobin on instagram. Robin is a queer, non monogamous sex educator, coach, consultant, former stripper, former nurse, pro domme, and parent of two. Juniper, my only ever one night stand, is also back to add her positive, fun self to the mix. Never Have I Ever is a party game where we try to find things we haven’t done that the others have done. Today we’ll be talking about fisting someone, having sex with someone twice your age, and having sex in a bathroom.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Never Have I Ever VI (Juniper, Robin)

Today we’re talking about expectations around strength, support, and staying composed. Join myself and Andre Lazarus as we chat about open communication, masculinity, and non monogamy. Andre is an Intimacy and Sex coach, a Surrogate Partner, and a Sacred Intimate with over 10 years of experience in non monogamy. His new project is the Open to More: How to Navigate Consensual Non-monogamy course at https://coming-closer.com/. You can find him @coming closerwithandre on social media.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Today we’re talking about expectations around strength, support, and staying composed. Join myself and Andre Lazarus as we chat about open communication, masculinity, and non monogamy. Andre is an Intimacy and Sex coach, a Surrogate Partner, and a Sacred Intimate with over 10 years of experience in non monogamy. His new project is the Open to More: How to Navigate Consensual Non-monogamy course at <a href="https://coming-closer.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://coming-closer.com/</a>. You can find him @coming closerwithandre on social media.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Masculinity, Expectations, and Nonmonogamy (Andre Lazarus)

Improve your relationships, get confident asking for what you really want, and have more intimate, satisfying sex! These lessons in intimacy from a non monogamy and consensual kink practitioner can improve any relationship and help you connect more with yourself and others. Check out https://intimatevictor.com/podcast

Compassionate discussions that are both informative and interesting

Informative and interesting

I listened to this podcast and was impressed. Great personalities.

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Improve your relationships, get confident asking for what you really want, and have more intimate, satisfying sex! These lessons in intimacy from a non monogamy and consensual kink practitioner can improve any relationship and help you connect more with yourself and others. Check out <a href="https://intimatevictor.com/podcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://intimatevictor.com/podcast</a>

Intimate Interactions

Irene is newish to kink. She started a sex and feminism blog where’s she's currently an avid blogger (thedesivibes.com) and hopes to be an educator one day. For a South Asian woman, that's not really a thing for our community yet for a variety of reasons, but I'll let her speak her own truth. Over her journey into kink, she has learnt a lot. Now it’s time for her to share some of that knowledge about getting started with you on Intimate Interactions.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Irene is newish to kink. She started a sex and feminism blog where’s she's currently an avid <a href="http://thedesivibes.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">blogger</a> (<a href="http://thedesivibes.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">thedesivibes.com</a>) and hopes to be an educator one day. For a South Asian woman, that's not really a thing for our community yet for a variety of reasons, but I'll let her speak her own truth. Over her journey into kink, she has learnt a lot. Now it’s time for her to share some of that knowledge about getting started with you on Intimate Interactions.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Desi Vibes (Irene)

In this episode, Piper, one of my former domestic, kink, and sex partners is back to talk about jealousy. They share lessons of non monogamy that can often benefit everyone including the monogamous. These emotional self-management and interpersonal skills are useful outside of traditionally intimate relationships as well including in work environments, with clients, friends, neighbours, and in many other arenas. We touch on processing strong feelings, our former intimate partnership, relationship anarchy, boundaries, requests for support, and lots more. We list lots of resources though I only introduce three books after the episode. The rest will be available in the description or at intimatepodcast.com/books.  Ethical Slut, The: A Practical Guide to Polyamory, Open Relationships, and Other Freedoms in Sex and Love 3rd ed.  More Than Two  Nonviolent Communication  Opening Up: A Guide to Creating and Sustaining Open Relationships  Happiness Advantage, The  ---   Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

In this episode, Piper, one of my former domestic, kink, and sex partners is back to talk about jealousy. They share lessons of non monogamy that can often benefit everyone including the monogamous. These emotional self-management and interpersonal skills are useful outside of traditionally intimate relationships as well including in work environments, with clients, friends, neighbours, and in many other arenas. We touch on processing strong feelings, our former intimate partnership, relationship anarchy, boundaries, requests for support, and lots more. We list lots of resources though I only introduce three books after the episode. The rest will be available in the description or at <a href="http://intimatepodcast.com/books" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">intimatepodcast.com/books</a>. Ethical Slut, The: A Practical Guide to Polyamory, Open Relationships, and Other Freedoms in Sex and Love 3rd ed. More Than Two Nonviolent Communication Opening Up: A Guide to Creating and Sustaining Open Relationships Happiness Advantage, The --- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Green Eyes, AFOG (Piper)

Each person offers a unique set of intimate interactions they want with you. They may want different kinds of sex, spooning, cuddling, hugging, kissing, or other forms of touch. And/or They may want varying levels of emotional engagement to meet needs like consolation, celebration, expression, validation, and many more. And/or They may want to live in close proximity to you by staying over temporarily or moving in - various domestic relationships. And/or They may be socially interested in coming to family functions or spending holidays with you. And/or They may want to share child-care duties with you. There’s no problem using prescribed sets of intimate interactions under traditional labels. There’s also no reason we should have to use them or be shamed for going off script. It’s also okay some people think these labels are all there is. We can pick and choose what we want from the Smorgasboard of Relationships so long as we’re consenting, informed adults. So why not share our best lives with as many people we want in the ways that make sense to us? Links  For a discussion of a Need-Based approach to relationships from Nonviolent Communication (NVC) (book - audiobook)  as well as a quick run through of my perspective on some forms of non monogamy, check out my primer on relationships available at: http://victorsalmon.com/blog/relationships/  ---   Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Each person offers a unique set of intimate interactions they want with you. They may want different kinds of sex, spooning, cuddling, hugging, kissing, or other forms of touch. And/or They may want varying levels of emotional engagement to meet needs like consolation, celebration, expression, validation, and many more. And/or They may want to live in close proximity to you by staying over temporarily or moving in - various domestic relationships. And/or They may be socially interested in coming to family functions or spending holidays with you. And/or They may want to share child-care duties with you. There’s no problem using prescribed sets of intimate interactions under traditional labels. There’s also no reason we should have to use them or be shamed for going off script. It’s also okay some people think these labels are all there is. We can pick and choose what we want from the Smorgasboard of Relationships so long as we’re consenting, informed adults. So why not share our best lives with as many people we want in the ways that make sense to us? <h3>Links </h3> For a discussion of a Need-Based approach to relationships from Nonviolent Communication (NVC) (<a href="https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/189200528X/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=15121&amp;creative=330641&amp;creativeASIN=189200528X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=vasalmon-20&amp;linkId=4fed6fc2ab00b61ea71fa66bf6531f07" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">book</a> - <a href="https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B071HNZQ8R/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=vasalmon-20&amp;camp=15121&amp;creative=330641&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;creativeASIN=B071HNZQ8R&amp;linkId=f1a1ebfd4bf4fdbb5a431380945742ef" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">audiobook</a>)  as well as a quick run through of my perspective on some forms of non monogamy, check out my primer on relationships available at: <a href="http://victorsalmon.com/blog/relationships/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://victorsalmon.com/blog/relationships/</a> --- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

