Robby has a chat with Ahmed Wasfy (he/him/his), the Senior Development Manager at Amazon. On the topic of the common characteristics of well maintained software, Ahmed feels that one critical thing is that software should serve a purpose in terms of what values it adds and the trackable business goal it fulfills. He shares some valuable insights about legacy code based on his vast experience and dives into how to approach the management of technical debt so that an engineering team trusts there is a time and place to work on that.Robby and Ahmed discuss how to strike a good balance between new feature development and incremental improvements, challenges that large organizations face when recruiting a lot of engineers in a short period of time when there are no local domain experts, the Ageism bias in the software engineering industry, Ahmed's coaching work under TheThrivingEM.com, and how to approach your first 90 days in a new role. There is that and so much more software engineering wisdom to gain from this episode, so make sure you tune in.Book Recommendations:Mastery by George LeonardHelpful Links:TheThrivingEM.comAhmed's InstagramAhmed's LinkedInSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with Ahmed Wasfy (he/him/his), the Senior Development Manager at Amazon. On the topic of the common characteristics of well maintained software, Ahmed feels that one critical thing is that software should serve a purpose in terms of what values it adds and the trackable business goal it fulfills. He shares some valuable insights about legacy code based on his vast experience and dives into how to approach the management of technical debt so that an engineering team trusts there is a time and place to work on that.</p><p>Robby and Ahmed discuss how to strike a good balance between new feature development and incremental improvements, challenges that large organizations face when recruiting a lot of engineers in a short period of time when there are no local domain experts, the Ageism bias in the software engineering industry, Ahmed's coaching work under<a href="https://www.thethrivingem.com/home" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> TheThrivingEM.com</a>, and how to approach your first 90 days in a new role. There is that and so much more software engineering wisdom to gain from this episode, so make sure you tune in.</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/327444/mastery-by-george-leonard/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mastery by George Leonard</a></li></ul><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.thethrivingem.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TheThrivingEM.com</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/a1wasfy/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ahmed's Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/awasfy/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ahmed's LinkedIn</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</a></p>

Ahmed Wasfy - Thriving as an Engineering Manager

Naomi Ceder

Robby has a chat with Independent Python Instructor and Consultant, Naomi Ceder (she/her/hers). Naomi values clear organization, separation of concern and capsulation, visibility instrumentation, and tests when it comes to creating a legacy piece of code that will be continuously useful. She will talk about the importance of weighing up the costs of using 3rd party tools vs rolling your own solution, working in small teams through a career, and what to consider when weighing up a rewrite vs refactoring.They will discuss her involvement in the Python Foundation and what a foundation typically offers to a community on the global and local levels. Naomi will tell us about her book, The Quick Python Book, 3rd edition, and give us an overview of who the ideal audience is for it. For those of you who want to become technical writers, she will share considerations for how you can get more involved in open-source communities.Book Recommendations:Debt: The First 5000 Years by David GraeberPaula by Isabel AllendeHelpful Links:https://www.naomiceder.tech/https://www.manning.com/books/the-quick-python-book-third-editionhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/naomiceder/https://mastodon.art/@naomicederSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with Independent Python Instructor and Consultant, Naomi Ceder (she/her/hers). Naomi values clear organization, separation of concern and capsulation, visibility instrumentation, and tests when it comes to creating a legacy piece of code that will be continuously useful. She will talk about the importance of weighing up the costs of using 3rd party tools vs rolling your own solution, working in small teams through a career, and what to consider when weighing up a rewrite vs refactoring.</p><p>They will discuss her involvement in the Python Foundation and what a foundation typically offers to a community on the global and local levels. Naomi will tell us about her book,<a href="https://www.manning.com/books/the-quick-python-book-third-edition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> The Quick Python Book, 3rd edition</a>, and give us an overview of who the ideal audience is for it. For those of you who want to become technical writers, she will share considerations for how you can get more involved in open-source communities.</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Debt-First-5-000-Years/dp/1612191290" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Debt: The First 5000 Years by David Graeber</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Paula-Isabel-Allende/dp/0060172533" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Paula by Isabel Allende</a></li></ul><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.naomiceder.tech/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.naomiceder.tech/</a></li><li><a href="https://www.manning.com/books/the-quick-python-book-third-edition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.manning.com/books/the-quick-python-book-third-edition</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomiceder/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomiceder/</a></li><li><a href="https://mastodon.art/@naomiceder" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://mastodon.art/@naomiceder</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</a></p>

Naomi Ceder - People-Centric Community Building

Robby has a chat with Nadia Odunayo (she/her/hers), the Founder and CEO at The StoryGraph. Nadia starts off by highlighting solid test coverage, up-to-date gem language platform versions, all security patches, and proper documentation as some of the few common characteristics of maintainable software. She talks about when it makes sense to document debugging processes for your future self, the tradeoffs made when you're the solo developer and founder of a software project, how she approaches product management, how working within Pivotal Labs influenced her approach, and the differences one experiences going from an environment of constant pairing to being a solo developer.They also dive into why every engineer should be comfortable clearing out their product's icebox, the realities of being a solo developer and thinking about vacations, the fine line between premature and proactive optimization, and everything that The StoryGraph app has to offer. Nadia’s engineering wisdom will be super insightful so don’t miss out!Book Recommendations:Nonviolent Communication by Marshall B. RosenbergThe Eighth Life (for Brilka) by Nino HaratischwiliHelpful Links:Nadia's Websitehttps://www.thestorygraph.com/Nadia on TwitterThe StoryGraph on TwitterSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with Nadia Odunayo (she/her/hers), the Founder and CEO at The StoryGraph. Nadia starts off by highlighting solid test coverage, up-to-date gem language platform versions, all security patches, and proper documentation as some of the few common characteristics of maintainable software. </p><p>She talks about when it makes sense to document debugging processes for your future self, the tradeoffs made when you're the solo developer and founder of a software project, how she approaches product management, how working within Pivotal Labs influenced her approach, and the differences one experiences going from an environment of constant pairing to being a solo developer.</p><p>They also dive into why every engineer should be comfortable clearing out their product's icebox, the realities of being a solo developer and thinking about vacations, the fine line between premature and proactive optimization, and everything that The StoryGraph app has to offer. Nadia’s engineering wisdom will be super insightful so don’t miss out!</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/8068cd48-4942-403e-9c5a-01b703176b9b" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nonviolent Communication by Marshall B. Rosenberg</a></li><li><a href="https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/42e87cd9-b9fe-4ab1-88dc-d609d34c39ba" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Eighth Life (for Brilka) by Nino Haratischwili</a></li></ul><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://nadiaodunayo.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nadia's Website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thestorygraph.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.thestorygraph.com/</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/nodunayo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nadia on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/thestorygraph" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The StoryGraph on Twitter</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</a></p>

