This week we explore the concepts of False Self and True Self, as defined by that book we've been referencing lately. While of course we all intuitively have a sense of those definitions as they apply to ourselves, we try to explore the concepts more deeply. We specifically discuss examples of how we've operated from a false self place by prioritizing others' rules and expectations over our own, but we also talk about growing into more true self expression, even if it makes our lives messier sometimes. These concepts are also applied to the choice to remain kidless. Resource: Comprehensive Dictionary of Psychoanalysis by Salman AkhtarIG: @kidless_pod

This week we explore the concepts of False Self and True Self, as defined by that book we've been referencing lately. While of course we all intuitively have a sense of those definitions as they apply to ourselves, we try to explore the concepts more deeply. We specifically discuss examples of how we've operated from a false self place by prioritizing others' rules and expectations over our own, but we also talk about growing into more true self expression, even if it makes our lives messier sometimes. These concepts are also applied to the choice to remain kidless.  Resource: Comprehensive Dictionary of Psychoanalysis by Salman Akhtar IG: @kidless_pod

False v. True Self

A discussion on mourning. We discuss: 1. The role of mourning in human life. 2. How mourning can be applied narrowly (a death) or broadly (all losses and changes, big and little). 3. It's necessary for peaceful passage through life. 4. How idealization of what was lost can prevent mourning and therefore peaceful passage through life. 5. Ashley hurts Eric's feelings early in the show, which is discussed toward the end and helps us  get to a final part of the discussion: 6.  If you make a choice, and you feel sad once the choice is made, that doesn't mean you've made the wrong decision. You're not a robot. Let yourself feel it. **One thing we didn't say in the episode: Even if you're sad after choosing to not have children, it doesn't mean you've made the wrong decision. You have to let yourself acknowledge the path you didn't take and what it means so that you can be open to what blessings you will receive. We tried to use as many examples from our lives as we could think of. Hope you find this helpful. Resource: Comprehensive Dictionary of Psychoanalysis by Salman AkhtarIG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

A discussion on mourning. We discuss: 1. The role of mourning in human life. 2. How mourning can be applied narrowly (a death) or broadly (all losses and changes, big and little). 3. It's necessary for peaceful passage through life. 4. How idealization of what was lost can prevent mourning and therefore peaceful passage through life. 5. Ashley hurts Eric's feelings early in the show, which is discussed toward the end and helps us  get to a final part of the discussion: 6.  If you make a choice, and you feel sad once the choice is made, that doesn't mean you've made the wrong decision. You're not a robot. Let yourself feel it. **One thing we didn't say in the episode: Even if you're sad after choosing to not have children, it doesn't mean you've made the wrong decision. You have to let yourself acknowledge the path you didn't take and what it means so that you can be open to what blessings you will receive.  We tried to use as many examples from our lives as we could think of. Hope you find this helpful.  Resource: Comprehensive Dictionary of Psychoanalysis by Salman Akhtar IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

The Necessity of Mourning

This week we tackle this definition of nostalgia: "Nostalgia is a mixed affective state of pain and joy associated with the wish to recapture an idealized past. Pain is evoked by the awareness of separation from old objects (people) and joy by a fantasized reunion with an idealized version of them through reminiscences."We use our own experiences and those of some celebs like Leonardo Dicaprio to think about this concept. Find Ashley on IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

This week we tackle this definition of nostalgia: "Nostalgia is a mixed affective state of pain and joy associated with the wish to recapture an idealized past. Pain is evoked by the awareness of separation from old objects (people) and joy by a fantasized reunion with an idealized version of them through reminiscences." We use our own experiences and those of some celebs like Leonardo Dicaprio to think about this concept.  Find Ashley on IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

Nostalgia: Fact? Fiction? Fantasy?