On a Break (Oz Riley)

Olivier creates community by creating events. Often those events involve playing various kinds of games. When he first came into the Vancouver kink scene, he created the Vancouver Geeky and Kinky munch which he has since moved on from. Today, the VG &amp; K as it’s known is a thriving event on its own where people get together to play board games. While the underlying idea is that everyone playing is at some level curious about or interested in kink, my experiences there have been ones primarily about playing board games. There’s something relationship building in our brains when we experience fun, excitement, and curiosity. In a sense, there’s something relationship building about problem solving with someone even if you’re not on the same team. I’ve been thinking about relationships: how are they fun and exciting? How are they about solving problems? If you know you’re on the same team, even when you’re not trying to solve the problem the same way, to what extent can relationships be opportunities for problem solving rather than suffering? Let’s talk about intimacy with Olivier on Intimate Interactions. https://www.publicmedievalist.com/schrodinger/ https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/02/07/swastikas-raiments-create-uproar-among-society-creative-anachronism-fans--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Olivier creates community by creating events. Often those events involve playing various kinds of games. When he first came into the Vancouver kink scene, he created the Vancouver Geeky and Kinky munch which he has since moved on from. Today, the VG &amp; K as it’s known is a thriving event on its own where people get together to play board games. While the underlying idea is that everyone playing is at some level curious about or interested in kink, my experiences there have been ones primarily about playing board games. There’s something relationship building in our brains when we experience fun, excitement, and curiosity. In a sense, there’s something relationship building about problem solving with someone even if you’re not on the same team. I’ve been thinking about relationships: how are they fun and exciting? How are they about solving problems? If you know you’re on the same team, even when you’re not trying to solve the problem the same way, to what extent can relationships be opportunities for problem solving rather than suffering? Let’s talk about intimacy with Olivier on Intimate Interactions. <a href="https://www.publicmedievalist.com/schrodinger/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.publicmedievalist.com/schrodinger/</a> <a href="https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/02/07/swastikas-raiments-create-uproar-among-society-creative-anachronism-fans" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/02/07/swastikas-raiments-create-uproar-among-society-creative-anachronism-fans</a>--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Playing Games with Love (Olivier)

Today’s introduction is long because we touch on some pretty advanced stuff. Thanks for bearing with me. Normalizing behaviours is key to getting rid of shame and stigma, the key to promoting intimacy on our own terms. Shame isolates people, and rarely is anyone made more compassionate for others by being shunned or disconnected from society. When we make distinctions between amazing intense, hot sex and - content warning - nausea inducing, head-spinning traumatic rape - sometimes very similar physical acts might be involved but in very different social containers. This is one of many reasons why an evidence-based, adversarial approach to justice has historically failed survivors. So is the primary difference just consent between those two acts? If consent is the jump from rape to sexual intercourse and connection is the jump from intercourse to meaningful sex, the same is true for BDSM. Consent is the jump from abuse to BDSM, and connection is the jump from casual hitting to… an indescribable intimacy. Meaningful, connected BDSM to me even when asexual is so much more intimate than connected sex. Let’s talk about two reasons why: One is shame. Let’s talk sadism. Sadism is the enjoyment of seeing pain suffered; it doesn’t have to be a bad word. As with masochism, these terms aren’t always sexual. Some sadists instead feel a buzz of endorphins called topspace and get naturally high. Others may feel a sense of asexual euphoria. Lord of the Flies references this when Roger leans on the lever to kill Piggy with “a sense of delirious abandonment.” Note: delirious can mean intoxication or “in a wild state of excitement or ecstacy.” Other sadists may get aroused. It might be sexual. Some might only be able to get off when sadism is involved. No matter the motivation, many feel great intimacy showing off a deep need that is so commonly shamed and stigmatized. If you know my secret, you can undo me in my life. So long as informed, un-coerced, well-negotiated consent between adults stays in place, who are we to judge really? Why do we need to interfere with two happy consenting adults if they don’t ask us to do so? I say let them fantasize about what they want so long as their actions are ethical. Like any relationships, sometimes kink relationships struggle or fail, and it’s important to normalize the growth process. It can get complicated to deal with the end of a consensual sadomasochistic relationship. Even the shiniest superstars often fail their way to experience and continue to struggle even once established in a community.  The second topic we’ll be discussing today is consensual exchanges of ownership like marriage. It involves exchanging sexual autonomy where both people agree to have their  partner own their sexual options. It’s even criminally codified, though if the spouse says yes to a guest star, it’s only sort of adultery. All of this made sense before birth control and in part guaranteed rights for children. Modern marriage attempts to be as symmetrical an exchange as possible where both parties trade equal ownership with each other. It’s no wonder old styles of marriage are used as one style of consensual slavery in the BDSM community.  Finally, intensity and uniqueness are key elements in forming bonds. As a switch and sometimes-bottom myself, I have submitted to pain for someone else - a very asexual thing for me - yet it was a hero’s journey. I got to show myself how strong I am. I got to survive an ordeal. I hugged the human that walked me through knowing myself better, and then I walked away with a more intimate understanding of myself. And of course, intimacy is what it’s all about on Intimate Interactions.   ---   Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Today’s introduction is long because we touch on some pretty advanced stuff. Thanks for bearing with me. Normalizing behaviours is key to getting rid of shame and stigma, the key to promoting intimacy on our own terms. Shame isolates people, and rarely is anyone made more compassionate for others by being shunned or disconnected from society. When we make distinctions between amazing intense, hot sex and - content warning - nausea inducing, head-spinning traumatic rape - sometimes very similar physical acts might be involved but in very different social containers. This is one of many reasons why an evidence-based, adversarial approach to justice has historically failed survivors. So is the primary difference just consent between those two acts? If consent is the jump from rape to sexual intercourse and connection is the jump from intercourse to meaningful sex, the same is true for BDSM. Consent is the jump from abuse to BDSM, and connection is the jump from casual hitting to… an indescribable intimacy. Meaningful, connected BDSM to me even when asexual is so much more intimate than connected sex. Let’s talk about two reasons why: One is shame. Let’s talk sadism. Sadism is the enjoyment of seeing pain suffered; it doesn’t have to be a bad word. As with masochism, these terms aren’t always sexual. Some sadists instead feel a buzz of endorphins called topspace and get naturally high. Others may feel a sense of asexual euphoria. Lord of the Flies references this when Roger leans on the lever to kill Piggy with “a sense of delirious abandonment.” Note: delirious can mean intoxication or “in a wild state of excitement or ecstacy.” Other sadists may get aroused. It might be sexual. Some might only be able to get off when sadism is involved. No matter the motivation, many feel great intimacy showing off a deep need that is so commonly shamed and stigmatized. If you know my secret, you can undo me in my life. So long as informed, un-coerced, well-negotiated consent between adults stays in place, who are we to judge really? Why do we need to interfere with two happy consenting adults if they don’t ask us to do so? I say let them fantasize about what they want so long as their actions are ethical. Like any relationships, sometimes kink relationships struggle or fail, and it’s important to normalize the growth process. It can get complicated to deal with the end of a consensual sadomasochistic relationship. Even the shiniest superstars often fail their way to experience and continue to struggle even once established in a community.  The second topic we’ll be discussing today is consensual exchanges of ownership like marriage. It involves exchanging sexual autonomy where both people agree to have their  partner own their sexual options. It’s even criminally codified, though if the spouse says yes to a guest star, it’s only sort of adultery. All of this made sense before birth control and in part guaranteed rights for children. Modern marriage attempts to be as symmetrical an exchange as possible where both parties trade equal ownership with each other. It’s no wonder old styles of marriage are used as one style of consensual slavery in the BDSM community.  Finally, intensity and uniqueness are key elements in forming bonds. As a switch and sometimes-bottom myself, I have submitted to pain for someone else - a very asexual thing for me - yet it was a hero’s journey. I got to show myself how strong I am. I got to survive an ordeal. I hugged the human that walked me through knowing myself better, and then I walked away with a more intimate understanding of myself. And of course, intimacy is what it’s all about on Intimate Interactions. --- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Mother, Mistress, Sadist (MsBlaze)