Nadia Odunayo - Don't Try to Solve a Pain Point For a Problem You Aren't Experiencing

Daniela Baron

Robby has a chat with Senior Staff Engineer, Daniela Baron (she/her). Daniela starts by listing the following things about the characteristics of well-maintained software; it should be easy for new people to join and get the project running on their laptops just by following the README, it should have conventions in place for what kind of code goes where, and several less obvious aspects like how to integrate with third parties and how to deploy to a test environment.Daniela will share ways to improve the onboarding experience for new developers to a project, examples of reliable traceability from code to tests to business goals across repositories and project management tools, how to avoid bikeshedding in pull-requests, and approaches to managing maintenance tasks within your team's workflow.In addition, Robby and Daniela will discuss the importance of having a process for addressing deprecation warnings, documenting the non-obvious aspects of the system, tips on how to start documenting how to test and/or debug integrations with third-party services, and moving documentation about edge case scenarios under a Troubleshooting heading. They will also reference to Daniela's blog post, About Those Docs. Tune in for all that and more! You’ll get tons of valuable insights out of it.Book Recommendations:WHEN: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing By Daniel H. PinkHelpful Links:Slides from Daniela's talk about “When”Daniela on LinkedInDaniela’s Personal WebsiteDaniela on Twitterhttps://github.com/danielabarSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with Senior Staff Engineer, Daniela Baron (she/her). Daniela starts by listing the following things about the characteristics of well-maintained software; it should be easy for new people to join and get the project running on their laptops just by following the README, it should have conventions in place for what kind of code goes where, and several less obvious aspects like how to integrate with third parties and how to deploy to a test environment.</p><p>Daniela will share ways to improve the onboarding experience for new developers to a project, examples of reliable traceability from code to tests to business goals across repositories and project management tools, how to avoid <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bikeshedding</a> in pull-requests, and approaches to managing maintenance tasks within your team's workflow.</p><p>In addition, Robby and Daniela will discuss the importance of having a process for addressing deprecation warnings, documenting the non-obvious aspects of the system, tips on how to start documenting how to test and/or debug integrations with third-party services, and moving documentation about edge case scenarios under a Troubleshooting heading. They will also reference to Daniela's blog post, <a href="https://danielabaron.me/blog/about-those-docs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">About Those Docs</a>. Tune in for all that and more! You’ll get tons of valuable insights out of it.</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/books/when/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WHEN: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing By Daniel H. Pink</a></li></ul><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://danielabar.github.io/when/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Slides from Daniela's talk about “When”</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielabaron/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Daniela on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://danielabaron.me/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Daniela’s Personal Website</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/DanielaMBaron" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Daniela on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://github.com/danielabar" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://github.com/danielabar</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</a></p>

Daniela Baron - About Those Docs

Robby has a chat with Cory House (he/him/his), the Founder at Reactjsconsulting.com, a software developer, author, speaker, and consultant. “I love the old saying that we write software for humans. So, I think about that regularly”, Cory says about what the maintainability of software is all about. When it comes down to it, he thinks more about his fellow developers than the compiler. He talks about the importance of good variable naming, shares the tactics for writing good tests for your regular expressions, and lists the benefits of automating pull-request feedback on potentially subjective feedback so that we can focus our attention on objective curiosities. He will also dive into testing strategies for React JS applications, how granular unit testing patterns don't apply well to automated browser tests, why it's valuable to keep a running list of opportunities for improvements rather than a list of technical debt, and why he believes that not every software project requires a dedicated architect but there should be someone who is acting in that role. You’re going to love this one so stay tuned!Book Recommendations:So Good They Can't Ignore You By Cal NewportHelpful Links:Pluralsight coursesCory on LinkedInCory on TwitterWebsiteReactJS ConsultingSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with Cory House (he/him/his), the Founder at <a href="http://Reactjsconsulting.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Reactjsconsulting.com</a>, a software developer, author, speaker, and consultant. “I love the old saying that we write software for humans. So, I think about that regularly”, Cory says about what the maintainability of software is all about. When it comes down to it, he thinks more about his fellow developers than the compiler. He talks about the importance of good variable naming, shares the tactics for writing good tests for your regular expressions, and lists the benefits of automating pull-request feedback on potentially subjective feedback so that we can focus our attention on objective curiosities. </p><p>He will also dive into testing strategies for React JS applications, how granular unit testing patterns don't apply well to automated browser tests, why it's valuable to keep a running list of opportunities for improvements rather than a list of technical debt, and why he believes that not every software project requires a dedicated architect but there should be someone who is acting in that role. You’re going to love this one so stay tuned!</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.grandcentralpublishing.com/titles/cal-newport/so-good-they-cant-ignore-you/9781455509102/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">So Good They Can't Ignore You By Cal Newport</a></li></ul><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.pluralsight.com/authors/cory-house" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pluralsight courses</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/coryhouse/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cory on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/housecor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cory on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.bitnative.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Website</a></li><li><a href="http://reactjsconsulting.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ReactJS Consulting</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</a></p>

Cory House - Finding Opportunities for Improvement

Avery Quinn

Robby has a chat with Senior Software Engineer, Avery Quinn. Avery was previously a Senior Software Engineer at Remotion. Avery starts by sharing that she finds well-maintained software to have cohesive modules, be singularly responsible in its functions, and have just a general level of refinement over time.They will dive into the benefits of having a skeleton project that you can experiment with when weighing up different dependencies, tips for onboarding engineers to your teams, things to consider when building desktop applications, what it is like to work as a consultant, and later at a product company, the software product that Remotion is building for remote software engineers, why measuring velocity on a team can be a useful metric to track, and how her recent employer tracks and prioritizes technical debt work. Avery will also share advice for those who are struggling to get buy-in to prioritize technical debt work. Stay tuned for more!Book Recommendations:Just Enough Software Architecture By George FairbanksHelpful Links:https://remotion.com/blog/refactoring-legacy-systemsSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with Senior Software Engineer, Avery Quinn. Avery was previously a Senior Software Engineer at Remotion. Avery starts by sharing that she finds well-maintained software to have cohesive modules, be singularly responsible in its functions, and have just a general level of refinement over time.</p><p>They will dive into the benefits of having a skeleton project that you can experiment with when weighing up different dependencies, tips for onboarding engineers to your teams, things to consider when building desktop applications, what it is like to work as a consultant, and later at a product company, the software product that Remotion is building for remote software engineers, why measuring velocity on a team can be a useful metric to track, and how her recent employer tracks and prioritizes technical debt work. Avery will also share advice for those who are struggling to get buy-in to prioritize technical debt work. Stay tuned for more!</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.georgefairbanks.com/book/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Just Enough Software Architecture By George Fairbanks</a></li></ul><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://remotion.com/blog/refactoring-legacy-systems" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://remotion.com/blog/refactoring-legacy-systems</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</a></p>

Avery Quinn - Can You Quantify the Impact?