We ponder meaningful and marked goodbyes and their importance while reflecting on  past experiences as well as our current parting with our home of 5 years . IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

We ponder meaningful and marked goodbyes and their importance while reflecting on  past experiences as well as our current parting with our home of 5 years .  IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

Goodbyes

As any real conversation should, we meander a bit until we get to the meat of something currently important to us. We do end up connecting some dots, and the takeaway is something like: you bring your battles to your doorstep, you choose them, and you can also unchoose them. IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

As any real conversation should, we meander a bit until we get to the meat of something currently important to us. We do end up connecting some dots, and the takeaway is something like: you bring your battles to your doorstep, you choose them, and you can also unchoose them.  IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

You Choose Your Battles

We take you through this past week's chaos - are we selling our house? Getting an apartment? Developing tumors or watching our house collapse? Divorcing? All possible.(Jkjkjkjkjk I watch Eric sleep at night - you think I'd let him leave me??? -A)IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

We take you through this past week's chaos - are we selling our house? Getting an apartment? Developing tumors or watching our house collapse? Divorcing? All possible. (Jkjkjkjkjk I watch Eric sleep at night - you think I'd let him leave me??? -A) IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

FFO: Foundation Freak-Out

A little follow-up on how Eric's doing post-surgery and then a bigger discussion about how important is to claim and feel claimed in our relationships. How taking ownership over friendships helps to keep them afloat. 

A little follow-up on how Eric's doing post-surgery and then a bigger discussion about how important is to claim and feel claimed in our relationships. How taking ownership over friendships helps to keep them afloat.

Staking Claims

Well, it's a shorter episode because it's still freshly post-op for Eric, and he gets tired easily, but we wanted to check in and update everyone on the nose surgery and how it went/how it's going. 

Well, it's a shorter episode because it's still freshly post-op for Eric, and he gets tired easily, but we wanted to check in and update everyone on the nose surgery and how it went/how it's going.

Post-Op

We start with a brief discussion about whether non-parents are justified to speak about parenting, and we follow-up on the Vegas trip and let you in on some of the internal battles we fought re: [our fears of] irresponsibility while simply trying to live our best high fashion lives. Contact us on IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

We start with a brief discussion about whether non-parents are justified to speak about parenting, and we follow-up on the Vegas trip and let you in on some of the internal battles we fought re: [our fears of] irresponsibility while simply trying to live our best high fashion lives.  Contact us on IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

Frivolous Shmivolous

Do you guys go out? Do you guys see people? Are we the problem? Isolation is the name of the game for us - HOW DO YOU MAKE FRIENDS?! DM us on IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

Do you guys go out? Do you guys see people? Are we the problem? Isolation is the name of the game for us - HOW DO YOU MAKE FRIENDS?!  DM us on IG: @ashley.mason.cmhc

Are We the Problem?

We're Ashley and Eric, and we want to work on creating a meaningful life without having children. We believe there's a way to feel full and satisfied in life and tend to believe it's done by creating meaning out of everything big and small - from love and intimacy to reality tv to career development and celebrity culture. It's all the things we have time to think and talk about since we aren't busy keeping tiny humans alive.

Thank you for your honesty. I feel like you two are the cool neighbors I would be too afraid to talk to!

A must listen

One listen and I’m hooked.

Kidless

This episode we interview Katy, a person previously unknown to us, which is a first for this podcast. She is childless and childfree, both terms apply to her, depending on whether the feeling of loss is taking center stage or the sense of empowerment related to taking control of her life and her choices. She wanted children, but it was an arduous and exhausting journey, and it ultimately didn't get her what she wanted - a child. We talk to her about this process and how she thinks about her transition from wanting children to settling into a life that's bountiful in other ways.   Find Katy on IG: @chasing.creationShe has a website which is linked on her IG, and she hosts webinars on the topic of life after struggles with infertility. 

This episode we interview Katy, a person previously unknown to us, which is a first for this podcast. She is childless and childfree, both terms apply to her, depending on whether the feeling of loss is taking center stage or the sense of empowerment related to taking control of her life and her choices. She wanted children, but it was an arduous and exhausting journey, and it ultimately didn't get her what she wanted - a child. We talk to her about this process and how she thinks about her transition from wanting children to settling into a life that's bountiful in other ways.    Find Katy on IG:  @chasing.creation She has a website which is linked on her IG, and she hosts webinars on the topic of life after struggles with infertility.