Van Dwelling is for some a matter of necessity. For others, it’s a choice. What is it? Exactly what it sounds like: living in your vehicle. In some communities, housing is quite expensive. In some lives, being functional long enough to produce the employment opportunities and or funds to pay rent is quite challenging. Some organizations count van dwellers as homeless and what they mean by that word may be true for some van dwellers; yet why then would some choose this lifestyle? Selena is an educated former junior engineer who currently works as a sex worker at an agency - if you missed that episode, I interview her about her sex work earlier in the series. She’s pleasant, smart, and soft spoken - apologies in advance for the background noise. Sex work to her has nothing to do with why she chooses to be a van dweller. So why then is she so passionate about this lifestyle? Let’s find out on Intimate Interactions. Van Dwelling Tips:  public pools have inexpensive showers  public parks often have free parking and bathrooms  laundromats do laundry if you are in a van just as well as if you don’t have in suite laundry in an apartment  merino wool is antibacterial, wicks sweat away, and has extended wear time  public libraries have computers, audiobooks, DVDs, movies, internet access, bathrooms, and in Vancouver sometimes recording studios    ---   Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Van Dwelling is for some a matter of necessity. For others, it’s a choice. What is it? Exactly what it sounds like: living in your vehicle. In some communities, housing is quite expensive. In some lives, being functional long enough to produce the employment opportunities and or funds to pay rent is quite challenging. Some organizations count van dwellers as homeless and what they mean by that word may be true for some van dwellers; yet why then would some choose this lifestyle? Selena is an educated former junior engineer who currently works as a sex worker at an agency - if you missed that episode, I interview her about her sex work earlier in the series. She’s pleasant, smart, and soft spoken - apologies in advance for the background noise. Sex work to her has nothing to do with why she chooses to be a van dweller. So why then is she so passionate about this lifestyle? Let’s find out on Intimate Interactions. Van Dwelling Tips: <ul> <li>public pools have inexpensive showers </li> <li>public parks often have free parking and bathrooms </li> <li>laundromats do laundry if you are in a van just as well as if you don’t have in suite laundry in an apartment </li> <li>merino wool is antibacterial, wicks sweat away, and has extended wear time </li> <li>public libraries have computers, audiobooks, DVDs, movies, internet access, bathrooms, and in Vancouver sometimes recording studios </li> </ul> --- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

I Live in a Van (Selena)

Tillie King

content warning: we briefly discuss blood play  Sometimes when folks talk about a gold standard of service, they talk about anticipating the needs of someone else which is problematic to say the least.  Getting it wrong is only human as no one is perfect.  Accepting our imperfection is hard enough but asking someone how you can help can require courage.  Asking for help ourselves sometimes requires more.  So when asking someone else is seen as asking them for help on our task of anticipating what they want, we might shy away, especially if we’re a certain kind of human.  Tillie is back to help us get clarity on this topic of anticipatory service, but first we delve into some early non monogamy experiences and learn a little more about who Tillie is.  I’m excited to share our discussions on these two topics with you. I appreciate you. Thanks for coming back again and again.    ---   Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

content warning: we briefly discuss blood play <ul> <li>Sometimes when folks talk about a gold standard of service, they talk about anticipating the needs of someone else which is problematic to say the least. </li> <li>Getting it wrong is only human as no one is perfect. </li> <li>Accepting our imperfection is hard enough but asking someone how you can help can require courage. </li> <li>Asking for help ourselves sometimes requires more. </li> <li>So when asking someone else is seen as asking them for help on our task of anticipating what they want, we might shy away, especially if we’re a certain kind of human. </li> <li>Tillie is back to help us get clarity on this topic of anticipatory service, but first we delve into some early non monogamy experiences and learn a little more about who Tillie is. </li> <li>I’m excited to share our discussions on these two topics with you. I appreciate you. Thanks for coming back again and again. </li> </ul> --- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Anticipatory Service and Non Monogamy (Tillie King)