Código Sostenible

Robby has a chat with Carlos Blé, the CEO of Lean Mind, an organization focused on boosting the growth of developers and teams. Carlos is a software crafter, entrepreneur, mentor, speaker, podcaster, blogger, and author of several tech books in Spanish (Diseño Ágil con TDD and Código Sostenible). He is also the Founder of Savvily, a publisher specializing in tech books. Carlos will start off by sharing the four important traits of well-maintained software and examples of what maintainable tests are. He will dive into the benefits of mutation testing and exploratory testing, why engineers should advocate for a TECHNICAL_DEBT.md file in their git repository, why software engineers should aim to reduce the technical burden for their product team, services that Lean Mind offers, his latest book, Código Sostenible, and how to be a good guest in another team's codebase. Stay tuned for that and so much more!Book Recommendations:Nonviolent Communication by Marshall RosenbergHelpful Links:Carlos on LinkedInCarlos on GithubCarlos on TwitterHis Websitehttps://leanmind.es/Subscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with Carlos Blé, the CEO of Lean Mind, an organization focused on boosting the growth of developers and teams. Carlos is a software crafter, entrepreneur, mentor, speaker, podcaster, blogger, and author of several tech books in Spanish (Diseño Ágil con TDD and Código Sostenible). He is also the Founder of Savvily, a publisher specializing in tech books. Carlos will start off by sharing the four important traits of well-maintained software and examples of what maintainable tests are. </p><p>He will dive into the benefits of<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_testing" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> mutation testing</a> and exploratory testing, why engineers should advocate for a <a href="http://TECHNICAL_DEBT.md" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TECHNICAL_DEBT.md</a> file in their git repository, why software engineers should aim to reduce the technical burden for their product team, services that Lean Mind offers, his latest book, Código Sostenible, and how to be a good guest in another team's codebase. Stay tuned for that and so much more!</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.cnvc.org/bookstore/books/NVC-A-Language-of-Life-3rd-Edition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg</a></li></ul><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlosble/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carlos on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://github.com/carlosble" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carlos on Github</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/carlosble" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carlos on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.carlosble.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">His Website</a></li><li><a href="https://leanmind.es/en/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://leanmind.es/</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</a></p>

Carlos Blé - Código Sostenible

Lena Reinhard

Robby has a chat with Executive and Leadership Coach, Lena Reinhard (she/her/hers). Lena is a speaker, writer, and Founder of Lena Reinhard Leadership Coaching and Consulting. Previously, Lena served as the VP of Engineering with CircleCI and TravisCI, as well as the startup Founder and CEO of The Neighbourhoodie Software GmbH.From Lena’s perspective, well-maintained software is supposed to serve a business’s goals and continuously improve not just reactively. She highlights the importance of organizations investing in their engineering team's skills. Lena will also talk about software as a team sport, strategies for managing technical debt, how technical debt is a loaded term, challenges teams have faced with micro-services, and what engineers might be encountering after teammates have been laid off. Tune in for that and so much more.Book Recommendations:Into The Planet by Jill HeinerthHelpful Links:The lettuce pact 🥬  https://twitter.com/lrnrdhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/lenareinhard/Subscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with Executive and Leadership Coach, Lena Reinhard (she/her/hers). Lena is a speaker, writer, and Founder of Lena Reinhard Leadership Coaching and Consulting. Previously, Lena served as the VP of Engineering with CircleCI and TravisCI, as well as the startup Founder and CEO of The Neighbourhoodie Software GmbH.</p><p>From Lena’s perspective, well-maintained software is supposed to serve a business’s goals and continuously improve not just reactively. She highlights the importance of organizations investing in their engineering team's skills. Lena will also talk about software as a team sport, strategies for managing technical debt, how technical debt is a loaded term, challenges teams have faced with micro-services, and what engineers might be encountering after teammates have been laid off. Tune in for that and so much more.</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Into-Planet-Life-Cave-Diver/dp/0062691546" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Into The Planet by Jill Heinerth</a></li></ul><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://hypercontext.com/blog/management-skills/lettuce-pact-for-difficult-feedback" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The lettuce pact 🥬  </a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/lrnrd" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/lrnrd</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lenareinhard/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lenareinhard/</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</a></p>

Lena Reinhard - How Will People Get Stuff Done?

Eric Normand

Robby has a chat with software engineer, trainer, and author of the book Grokking Simplicity, Eric Normand (he/him/his). As Eric reflects on his experience, the first thought he has of well-maintained software is that it’s like a unicorn (Something you can’t find in real life), but on a more serious note, he emphasizes that smaller code bases are easier to maintain and that the maintainability of a code base is also highly dependent on the team of engineers that are working on it.Robby and Eric will dive into the pros and cons of microservices in small organizations, why teams need to ensure they know where they're going with the future of their codebase, Eric's book - Grokking Simplicity, the differences within a functional programming language, higher-order functions, Eric’s journey toward authoring a technical book, and the value of engineers being able to get comfortable moving code around in a project without needing to ask for permission first. Tune in and enjoy!Book Recommendations:Book Recommendation: The Timeless Way of Building by Christopher W. Alexander&gt;Helpful Links:Grokking Simplicity By Eric Normand, ManningEric's WebsiteEric on LinkedInEric on TwitterSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with software engineer, trainer, and author of the book Grokking Simplicity, Eric Normand (he/him/his). As Eric reflects on his experience, the first thought he has of well-maintained software is that it’s like a unicorn (Something you can’t find in real life), but on a more serious note, he emphasizes that smaller code bases are easier to maintain and that the maintainability of a code base is also highly dependent on the team of engineers that are working on it.</p><p>Robby and Eric will dive into the pros and cons of microservices in small organizations, why teams need to ensure they know where they're going with the future of their codebase, Eric's book - Grokking Simplicity, the differences within a functional programming language, higher-order functions, Eric’s journey toward authoring a technical book, and the value of engineers being able to get comfortable moving code around in a project without needing to ask for permission first. Tune in and enjoy!</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/106728" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Book Recommendation: The Timeless Way of Building by Christopher W. Alexander&gt;</a></li></ul><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://grokkingsimplicity.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Grokking Simplicity By Eric Normand, Manning</a></li><li><a href="https://ericnormand.me/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eric's Website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/eric-normand/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eric on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/ericnormand" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eric on Twitter</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</a></p>

Eric Normand - Grokking Simplicity

Henrik Warne

Robby has a chat with Henrik Warne (he/him/his), the Senior Software Engineer at Talos. In Henrik’s view of well-maintained software, he talks about the importance of code having structure early on because, without structure, code tends to inevitably drift over time toward complexity. He highlights the importance of engineers being able to not only read code when they join a project but also be able to run the code and test it.Henrik will share the details of his blog titled, "There is No Software Maintenance," where he argues that software maintenance is simply software development, and how software is better seen as a product versus a project. He will talk about why all software engineers should spend a portion of their time working on bugs, tactics engineers can use to reflect on and capture their thoughts after fixing a bug, and strategies for teams to improve software and avoid rot. Stay tuned for more and enjoy.Book Recommendations:How to Win Friends &amp; Influence People by Dale CarnegieHelpful Links:There is No Software Maintenance By Henrik WarneHenrik's BlogHenrik on TwitterHenrik on LinkedInSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.

<p>Robby has a chat with Henrik Warne (he/him/his), the Senior Software Engineer at Talos. In Henrik’s view of well-maintained software, he talks about the importance of code having structure early on because, without structure, code tends to inevitably drift over time toward complexity. He highlights the importance of engineers being able to not only read code when they join a project but also be able to run the code and test it.</p><p>Henrik will share the details of his blog titled, "There is No Software Maintenance," where he argues that software maintenance is simply software development, and how software is better seen as a product versus a project. He will talk about why all software engineers should spend a portion of their time working on bugs, tactics engineers can use to reflect on and capture their thoughts after fixing a bug, and strategies for teams to improve software and avoid rot. Stay tuned for more and enjoy.</p><h2>Book Recommendations:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4865.How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">How to Win Friends &amp; Influence People by Dale Carnegie</a></li></ul><h2><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4865.How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Helpful Links:</a></h2><ul><li><a href="https://henrikwarne.com/2023/01/07/there-is-no-software-maintenance/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">There is No Software Maintenance By Henrik Warne</a></li><li><a href="https://henrikwarne.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Henrik's Blog</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/henrikwarne" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Henrik on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/henrikwarne/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Henrik on LinkedIn</a></li></ul><p><strong>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search <strong>"Maintainable"</strong> wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://hi.planetargon.com/maintainable-newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>Keep up to date with the Maintainable Podcast by joining the newsletter.</strong></a></p>

Henrik Warne - There is No Software Maintenance

Feel like you’re hitting a wall with your existing software projects? You're not alone. On the Maintainable software podcast, we speak with seasoned practitioners who have worked past the problems often associated with technical debt and legacy code.In each episode, our guests will share stories and outline tangible, real-world approaches to software challenges. In turn, you'll uncover new ways of thinking about how to improve your software project's maintainability. We're in this together. Enjoy the show!

I really like the variety of topics in this podcast. I also like that Robby posts similar questions to all guests. This gives us insights about the same topic from many different, varied, talented people.

Great Conversations About Maintainability and Maintainable Software! ❤️

Whether you’re well established as a technology leader, or just getting started building a codebase that’s built to last within your organization - this is a must-listen podcast for you! Robby does an incredible job leading conversations that cover a huge range of topics related to the ins and outs of navigating an ever-changing technology landscape - from leaders who’ve actually experienced success themselves. Highly recommend listening and subscribing!

Empowering, insightful and actionable! 🔥

Feel like you’re hitting a wall with your existing software projects? You're not alone. On the Maintainable software podcast, we speak with seasoned practitioners who have worked past the problems often associated with technical debt and legacy code.<br><br>In each episode, our guests will share stories and outline tangible, real-world approaches to software challenges. In turn, you'll uncover new ways of thinking about how to improve your software project's maintainability. We're in this together. Enjoy the show!

Maintainable

Robby speaks with Charity Majors, CTO of Honeycomb about her work as an Infrastructure Engineer, how Honeycomb was created, all about working and testing in production, and why software engineers should be "on call" for their code.Helpful linksFollow Charity on TwitterHoneycombThe Honeycomb blogCharity's blogSapiens: A Brief History of HumankindDatabase Reliability EngineeringSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityLoving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help grow our reach.Brought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>Robby speaks with Charity Majors, CTO of Honeycomb about her work as an Infrastructure Engineer, how Honeycomb was created, all about working and testing in production, and why software engineers should be "on call" for their code.</p><h2>Helpful links</h2><ul><li>Follow Charity <a href="https://twitter.com/mipsytipsy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.honeycomb.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Honeycomb</a></li><li><a href="https://blog.honeycomb.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Honeycomb blog</a></li><li><a href="https://charity.wtf/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Charity's blog</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind</a></li><li><a href="http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920039761.do" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Database Reliability Engineering</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p><strong>Loving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review </strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>on Apple Podcasts</strong></a><strong> to help grow our reach.</strong></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Charity Majors: Deploys Are Just The Beginning

Robert Meaney

Robby speaks to Robert Meaney, Head of Testing &amp; Test Coach at Poppulo. Robert explains the difference between technical debt and testing debt, the importance of observability, and more!Helpful Links:Follow Robert on TwitterRobert on LinkedInTestability BookFollow Testability Book on Twitter3X with Kent BeckAgile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile TeamsSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityLoving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help grow our reach.Brought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>Robby speaks to Robert Meaney, Head of Testing &amp; Test Coach at Poppulo. Robert explains the difference between technical debt and testing debt, the importance of observability, and more!</p><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li>Follow Robert <a href="https://twitter.com/robmeaney" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li>Robert <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-meaney-a6aa5819/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://skeltonthatcher.com/publications/team-guide-software-testability/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Testability Book</a></li><li>Follow Testability Book <a href="https://twitter.com/TestabilityBook" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX2XR73LnRY" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3X with Kent Beck</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Agile-Testing-Practical-Guide-Testers/dp/0321534468" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p><strong>Loving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review </strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>on Apple Podcasts</strong></a><strong> to help grow our reach.</strong></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Robert Meaney: Building Software That is Easy to Test