Robyn Beatch

Content warning for those of you who struggle with white supremacy, racism, stripping, toxic monogamy, shame...I feel like whenever I tackle really hard topics this entire intro is basically one big content warning. We continue the interview with Robyn Beatch today. We mostly don't talk about the KKK and spend a lot of time distracting ourselves talking about stripping, squirting, and teaching about sex. We then continue to touch a little bit on Robin’s childhood experiences and shame surrounding her estranged KKK father. We talk about relationship anarchy and solo polyamory and our frustration with media’s “polyamory dilemma” where two relationship options are presented as an impossible situation. Robyn shares some thoughts on jealousy.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Content warning for those of you who struggle with white supremacy, racism, stripping, toxic monogamy, shame...I feel like whenever I tackle really hard topics this entire intro is basically one big content warning. We continue the interview with Robyn Beatch today. We mostly don't talk about the KKK and spend a lot of time distracting ourselves talking about stripping, squirting, and teaching about sex. We then continue to touch a little bit on Robin’s childhood experiences and shame surrounding her estranged KKK father. We talk about relationship anarchy and solo polyamory and our frustration with media’s “polyamory dilemma” where two relationship options are presented as an impossible situation. Robyn shares some thoughts on jealousy.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Solo Polyam, Sex Educator, and Mom (Robyn Beatch)

Most of us have probably experienced burnout. It can look like feeling tired, empty, sad, resentful, angry, used, or hurt. It can run from the first signs of resistance or hesitation around an activity to full, impassioned non compliance. When we play on edges like we do in BDSM sometimes or play with really intense feelings like emotional sadism or emotional masochism, there is a lot to think about in terms of what health looks like in this lifestyle and how we hold our own truth while trying to do things like service. We don’t always choose the things in our lives that will be feeding for us and sometimes those things are very complicated. Still, it’s nice to have people like Tillie in our lives to chat with about these things. Today, Tillie and I struggle towards clarity on these issues and hopefully leave you with a lot to think about in terms of service, burn-out, and self-care. Thanks for listening.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Most of us have probably experienced burnout. It can look like feeling tired, empty, sad, resentful, angry, used, or hurt. It can run from the first signs of resistance or hesitation around an activity to full, impassioned non compliance. When we play on edges like we do in BDSM sometimes or play with really intense feelings like emotional sadism or emotional masochism, there is a lot to think about in terms of what health looks like in this lifestyle and how we hold our own truth while trying to do things like service. We don’t always choose the things in our lives that will be feeding for us and sometimes those things are very complicated. Still, it’s nice to have people like Tillie in our lives to chat with about these things. Today, Tillie and I struggle towards clarity on these issues and hopefully leave you with a lot to think about in terms of service, burn-out, and self-care. Thanks for listening.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Service and Burnout (Tillie King)

Reid Mihalko

This Valentine’s day, I bring you a special interview that I got with Reid Mihalko. Normally new episodes publish on Patreon first and come out for free 9 months later. This episode is an exception and will air for everyone on Valentine’s day. If you find the quality better than my free episodes, maybe try out Patreon for a month and see if you like it. I have sessions with Sophia Sky at Pan Eros Foundation in Seattle and in a week am recording with the podcast hosts of Escape Pod about intimacy in being a podcaster. Escape Pod has been running about 12 years though the hosts haven’t been with it since inception, and is part of Escape Artists, a thriving podcast community. Finally, at Westcoast Bound, I was able to get Mollena Williams to agree to do some podcast episodes with me. If you don’t know Mollena, the content that human puts out is incredible. Alright. Enough promo - let’s talk about this episode. So, I was invited by Jazz Goldman, a comet partner of mine and sex educator living in New York to Reid Mihalko’s birthday party in his home. After picking Jazz up and driving to Reid and Allison’s place, we enjoyed hot tubbing and an afternoon orgy with some fellow sex educators. I spent the night with Jazz in Reid’s spare room. While I’m failing at making breakfast sounds, Reid comes into the kitchen and offers me some coffee.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

This Valentine’s day, I bring you a special interview that I got with Reid Mihalko. Normally new episodes publish on Patreon first and come out for free 9 months later. This episode is an exception and will air for everyone on Valentine’s day. If you find the quality better than my free episodes, maybe try out Patreon for a month and see if you like it. I have sessions with Sophia Sky at Pan Eros Foundation in Seattle and in a week am recording with the podcast hosts of Escape Pod about intimacy in being a podcaster. Escape Pod has been running about 12 years though the hosts haven’t been with it since inception, and is part of Escape Artists, a thriving podcast community. Finally, at Westcoast Bound, I was able to get Mollena Williams to agree to do some podcast episodes with me. If you don’t know Mollena, the content that human puts out is incredible. Alright. Enough promo - let’s talk about this episode. So, I was invited by Jazz Goldman, a comet partner of mine and sex educator living in New York to Reid Mihalko’s birthday party in his home. After picking Jazz up and driving to Reid and Allison’s place, we enjoyed hot tubbing and an afternoon orgy with some fellow sex educators. I spent the night with Jazz in Reid’s spare room. While I’m failing at making breakfast sounds, Reid comes into the kitchen and offers me some coffee.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Nonmonogamy, Independence, Cuddling (Reid Mihalko)

Hello, Intimates! In this episode, I interview Piper, a former partner and current relationship anarchist. We focus on what works for each of us and how we make what it work. We also acknowledge what didn’t work. When the phrase relationship anarchy is brought up, it’s important to mention it means something different to everyone. I usually remind folks that anarchy isn’t about not having rules at all but about not following rules one didn’t participate in creating and agree to follow. Communities come up with what works for them and everyone agrees to whatever social contract they want - however large (think region with laws) or small (think five or six people living on a farmhouse with expectations of chore sharing, etc). So too with relationship anarchy does it not mean the absence of order but rather a custom relationship structure where all involved people participate in any rules, principles, or values. It is a little more work, but yields a totally custom structure. I am even friends with monogamous relationship anarchists. Perhaps I’m getting ahead of myself though. I’m excited to share with you this special session of Intimate Interactions.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Hello, Intimates! In this episode, I interview Piper, a former partner and current relationship anarchist. We focus on what works for each of us and how we make what it work. We also acknowledge what didn’t work. When the phrase relationship anarchy is brought up, it’s important to mention it means something different to everyone. I usually remind folks that anarchy isn’t about not having rules at all but about not following rules one didn’t participate in creating and agree to follow. Communities come up with what works for them and everyone agrees to whatever social contract they want - however large (think region with laws) or small (think five or six people living on a farmhouse with expectations of chore sharing, etc). So too with relationship anarchy does it not mean the absence of order but rather a custom relationship structure where all involved people participate in any rules, principles, or values. It is a little more work, but yields a totally custom structure. I am even friends with monogamous relationship anarchists. Perhaps I’m getting ahead of myself though. I’m excited to share with you this special session of Intimate Interactions.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Manifesto Destiny (Piper)