Michael Feathers

Robby speaks with programmer, speaker, and author Michael Feathers, most notably known as the author of the book Working Effectively with Legacy Code.Helpful Links[Book] Working Effectively with Legacy CodeFollow Michael on TwitterR7kr Research &amp; ConveyanceR7kr Research &amp; Conveyance on TwitterSocio-Technical Seeing: Modeling The Dynamics Of Code And AttentionMichael's blogSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community

<p>Robby speaks with programmer, speaker, and author Michael Feathers, most notably known as the author of the book Working Effectively with Legacy Code.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Working-Effectively-Legacy-Michael-Feathers/dp/0131177052" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Working Effectively with Legacy Code</a></li><li>Follow Michael <a href="https://twitter.com/mfeathers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.r7krecon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">R7kr Research &amp; Conveyance</a></li><li>R7kr Research &amp; Conveyance <a href="https://twitter.com/r7krecon" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://michaelfeathers.silvrback.com/socio-technical-seeing" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Socio-Technical Seeing: Modeling The Dynamics Of Code And Attention</a></li><li><a href="https://michaelfeathers.silvrback.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Michael's blog</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p>

Michael Feathers: Be Curious & Chase The Rabbit Holes

Justin Searls

Robby speaks with Justin Searls, Co-Founder at Test Double. Hear Justin's experience digging into technical debt, learn why software is like a sedimentary rock, and more.Helpful LinksFollow Justin on TwitterTest DoubleRuby gem: SutureJustin's Legacy Code talk at Ruby KaigiJustin on GithubConnect with Justin on LinkedIn[Book] Growing Object-Oriented Software Guided by TestsSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community

<p>Robby speaks with Justin Searls, Co-Founder at Test Double. Hear Justin's experience digging into technical debt, learn why software is like a sedimentary rock, and more.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li>Follow Justin <a href="https://twitter.com/searls" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.testdouble.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Test Double</a></li><li>Ruby gem: <a href="https://github.com/testdouble/suture" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Suture</a></li><li>Justin's <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQvDd9GPSB4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Legacy Code talk at Ruby Kaigi</a></li><li>Justin <a href="https://github.com/searls" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Github</a></li><li>Connect with Justin <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/searls/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on LinkedIn</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="http://www.growing-object-oriented-software.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Growing Object-Oriented Software Guided by Tests</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p>

Justin Searls: Learn To Understand The Runtime

Viktor Klang

Robby speaks with Viktor Klang, Deputy CTO at Lightbend Inc. They discuss how to avoid constant firefighting, effective use cases of TODO and FIXME comments, and how to create a safe space for developers to make mistakes.Helpful LinksFollow Viktor on TwitterViktor's websiteLightbendCloudstateSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community

<p>Robby speaks with Viktor Klang, Deputy CTO at Lightbend Inc. They discuss how to avoid constant firefighting, effective use cases of TODO and FIXME comments, and how to create a safe space for developers to make mistakes.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li><a href="https://twitter.com/viktorklang" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Follow Viktor</a> on Twitter</li><li><a href="viktorklang.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Viktor's website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.lightbend.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lightbend</a></li><li><a href="www.cloudstate.io" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cloudstate</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p>

Viktor Klang: Condensing The Codebase Over Time

Abby Bangser

Robby speaks with Abby Bangser, Senior Test Engineer on the Platform Engineering Team at MOO. They discuss how maintainable code leans on a dependable build and test process, what metrics Moo's platform engineering team measures, and codifying your pipeline – including having pipelines build on a regular basis.Helpful LinksFollow Abby on TwitterCareers at MooTester by ChoiceDeep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World by Cal NewportSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community

<p>Robby speaks with Abby Bangser, Senior Test Engineer on the Platform Engineering Team at MOO. They discuss how maintainable code leans on a dependable build and test process, what metrics Moo's platform engineering team measures, and codifying your pipeline – including having pipelines build on a regular basis.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li><a href="https://twitter.com/a_bangser" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Follow Abby</a> on Twitter</li><li><a href="https://www.moo.com/us/about/jobs" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Careers at Moo</a></li><li><a href="https://testerbychoice.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tester by Choice</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Work-Focused-Success-Distracted/dp/1455586692" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World by Cal Newport</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p>

Abby Bangser: Building Trust In Your Deployment Pipeline

Eileen M. Uchitelle

Robby speaks with Eileen M. Uchitelle, Senior Software Engineer at Github and member of the Rails Core Team. You'll hear about Eileen's work upgrading Github from Rails 3.2 to 5.2, how Github prioritized the upgrade, and why teams should get ahead and upgrade to Rails 6.Helpful linksFollow Eileen on TwitterUpgrading GitHub from Rails 3.2 to 5.2Eileen's blogThe Success of Open Source by Steven WeberSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityLoving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help grow our reach.Brought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>Robby speaks with Eileen M. Uchitelle, Senior Software Engineer at Github and member of the Rails Core Team. You'll hear about Eileen's work upgrading Github from Rails 3.2 to 5.2, how Github prioritized the upgrade, and why teams should get ahead and upgrade to Rails 6.</p><h2>Helpful links</h2><ul><li><a href="https://twitter.com/eileencodes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Follow Eileen</a> on Twitter</li><li><a href="https://github.blog/2018-09-28-upgrading-github-from-rails-3-2-to-5-2/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Upgrading GitHub from Rails 3.2 to 5.2</a></li><li><a href="https://eileencodes.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eileen's blog</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Success-Open-Source-Steven-Weber/dp/0674018583" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Success of Open Source</a> by Steven Weber</li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p><strong>Loving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review </strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>on Apple Podcasts</strong></a><strong> to help grow our reach.</strong></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Eileen M. Uchitelle: Upgrading Ruby on Rails At Github And How To Stay Updated

Robby speaks with Marco "Ocramius" Pivetta, a software consultant specializing in PHP. Marco gives his input on different types of technical debt he's seen, working with less experienced developers as a senior, and getting "kicked in the teeth" as a developer. He also shares what great senior devs should spend more time on (hint: It's not writing code).Helpful LinksFollow Marco on TwitterMarco on Github[Book] Effective Java by Joshua Bloch[Book] Learn You a Haskell for Great Good!: A Beginner's Guideby Miran LipovacaSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityLoving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help grow our reach.Brought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>Robby speaks with Marco "Ocramius" Pivetta, a software consultant specializing in PHP. Marco gives his input on different types of technical debt he's seen, working with less experienced developers as a senior, and getting "kicked in the teeth" as a developer. He also shares what great senior devs should spend more time on (hint: It's not writing code).</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li><a href="https://twitter.com/Ocramius" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Follow Marco</a> on Twitter<ul><li><a href="https://github.com/Ocramius" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Marco on Github</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Effective-Java-Joshua-Bloch/dp/0134685997" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Effective Java</a> by Joshua Bloch</li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Learn-You-Haskell-Great-Good/dp/1593272839/r" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Learn You a Haskell for Great Good!: A Beginner's Guide</a><br/>by Miran Lipovaca</li></ul></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p><strong>Loving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review </strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>on Apple Podcasts</strong></a><strong> to help grow our reach.</strong></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Marco "Ocramius" Pivetta: What Senior Devs Should Spend More Time On (It's Not Writing Code)

Robby speaks with Sahil Lavingia, Founder and CEO of Gumroad. Sahil has been transparent about the challenges of building a company – speaking on VC investments, layoffs, and more. Sahil talks about why he built Gumroad, adjusting development processes when your staff shrinks, working with VCs, and the future of Gumroad, including the pros and cons of potentially open sourcing the product.Helpful LinksFollow Sahil on TwitterGumroadReflecting on My Failure to Build a Billion Dollar CompanyHigh Output Management by Andrew S. GroveHow to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale CarnegieThinking Fast and Slow by Daniel KahnemanSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityBrought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>Robby speaks with Sahil Lavingia, Founder and CEO of Gumroad. Sahil has been transparent about the challenges of building a company – speaking on VC investments, layoffs, and more. Sahil talks about why he built Gumroad, adjusting development processes when your staff shrinks, working with VCs, and the future of Gumroad, including the pros and cons of potentially open sourcing the product.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li>Follow Sahil <a href="https://twitter.com/shl" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://gumroad.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gumroad</a></li><li><a href="https://medium.com/s/story/reflecting-on-my-failure-to-build-a-billion-dollar-company-b0c31d7db0e7" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Reflecting on My Failure to Build a Billion Dollar Company</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/High-Output-Management-Andrew-Grove/dp/0679762884" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">High Output Management</a> by Andrew S. Grove</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/1439167346/ref=sr_1_3?crid=OMCWDAMP08KQ&amp;keywords=how+to+win+friends+and+influence+people+by+dale+carnegie&amp;qid=1557163344&amp;s=books&amp;sprefix=how+ot+win+fri%2Cstripbooks%2C204&amp;sr=1-3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">How to Win Friends and Influence People</a> by Dale Carnegie</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374275637/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3DIN0Q1SOI7H8&amp;keywords=thinking+fast+and+slow&amp;qid=1557163372&amp;s=books&amp;sprefix=thinking+f%2Cstripbooks%2C198&amp;sr=1-3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Thinking Fast and Slow</a> by Daniel Kahneman</li></ul><h3>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h3><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Sahil Lavingia: Pushing Forward Through Technical Debt After a Massive Layoff

Scott Ford

Robby speaks with M. Scott Ford, CTO and Chief Code Whisperer at Corgibytes and co-host of the Legacy Code Rocks podcast. They discuss the difference between Makers and Menders, how to prioritize a technical debt backlog, and how to provide feedback to other developers.Helpful LinksM. Scott Ford on TwitterCorgibytesLegacy Code Rocks[Book] Lehman’s Laws of Software Evolution and the Staged-Model[Book] Radical CandorSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community

<p>Robby speaks with M. Scott Ford, CTO and Chief Code Whisperer at Corgibytes and co-host of the Legacy Code Rocks podcast. They discuss the difference between Makers and Menders, how to prioritize a technical debt backlog, and how to provide feedback to other developers.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li>M. Scott Ford <a href="https://twitter.com/mscottford" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://corgibytes.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Corgibytes</a></li><li><a href="https://www.legacycode.rocks/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Legacy Code Rocks</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/blogs/karchworld_identity/lehmans-laws-of-software-evolution-and-the-staged-model" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lehman’s Laws of Software Evolution and the Staged-Model</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Candor-Revised-Kick-Ass-Humanity/dp/1250235375/ref=sr_1_3?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIirTih6n65gIVUR6tBh1vzQHQEAAYASAAEgIdd_D_BwE&amp;hvadid=241909703410&amp;hvdev=c&amp;hvlocphy=9061082&amp;hvnetw=g&amp;hvpos=1t1&amp;hvqmt=e&amp;hvrand=15110089273854941080&amp;hvtargid=kwd-136547844989&amp;hydadcr=22533_10344512&amp;keywords=radical+candor&amp;qid=1578703577&amp;sr=8-3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radical Candor</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p>

M. Scott Ford: Menders In Hiding and the Joy of Legacy Code

Nathaniel Bibler

Robby speaks with Nathaniel Bibler, CTO at Envy Labs. They discuss how to talk about technical debt as a team, navigating communication challenges with clients, and how to be a good guest in another team's code base. If you work – or want to work – at an agency, you should listen to this episode.Helpful LinksFollow Nathaniel on TwitterInsights by Envy LabsNathaniel on GithubConnect on LinkedInSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community

<p>Robby speaks with Nathaniel Bibler, CTO at Envy Labs. They discuss how to talk about technical debt as a team, navigating communication challenges with clients, and how to be a good guest in another team's code base. If you work – or want to work – at an agency, you should listen to this episode.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li>Follow Nathaniel <a href="https://twitter.com/nbibler" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://envylabs.com/insights/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Insights by Envy Labs</a></li><li>Nathaniel <a href="https://github.com/nbibler" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Github</a></li><li>Connect <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanielbibler/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on LinkedIn</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p>

Nathaniel Bibler: Communication Strategies Between Developers and Clients

Robby speaks with Ana Nelson, a software developer, writer, improv performer, and creator of Dexy — an open-source tool for writing any kind of technical document that incorporates code.Helpful LinksAna's websiteDexyFollow Ana on TwitterAna on GithubConnect with Ana on LinkedInWhat is Transclusion?The Modern Scholar by Professor Michael D. C. Drout[Book] On the Origin of Stories: Evolution, Cognition, and Fiction[Book] The Anatomy of Story: 22 Steps to Becoming a Master StorytellerSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community