Orientation is for some, a lifelong struggle. Others rarely question it beyond their teenage years. I define orientation as the gender presentations to which one is attracted. Others might define it as the gender identities to which one is attracted. Others still might define it as the sexes to which they’re attracted. The distinction here is: are you attracted to what their internal idea of their gender is, to how they present their gender - the shape of their secondary sexual characteristics, or to the sexual organs themselves regardless of the shape of their body or their idea of what their gender is. I’ve had people on Intimate Interactions like Gavin, Levi and others who I think have had many years of reflection to make decisions about their gender and have been actively exploring what a non-binary space looks like for them. Today I bring on Irene, someone just beginning her journey into sexuality, orientation, kink, non-monogamy, and gender. Let’s explore what that looks like for her, here on Intimate Interactions. Relationship Milestones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRtVV4iY4GE https://polysingleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/non-escalator-landmarks.jpg Relationship Anarchy with Kale Gosen (and she has a podcast now!) http://relationship-anarchy.com Irene’s Blog http://thedesivibes.com--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Orientation is for some, a lifelong struggle. Others rarely question it beyond their teenage years. I define orientation as the gender presentations to which one is attracted. Others might define it as the gender identities to which one is attracted. Others still might define it as the sexes to which they’re attracted. The distinction here is: are you attracted to what their internal idea of their gender is, to how they present their gender - the shape of their secondary sexual characteristics, or to the sexual organs themselves regardless of the shape of their body or their idea of what their gender is. I’ve had people on Intimate Interactions like Gavin, Levi and others who I think have had many years of reflection to make decisions about their gender and have been actively exploring what a non-binary space looks like for them. Today I bring on Irene, someone just beginning her journey into sexuality, orientation, kink, non-monogamy, and gender. Let’s explore what that looks like for her, here on Intimate Interactions. Relationship Milestones <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRtVV4iY4GE" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRtVV4iY4GE</a> <a href="https://polysingleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/non-escalator-landmarks.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://polysingleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/non-escalator-landmarks.jpg</a> Relationship Anarchy with Kale Gosen (and she has a podcast now!) <a href="http://relationship-anarchy.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://relationship-anarchy.com</a> Irene’s Blog <a href="http://thedesivibes.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://thedesivibes.com</a>--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Orientation, Nonmonogamy, and Jealousy (Irene)

Race is a complicated topic to discuss, because there are quite a few misconceptions out there. I want to tackle how white a lot of alternative spaces are because of how inhospitable they can be for people of colour. This episode discusses what races are, how eugenics impacted ideas that we internalize today, the supposed scientific basis of eugenics, and who gets to be white. Despite our best efforts, I think we both agreed that this episode centered whiteness too much for our own liking, but it is my hope that it’s a great episode for you to listen to if you are a White person or are looking for some basics around Racism in alternative spaces like a polyamory community or a Kink community - of course depending on city. Jazz mentioned people who survived the Bubonic Plague (Black Death) may carry a mutation that resists HIV infection! https://www.the-scientist.com/research-round-up/could-the-black-death-protect-against-hiv-54468 Jazz mentioned a book on stereotypes which turned out to be called Typecasting and is written by Ewen and Ewen (not bowen and bowen). It’s a researched book on eugenics and Racism. https://www.amazon.com/Typecasting-Arts-Sciences-Human-Inequality/dp/1583227350 Jazz mentions a Sweedish girl who protested the government’s inaction on climate change. Her name is Greta Thunberg and her story is here: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/01/swedish-15-year-old-cutting-class-to-fight-the-climate-crisis--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Race is a complicated topic to discuss, because there are quite a few misconceptions out there. I want to tackle how white a lot of alternative spaces are because of how inhospitable they can be for people of colour. This episode discusses what races are, how eugenics impacted ideas that we internalize today, the supposed scientific basis of eugenics, and who gets to be white. Despite our best efforts, I think we both agreed that this episode centered whiteness too much for our own liking, but it is my hope that it’s a great episode for you to listen to if you are a White person or are looking for some basics around Racism in alternative spaces like a polyamory community or a Kink community - of course depending on city. Jazz mentioned people who survived the Bubonic Plague (Black Death) may carry a mutation that resists HIV infection! <a href="https://www.the-scientist.com/research-round-up/could-the-black-death-protect-against-hiv-54468" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.the-scientist.com/research-round-up/could-the-black-death-protect-against-hiv-54468</a> Jazz mentioned a book on stereotypes which turned out to be called Typecasting and is written by Ewen and Ewen (not bowen and bowen). It’s a researched book on eugenics and Racism. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Typecasting-Arts-Sciences-Human-Inequality/dp/1583227350" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Typecasting-Arts-Sciences-Human-Inequality/dp/1583227350</a> Jazz mentions a Sweedish girl who protested the government’s inaction on climate change. Her name is Greta Thunberg and her story is here: <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/01/swedish-15-year-old-cutting-class-to-fight-the-climate-crisis" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/01/swedish-15-year-old-cutting-class-to-fight-the-climate-crisis</a>--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

How Racey Is Whiteness (Jazz Goldman)