<p>Robby speaks with Ana Nelson, a software developer, writer, improv performer, and creator of Dexy — an open-source tool for writing any kind of technical document that incorporates code.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><p><a href="http://www.ananelson.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ana's website</a></p><p><a href="http://www.dexy.it" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dexy</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/ananelson" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Follow Ana</a> on Twitter</p><p><a href="https://github.com/ananelson" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ana on Github</a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ana-nelson-3ab32b3/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Connect with Ana</a> on LinkedIn</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transclusion" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">What is Transclusion?</a></p><p><a href="https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Modern-Scholar-Audiobook/B002VA3LIA" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Modern Scholar</a> by Professor Michael D. C. Drout</p><p>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Origin-Stories-Evolution-Cognition-Fiction/dp/0674057112" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">On the Origin of Stories: Evolution, Cognition, and Fiction</a></p><p>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Story-Becoming-Master-Storyteller/dp/0865479933" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Anatomy of Story: 22 Steps to Becoming a Master Storyteller</a></p><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p>

Ana Nelson: Writing Maintainable Code Documentation with Automated Tools and Transclusion

Beth Long

Robby speaks with Beth Long, Software Engineer on the Build &amp; Deploy Tools Engineering team at New Relic. They discuss the origin of the technical debt metaphor, considering when a rewrite is necessary (spoiler alert – it rarely is), and speak about the limitations of agile across modern engineering teams.Helpful LinksBeth's websiteFollow Beth on TwitterConnect with Beth on LinkedIn[Book] Beyond Human Error by David D. Woods[Book] Sources of Power by Gary KleinSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community

<p>Robby speaks with Beth Long, Software Engineer on the Build &amp; Deploy Tools Engineering team at New Relic. They discuss the origin of the technical debt metaphor, considering when a rewrite is necessary (spoiler alert – it rarely is), and speak about the limitations of agile across modern engineering teams.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li><a href="http://bethadele.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Beth's website</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/bethadelelong" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Follow Beth</a> on Twitter</li><li><a href="https://linkedin.com/in/beth-adele-long" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Connect with Beth</a> on LinkedIn</li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Behind-Human-Error-David-Woods/dp/0754678342" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Beyond Human Error</a> by David D. Woods</li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sources-Power-People-Decisions-Press/dp/0262534290/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sources of Power</a> by Gary Klein</li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p>

Beth Long: Maintainable Code Prioritizes How Humans Interact With It

Coraline Ada Ehmke

Robby speaks with Coraline Ada Ehmke, Principal Engineer at Stitch Fix and author of The Compassionate Coder. Coraline speaks about the social side of coding and empathy in open source and legacy projects. Robby and Coraline also walk through some possible scenarios on development teams and how to handle them with empathy.Helpful links:Follow Coraline on TwitterCoraline's websiteThe Compassionate Coder by Coraline Ada Ehmke and Naomi FreemanPatterns of Enterprise Application Architecture by Martin FowlerThe Ruby Way by Hal Fulton &amp; André ArkoSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityBrought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>Robby speaks with Coraline Ada Ehmke, Principal Engineer at Stitch Fix and author of The Compassionate Coder. Coraline speaks about the social side of coding and empathy in open source and legacy projects. Robby and Coraline also walk through some possible scenarios on development teams and how to handle them with empathy.</p><h2>Helpful links:</h2><ul><li>Follow Coraline <a href="https://twitter.com/coralineada" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://where.coraline.codes/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Coraline's website</a></li><li><a href="https://compassionatecoder.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Compassionate Coder</a> by Coraline Ada Ehmke and Naomi Freeman</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Enterprise-Application-Architecture-Martin/dp/0321127420" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture</a> by Martin Fowler</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ruby-Way-Programming-Addison-Wesley-Professional/dp/0321714636/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Ruby Way</a> by Hal Fulton &amp; André Arko</li></ul><h3>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h3><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Coraline Ada Ehmke: The Role Of Empathy In Engineering Teams

Melissa Eaden

Robby speaks with Melissa Eaden, Tech Lead in Quality at Unity 3D. She shares her experience working with legacy code as it relates to testing.Helpful Links:Follow Melissa on TwitterMelissa's blogMelissa on LinkedInA Vigilante for Quality[Book] Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes Are HighUnitySubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityLoving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help grow our reach.Brought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>Robby speaks with Melissa Eaden, Tech Lead in Quality at Unity 3D. She shares her experience working with legacy code as it relates to testing.</p><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li>Follow Melissa <a href="https://twitter.com/melthetester" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="http://testingandmoviesandstuff.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Melissa's blog</a></li><li>Melissa <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mleaden/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://testingandmoviesandstuff.blogspot.com/2018/07/a-vigilante-for-quality-vs-bridging-us.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A Vigilante for Quality</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Conversations-Talking-Stakes-Second/dp/1469266822" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High</a></li><li><a href="https://unity.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Unity</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p><strong>Loving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review </strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>on Apple Podcasts</strong></a><strong> to help grow our reach.</strong></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Melissa Eaden: It's Never a One Person Job

Jonathan Cutrell

This week Robby interviews the host of the Developer Tea podcast, Jonathan Cutrell. They discuss what constitutes debt, how to build a strong team, and more!Helpful Links:Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel KahnemanDeveloper Tea PodcastFollow Jonathan on TwitterJonathan on LinkedInSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityLoving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help grow our reach.Brought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>This week Robby interviews the host of the Developer Tea podcast, Jonathan Cutrell. They discuss what constitutes debt, how to build a strong team, and more!</p><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Thinking, Fast and Slow</a> by Daniel Kahneman</li><li><a href="https://spec.fm/podcasts/developer-tea" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Developer Tea Podcast</a></li><li>Follow Jonathan on <a href="https://twitter.com/JCutrell" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a></li><li>Jonathan on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jcutrell/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p><strong>Loving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review </strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>on Apple Podcasts</strong></a><strong> to help grow our reach.</strong></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Jonathan Cutrell: Healthy Teams Know How to Eradicate Fear

This week Robby chats with Liran Haimovitch, co-founder of Rookout. Liran discusses things like how the term "technical debt" is misused, as well as how to overcome it.Helpful Links:Contact LiranRookoutBook: The Phoenix ProjectSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityLoving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help grow our reach.Brought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>This week Robby chats with Liran Haimovitch, co-founder of Rookout. Liran discusses things like how the term "technical debt" is misused, as well as how to overcome it.</p><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="mailto:liran@rookout.com">Contact Liran</a></li><li><a href="https://www.rookout.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rookout</a></li><li>Book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Project-DevOps-Helping-Business-ebook/dp/B00AZRBLHO" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Phoenix Project</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p><strong>Loving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review </strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>on Apple Podcasts</strong></a><strong> to help grow our reach.</strong></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Liran Haimovitch: The Benefits of Observability

Liz Keogh

This week's episode features Liz Keogh, Lean &amp; Agile Coach and Trainer. Robby and Liz talk about behavior-driven development (BDD), what it's like to be a coach, and more!Helpful Links:Follow Liz on TwitterVisit Liz's websiteThe Phoenix Project by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, and George SpaffordRefactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin FowlerSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityLoving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help grow our reach.Brought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>This week's episode features Liz Keogh, Lean &amp; Agile Coach and Trainer. Robby and Liz talk about behavior-driven development (BDD), what it's like to be a coach, and more!</p><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li>Follow Liz on <a href="https://twitter.com/lunivore" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a></li><li>Visit Liz's <a href="https://lizkeogh.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Project-DevOps-Helping-Business/dp/0988262592" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Phoenix Project</a> by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, and George Spafford</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Refactoring-Improving-Existing-Addison-Wesley-Signature/dp/0134757599/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Refactoring%2C+by+Martin+Fowler&amp;qid=1566338501&amp;s=books&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code</a> by Martin Fowler</li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p><strong>Loving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review </strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>on Apple Podcasts</strong></a><strong> to help grow our reach.</strong></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Liz Keogh: The Power of Asking, "Can You Give Me An Example?"

Gitte Klitgaard

Robby speaks with Gitte Klitgaard, Agile Coach and Owner of Native Wired. They discuss how to create space for psychological safety, the importance of sharing mistakes and fuck-ups of the week, and understanding, coping and taking advantage of your Imposter Syndrome.Helpful LinksNative WiredGitte on TwitterGitte on LinkedIn[Book] I Thought It Was Just Me by Brene BrownBrene Brown's Ted Talk on vulnerabilitySubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community

<p>Robby speaks with Gitte Klitgaard, Agile Coach and Owner of Native Wired. They discuss how to create space for psychological safety, the importance of sharing mistakes and fuck-ups of the week, and understanding, coping and taking advantage of your Imposter Syndrome.</p><h2>Helpful Links</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.nativewired.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Native Wired</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/nativewired" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gitte on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gitteklitgaard" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gitte on LinkedIn</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Thought-Was-Just-Me-Reclaiming/dp/1592402631" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">I Thought It Was Just Me</a> by Brene Brown</li><li><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Brene Brown's Ted Talk on vulnerability</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1459893010/maintainable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overcast</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ah6xxZ04VQBqjBB5ZU0Ll?si=1ZcnrwoJSNiksYgDqsRmRQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p>

Gitte Klitgaard: Making Space For Psychological Safety in Software Teams

Victor Rentea

Robby speaks with Victor Rentea, an independent technical trainer and Lead Architect at IBM based in Romania. Victor talks about teaching other engineers about legacy code, calling yourself an "expert", and what to do when you're rushed to deliver features but are dealing with refactoring challenges.Helpful Links:Victor's websiteFollow Victor on TwitterConnect with Victor on LinkedIn[Book] The Business of Expertise[Book] Apprenticeship Patterns: Guidance for the Aspiring Software Craftsman[Book] Extreme Programming Explained[Book] Refactoring (2nd Edition)[Book] The Software CraftsmanClean Coders Training VideosYoutube: Best Talks by Victor RenteaSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord CommunityLoving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help grow our reach.Brought to you by the team at Planet Argon.

<p>Robby speaks with Victor Rentea, an independent technical trainer and Lead Architect at IBM based in Romania. Victor talks about teaching other engineers about legacy code, calling yourself an "expert", and what to do when you're rushed to deliver features but are dealing with refactoring challenges.</p><h2>Helpful Links:</h2><ul><li><a href="https://victorrentea.ro/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Victor's website</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/VictorRentea" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Follow Victor</a> on Twitter</li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/victor-rentea-trainer/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Connect with Victor</a> on LinkedIn</li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Business-Expertise-Entrepreneurial-Experts-Convert/dp/B07C8RDXZN/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=the+business+of+expertise&amp;qid=1569013444&amp;s=books&amp;sr=1-3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Business of Expertise</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apprenticeship-Patterns-Guidance-Aspiring-Craftsman/dp/0596518382" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apprenticeship Patterns: Guidance for the Aspiring Software Craftsman</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Programming-Explained-Embrace-Change/dp/0321278658/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2YXVDBND0RZQP&amp;keywords=extreme+programming+explained&amp;qid=1569013144&amp;s=books&amp;sprefix=extreme+programming%2Cstripbooks%2C343&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Extreme Programming Explained</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Refactoring-Improving-Existing-Addison-Wesley-Signature/dp/0134757599/ref=sr_1_1?crid=209U2IKYWZJRV&amp;keywords=refactoring+2nd+edition&amp;qid=1569013170&amp;s=books&amp;sprefix=refactoring+2nd%2Cstripbooks%2C202&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Refactoring (2nd Edition)</a></li><li>[Book] <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Software-Craftsman-Professionalism-Pragmatism-Robert-ebook/dp/B00QXAGIDO/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1431474238&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Software Craftsman</a></li><li><a href="https://cleancoders.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Clean Coders Training Videos</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMHO7_RLxgQ&amp;list=PLggcOULvfLL_MfFS_O0MKQ5W_6oWWbIw5" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Youtube: Best Talks by Victor Rentea</a></li></ul><h2>Subscribe to Maintainable on:</h2><ul><li>Apple Podcasts</li><li>Overcast</li></ul><p>Or search "Maintainable" wherever you stream your podcasts.</p><p><a href="https://discord.com/invite/u8BwA2kvyu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Join the discussion in the Maintainable Discord Community</a></p><p><strong>Loving Maintainable? Leave a rating and review</strong> <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintainable/id1459893010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>on Apple Podcasts</strong></a> <strong>to help grow our reach.</strong></p><p>Brought to you by the team at <a href="https://www.planetargon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Planet Argon</a>.</p>

Victor Rentea: Never Separate The Refactoring From The Deliverable

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