Person on the internet: “Wow you’re so mature for your age.” Other person on the internet: “Thanks, it’s the lifetime of depression and self-isolation.” Intimate Interactions is about relationships and intimacy. I can’t think of a more important relationship than the one to yourself. Some educators talk about self relationship from the perspective of being your own partner first and foremost, before you partner with anyone else. I like that view. Speaking as a person who has lived with depression and anxiety his entire life, I have to ask: are you in an abusive relationship with yourself? It’s worth reflecting on your internal conversations. If you have an abusive internal voice, who does that abusive voice remind you of? As a person who has been through years of counselling and has unlearned very harmful beliefs about competence, intelligence, elitism, etcetera, I have to ask: What mistaken beliefs did they teach you if any? Could you come to new conclusions about those things and start to cultivate the self awareness to monitor what you’re saying to yourself, to catch yourself, to confront yourself and change your own mind about those things? Depression to me is often the consequence of a mind divided against itself, and that’s not a long term ideal situation. It’s often unsustainable long term. Today my guest is Dax, a person with a degree in Psychology who is a long time depression sufferer. Fact check and research time. tl:dr, everything we say in the podcast is correct but we lacked the confidence to say so definitively and I’ve done the research and shared the links in the show description to confirm what I found. To restate: a psychotropic drug is one that affects the mind or mental process. A psychedelic drug is one inducing hallucinations like LCD or as I correctly guessed, psilocybin - the compound in magic mushrooms. Thus psilocybin is a psychotropic drug that is psychedelic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug Ketamine is a tranquilizer and it is used by veterinarians on horses as well as other animals. An eponym is a thing something else is named after. For example, a dog in India is named Victor after me. I am his eponym. He is my namesake. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eponym https://intimatevictor.com/resources (scroll to the bottom for mental health resources including Vancouver specific ones) https://www.cocothelouder.com/coco-resources https://themighty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/xScreen-Shot-2018-01-25-at-12.59.39-PM.png.pagespeed.ic.2WisoEi_s7.webp https://themighty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/xScreen-Shot-2018-01-25-at-12.57.45-PM.png.pagespeed.ic.sdJIdv_bx-.webp--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Person on the internet: “Wow you’re so mature for your age.” Other person on the internet: “Thanks, it’s the lifetime of depression and self-isolation.” Intimate Interactions is about relationships and intimacy. I can’t think of a more important relationship than the one to yourself. Some educators talk about self relationship from the perspective of being your own partner first and foremost, before you partner with anyone else. I like that view. Speaking as a person who has lived with depression and anxiety his entire life, I have to ask: are you in an abusive relationship with yourself? It’s worth reflecting on your internal conversations. If you have an abusive internal voice, who does that abusive voice remind you of? As a person who has been through years of counselling and has unlearned very harmful beliefs about competence, intelligence, elitism, etcetera, I have to ask: What mistaken beliefs did they teach you if any? Could you come to new conclusions about those things and start to cultivate the self awareness to monitor what you’re saying to yourself, to catch yourself, to confront yourself and change your own mind about those things? Depression to me is often the consequence of a mind divided against itself, and that’s not a long term ideal situation. It’s often unsustainable long term. Today my guest is Dax, a person with a degree in Psychology who is a long time depression sufferer. Fact check and research time. tl:dr, everything we say in the podcast is correct but we lacked the confidence to say so definitively and I’ve done the research and shared the links in the show description to confirm what I found. To restate: a psychotropic drug is one that affects the mind or mental process. A psychedelic drug is one inducing hallucinations like LCD or as I correctly guessed, psilocybin - the compound in magic mushrooms. Thus psilocybin is a psychotropic drug that is psychedelic. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug</a> Ketamine is a tranquilizer and it is used by veterinarians on horses as well as other animals. An eponym is a thing something else is named after. For example, a dog in India is named Victor after me. I am his eponym. He is my namesake. <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eponym" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eponym</a> <a href="https://intimatevictor.com/resources" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://intimatevictor.com/resources</a> (scroll to the bottom for mental health resources including Vancouver specific ones) <a href="https://www.cocothelouder.com/coco-resources/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.cocothelouder.com/coco-resources</a> <a href="https://themighty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/xScreen-Shot-2018-01-25-at-12.59.39-PM.png.pagespeed.ic.2WisoEi_s7.webp" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://themighty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/xScreen-Shot-2018-01-25-at-12.59.39-PM.png.pagespeed.ic.2WisoEi_s7.webp</a> <a href="https://themighty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/xScreen-Shot-2018-01-25-at-12.57.45-PM.png.pagespeed.ic.sdJIdv_bx-.webp" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://themighty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/xScreen-Shot-2018-01-25-at-12.57.45-PM.png.pagespeed.ic.sdJIdv_bx-.webp</a>--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Depression and Self Relationship (Dax)

Have you ever heard of non monogamous people having “comet” partners? Today we’ll discuss what that means and how it’s different from long distance relationships. Jazz Goldman and I talk about what a comet partner relationship might look like between the two of us. We talk about sustainability, and make a distinction between being community-oriented non monogamous folks, and being individual-oriented non monogamous folks. One way to think of community-oriented non monogamy is how focused we are on our greater collection of lovers and our lovers’ lovers - that is to say on our polycules. One way to think of individual-oriented non-monogamy is more like solo polyamorous folks, though not all solo polyamorous folks are individual-oriented. I mean to say if we take a radically personally autonomous stance - that we are each responsible only for ourselves, we would be embodying more of an individual-oriented philosophy rather than a community-minded one. Sustainability of relationships and thinking about how they fit in the context of one’s polycule is an important assessment for me, even if I do have strong needs for autonomy and independence. I think the information is good to have for everyone, even if they are quite individual-oriented in how they practice their consensual non monogamy. And now, the conversation with Jazz Goldman about Long Distance Lovers on Intimate Interactions.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Have you ever heard of non monogamous people having “comet” partners? Today we’ll discuss what that means and how it’s different from long distance relationships. Jazz Goldman and I talk about what a comet partner relationship might look like between the two of us. We talk about sustainability, and make a distinction between being community-oriented non monogamous folks, and being individual-oriented non monogamous folks. One way to think of community-oriented non monogamy is how focused we are on our greater collection of lovers and our lovers’ lovers - that is to say on our polycules. One way to think of individual-oriented non-monogamy is more like solo polyamorous folks, though not all solo polyamorous folks are individual-oriented. I mean to say if we take a radically personally autonomous stance - that we are each responsible only for ourselves, we would be embodying more of an individual-oriented philosophy rather than a community-minded one. Sustainability of relationships and thinking about how they fit in the context of one’s polycule is an important assessment for me, even if I do have strong needs for autonomy and independence. I think the information is good to have for everyone, even if they are quite individual-oriented in how they practice their consensual non monogamy. And now, the conversation with Jazz Goldman about Long Distance Lovers on Intimate Interactions.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Long Distance Lovers and Jealousy (Jazz Goldman)

Maita is a men’s coach living in Victoria who teaches healthy relationships between men. We talk about emotional labour, exercises you can do with your friends or at home, strategies with intimate partners, socially acceptable ways men share intimacy with other men, and about the challenge of restoring intimacy between men if they’ve received gender messages that have poisoned their relationships or have been “toxic” in some way to them. We hope you enjoy the session. It might be somewhat binary at times but is designed for people who identify as men, and I think gender non conforming and non binary folks who present as masculine or men in any amount could still get some use out of the content. Content warning: when talking about depression and men, suicide may come up. Please resource yourself appropriately.  Would you offer a definition of toxic masculinity? How do you convince men to buy out of toxic masculinity? What would you want to see more men buy into? (themselves, relationship skills) Could you define emotional labour? Could you talk about your witnessing exercise? How can men get stronger at emotional labour of self improvement without relying on women or their intimate partners? How does non-monogamy impact a man’s search for intimacy? What are the socially acceptable ways men share intimacy with other men? How do we restore intimacy with other men? What are some of the realms where men can have intimacy with other men? How does homophobia play into men sharing friendship and intimacy with other men? Restore stress regulation. Restore relationships within ourselves. Restore relationships amongst men. Restore relationships with people who aren’t men.  Resources The Pyramid of Regulate-Relate-Reason from Dr. Bruce D. Perry (https://twitter.com/bdperry/status/931235578976329728) The Window of Tolerance Image from Dr. Marie S. Dezelic (reposted on my site because her links appear broken). Read her article.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Maita is a men’s coach living in Victoria who teaches healthy relationships between men. We talk about emotional labour, exercises you can do with your friends or at home, strategies with intimate partners, socially acceptable ways men share intimacy with other men, and about the challenge of restoring intimacy between men if they’ve received gender messages that have poisoned their relationships or have been “toxic” in some way to them. We hope you enjoy the session. It might be somewhat binary at times but is designed for people who identify as men, and I think gender non conforming and non binary folks who present as masculine or men in any amount could still get some use out of the content. Content warning: when talking about depression and men, suicide may come up. Please resource yourself appropriately. <ol> <li>Would you offer a definition of toxic masculinity?</li> <li>How do you convince men to buy out of toxic masculinity?</li> <li>What would you want to see more men buy into? (themselves, relationship skills)</li> <li>Could you define emotional labour?</li> <li>Could you talk about your witnessing exercise?</li> <li>How can men get stronger at emotional labour of self improvement without relying on women or their intimate partners?</li> <li>How does non-monogamy impact a man’s search for intimacy?</li> <li>What are the socially acceptable ways men share intimacy with other men?</li> <li>How do we restore intimacy with other men?</li> <li>What are some of the realms where men can have intimacy with other men?</li> <li>How does homophobia play into men sharing friendship and intimacy with other men?</li> <li>Restore stress regulation.</li> <li>Restore relationships within ourselves.</li> <li>Restore relationships amongst men.</li> <li>Restore relationships with people who aren’t men.</li> </ol> Resources The Pyramid of Regulate-Relate-Reason from Dr. Bruce D. Perry (<a href="https://twitter.com/bdperry/status/931235578976329728" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/bdperry/status/931235578976329728</a>) The <a href="https://intimatevictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/window-of-tolerance.jpg" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Window of Tolerance Image</a> from Dr. Marie S. Dezelic (reposted on my site because her links appear broken). Read her <a href="https://www.drmariedezelic.com/window-of-tolerance--traumaanxiety-rela" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">article</a>.--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Friendships among Men (Maita)

Relationships can be thought of as strategies for meeting our human needs with each other. They can also be thought of as the sum of our interactions. That might sound complicated - and it is! That’s why it’s much easier to think of them in cookie-cutter, pre-set ways. We are given scripts and categories. This is what “friends with benefits” looks like. This is what “getting serious” looks like. The problem with categories is often their inability to manage the spaces between them, the liminal spaces. Accordingly, we have a concept called the relationship elevator that shuttles us between our preset categories, but always in one direction. Have you ever tried to call off an engagement to go back to solidifying a relationship before marriage? I certainly have. Spoilers: it ends the relationship. Jazz Goldman and I discuss today what our relationship is, the sum of our interactions. We talk about our boundaries, our expectations, and our intentions. Enjoy! Left Brain vs Right Brain https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321037.php--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Relationships can be thought of as strategies for meeting our human needs with each other. They can also be thought of as the sum of our interactions. That might sound complicated - and it is! That’s why it’s much easier to think of them in cookie-cutter, pre-set ways. We are given scripts and categories. This is what “friends with benefits” looks like. This is what “getting serious” looks like. The problem with categories is often their inability to manage the spaces between them, the liminal spaces. Accordingly, we have a concept called the relationship elevator that shuttles us between our preset categories, but always in one direction. Have you ever tried to call off an engagement to go back to solidifying a relationship before marriage? I certainly have. Spoilers: it ends the relationship. Jazz Goldman and I discuss today what our relationship is, the sum of our interactions. We talk about our boundaries, our expectations, and our intentions. Enjoy! Left Brain vs Right Brain <a href="https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321037.php" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321037.php</a>--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

What Are We? (Jazz Goldman)

Welcome to the second session of the Tillie-Victor Friendship Project - or TVFP. We’re recording outdoor sessions documenting our friendship as it progresses. This is a continuation of our first session and as such it was accidentally recorded on our H1N Zoom recorder as a low quality MP3, but we solemnly swear to be up to higher fidelity good in future sessions. Today we chat about Liminality, possibly our favourite topic; we mention the c̓əsnaʔəm Musqueam city before Vancouver; we discuss mental health, bipolar disorder, and suicidality. I share a breakthrough I had on valuing myself; and of course: content warning: we talk about indigenous rights, rapid cycling bipolar disorder, depression and suicidality. That sounds about right for our second session of getting to know each other as friends, right? The village of musqueam folks living here before settlers like ourselves called it Vancouver was called c̓əsnaʔəm. Here are notes on the pronunciation: The first letter /c̓/ sounds very much like "ts" in the word nuts. Note also the apostrophe which causes /c̓/ to have a slight popping sound. The /ə/ is similar to the "u" sound in "but." The /ʔ/ is a consonant with no sound, like the space in "uh-oh." (Source). There’s even a film about it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1RnkCdDKLQ).--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Welcome to the second session of the Tillie-Victor Friendship Project - or TVFP. We’re recording outdoor sessions documenting our friendship as it progresses. This is a continuation of our first session and as such it was accidentally recorded on our H1N Zoom recorder as a low quality MP3, but we solemnly swear to be up to higher fidelity good in future sessions. Today we chat about Liminality, possibly our favourite topic; we mention the c̓əsnaʔəm Musqueam city before Vancouver; we discuss mental health, bipolar disorder, and suicidality. I share a breakthrough I had on valuing myself; and of course: content warning: we talk about indigenous rights, rapid cycling bipolar disorder, depression and suicidality. That sounds about right for our second session of getting to know each other as friends, right? The village of musqueam folks living here before settlers like ourselves called it Vancouver was called <a href="https://aboriginal.ubc.ca/2017/10/09/c%CC%93%C9%99sna%CA%94%C9%99m-lel%C9%99m%CC%93-new-totem-park-house-name/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">c̓əsnaʔəm</a>. Here are notes on the pronunciation: The first letter /c̓/ sounds very much like "ts" in the word nuts. Note also the apostrophe which causes /c̓/ to have a slight popping sound. The /ə/ is similar to the "u" sound in "but." The /ʔ/ is a consonant with no sound, like the space in "uh-oh." (<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180306212107/http://www.thecitybeforethecity.com:80/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Source</a>). There’s even a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1RnkCdDKLQ" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">film about it</a> (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1RnkCdDKLQ" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1RnkCdDKLQ</a>).--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Liminality and Sex Education Concepts for Children (Tillie King)

It’s my pleasure to talk more with Jazz Goldman today, an intersex human, friend of mine, ocassional sex partner of mine, and professional cuddler for cuddlist. Suffice it to say they have a really informed and interesting perspective on intimacy, sex, and gender. Jazz is also a mixed race person like me, except instead of being British and Indian, they are a Black Jew. I mention that because I think all four of those identities are complex, but in many ways the most complex identity is that of being mixed race, and on that front, I think the two of us find a lot of common ground. Since this episode is about intersex folks, I want to make a quick point. If sizes and shapes of genitals are already understood to vary widely, perhaps on several bell curves, why is it such a stretch to think of the shape varying not only among genitals in two binary categories but between those categories as well, perhaps like an inverted bell curve where most people occupy a space towards one of two categories but various people are spread out between the archetypes of peniscrotum and vulvovaginal? This isn’t even getting into things like androgen insensitivity syndrome, gonads that don’t quote unquote match visible genitals, klinefelters syndrome, turner syndrome, or any of the other various situations that intersex folks might be in. I’ll post a video by some intersex people on what it’s like to be intersex (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAUDKEI4QKI). But now, let’s go to the episode, recorded on my back in a dark room while I was uber sick with a headache during a bout of IBS. 1. Apologies for being super sick; describe room. 2. How would you define intersex? 3. How is that different from and similar to trans-ness? 4. What's your social experience having a body that can be perceived outside of male/female binary? 5. How does presenting as non-binary impact the way others see you professionally? 6. How does intersexuality impact your relationships? 7. Do you experience any intersections culturally between being intersex and being Black and or Jewish? 8. Any closing remarks?--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

It’s my pleasure to talk more with Jazz Goldman today, an intersex human, friend of mine, ocassional sex partner of mine, and professional cuddler for cuddlist. Suffice it to say they have a really informed and interesting perspective on intimacy, sex, and gender. Jazz is also a mixed race person like me, except instead of being British and Indian, they are a Black Jew. I mention that because I think all four of those identities are complex, but in many ways the most complex identity is that of being mixed race, and on that front, I think the two of us find a lot of common ground. Since this episode is about intersex folks, I want to make a quick point. If sizes and shapes of genitals are already understood to vary widely, perhaps on several bell curves, why is it such a stretch to think of the shape varying not only among genitals in two binary categories but between those categories as well, perhaps like an inverted bell curve where most people occupy a space towards one of two categories but various people are spread out between the archetypes of peniscrotum and vulvovaginal? This isn’t even getting into things like androgen insensitivity syndrome, gonads that don’t quote unquote match visible genitals, klinefelters syndrome, turner syndrome, or any of the other various situations that intersex folks might be in. I’ll post a video by some intersex people on what it’s like to be <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAUDKEI4QKI" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">intersex</a> (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAUDKEI4QKI" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAUDKEI4QKI</a>). But now, let’s go to the episode, recorded on my back in a dark room while I was uber sick with a headache during a bout of IBS. 1. Apologies for being super sick; describe room. 2. How would you define intersex? 3. How is that different from and similar to trans-ness? 4. What's your social experience having a body that can be perceived outside of male/female binary? 5. How does presenting as non-binary impact the way others see you professionally? 6. How does intersexuality impact your relationships? 7. Do you experience any intersections culturally between being intersex and being Black and or Jewish? 8. Any closing remarks?--- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

Intersex, Intergender Intellectual (Jazz Goldman)

Jazz Goldman and I just went to Pride. Jazz is a friend of mine, an ocassional sex partner of mine, a professional cuddler for cuddlist, all about the performing arts, and all about community building. Jazz and I have in common being some flavor of gender non-confirming and also being mixed race humans. In Jazz’ case, they are a Black Jew, and in my case I’m a British Indian. Very, very different backgrounds, and yet the experience of being a quote “third culture” end quote child has its similarities. Jazz is most importantly a sexuality intellectual. We sometimes get lost on tangents as we both find each other so interesting even when we’re off topic. Back on topic: did I say we two mixed race, queers of colour were just at Pride? Well it turns out some queers, especially some queers of colour, have strong feelings about Pride sometimes and we want to present some thoughts that might currently be less common in the mainstream while remaining as polite and kind to current organizers as possible as they still fill an important role or niche - but we’ll say more about that in the podcast. Jazz mentions the Pink Triangle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle). Jazz mentions Ericka Hart who you can find here: http://www.ihartericka.com/bio/  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/youth-incarcerated-indigenous-half-1.4720019 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2018001/article/54972-eng.htm Jane Philpott in an Interview in 2017 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2019001/article/00010/tbl/tbl10-eng.htm https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/youth-incarcerated-indigenous-half-1.4720019   ---   Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message

Jazz Goldman and I just went to Pride. Jazz is a friend of mine, an ocassional sex partner of mine, a professional cuddler for cuddlist, all about the performing arts, and all about community building. Jazz and I have in common being some flavor of gender non-confirming and also being mixed race humans. In Jazz’ case, they are a Black Jew, and in my case I’m a British Indian. Very, very different backgrounds, and yet the experience of being a quote “third culture” end quote child has its similarities. Jazz is most importantly a sexuality intellectual. We sometimes get lost on tangents as we both find each other so interesting even when we’re off topic. Back on topic: did I say we two mixed race, queers of colour were just at Pride? Well it turns out some queers, especially some queers of colour, have strong feelings about Pride sometimes and we want to present some thoughts that might currently be less common in the mainstream while remaining as polite and kind to current organizers as possible as they still fill an important role or niche - but we’ll say more about that in the podcast. Jazz mentions the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Pink Triangle</a> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle</a>). Jazz mentions Ericka Hart who you can find here: <a href="http://www.ihartericka.com/bio/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.ihartericka.com/bio/</a> <a href="https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/youth-incarcerated-indigenous-half-1.4720019" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/youth-incarcerated-indigenous-half-1.4720019</a> <a href="https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2018001/article/54972-eng.htm" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2018001/article/54972-eng.htm</a> <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1087347267640/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Jane Philpott in an Interview in 2017</a> <a href="https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2019001/article/00010/tbl/tbl10-eng.htm" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2019001/article/00010/tbl/tbl10-eng.htm</a> <a href="https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/youth-incarcerated-indigenous-half-1.4720019" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/youth-incarcerated-indigenous-half-1.4720019</a> --- Send in a voice message: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/intimate-interactions/message</a>

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