Meet Katy.

...into a family that should've kept procreation to a low roar. Oh Succession, you bring us so much joy. Succession is filled with narcissism, antisocial personality trends, corruption, money, repressed and internalized anger, and painful, wretched, and ultimately relatable family dynamics. The show is full of teachable moments - helping us all learn about people who should not have [had] children. We thought we'd use this show to talk about some of the concepts we've already discussed on this show. Let us know what you think. Are you into this show as much as we are? It's not a total replacement for GoT, but it'll do. IG: @kidlesspodcastEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com

...into a family that should've kept procreation to a low roar. Oh Succession, you bring us so much joy. Succession is filled with narcissism, antisocial personality trends, corruption, money, repressed and internalized anger, and painful, wretched, and ultimately relatable family dynamics. The show is full of teachable moments - helping us all learn about people who should not have [had] children. We thought we'd use this show to talk about some of the concepts we've already discussed on this show. Let us know what you think. Are you into this show as much as we are? It's not a total replacement for GoT, but it'll do.  IG: @kidlesspodcast Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com

Succession (HBO): A deep dive...

Jenevieve Hubbard Fitch

Jenevieve is beautiful inside and out. She's also a mother, but not necessarily through conscious choice. She discusses her family history which affected her feelings about having kids, and she takes us through her emotional journey with having a daughter, all the while feeling very ambivalent about being a parent. We're getting our sea legs here as we interview someone together for the first time, but we hope no matter what path you've chosen, you'll get something out of it. As always, another installment of Victor/Victim is at the end. Check Jenevieve out on Instagram: @BeehivelforalcoPlease rate on iTunes and hit us with any all feedback you have: Instagram: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.comThanks for listening! 

Jenevieve is beautiful inside and out. She's also a mother, but not necessarily through conscious choice. She discusses her family history which affected her feelings about having kids, and she takes us through her emotional journey with having a daughter, all the while feeling very ambivalent about being a parent. We're getting our sea legs here as we interview someone together for the first time, but we hope no matter what path you've chosen, you'll get something out of it.  As always, another installment of Victor/Victim is at the end.  Check Jenevieve out on Instagram:  @Beehivelforalco Please rate on iTunes and hit us with any all feedback you have:  Instagram: @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com Thanks for listening!

Our First Guest! Meet Jenevieve Hubbard Fitch.

We're back! We are long-time watchers of anything Barby does on the social meeds, so we were really excited to use this podcast as an excuse to finally sit down and have a conversation with her and get to know her. We find her to be as gorgeous as she is hilarious, open, bawdy, fiery, opinionated...real.  We talk to her about her life growing up with a depressed mom, immigrating to the US from Mexico as a young child, becoming a young mother, choosing that stripper lyyyyfe, all the other ways she has chosen to uniquely and creatively live her own individual life and walk down her own path, as well as the growth she continues to pursue. We say this on the episode, but we'll say it here, too - she's so compelling, engaging, delightful. This was pure fun for us. Hope you enjoy. Find Barby on IG: @barbywithayyFind us on IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail us: kidlesspod@gmail.com

We're back! We are long-time watchers of anything Barby does on the social meeds, so we were really excited to use this podcast as an excuse to finally sit down and have a conversation with her and get to know her. We find her to be as gorgeous as she is hilarious, open, bawdy, fiery, opinionated...real.  We talk to her about her life growing up with a depressed mom, immigrating to the US from Mexico as a young child, becoming a young mother, choosing that stripper lyyyyfe, all the other ways she has chosen to uniquely and creatively live her own individual life and walk down her own path, as well as the growth she continues to pursue. We say this on the episode, but we'll say it here, too - she's so compelling, engaging, delightful. This was pure fun for us. Hope you enjoy.  Find Barby on IG: @barbywithayy Find us on IG: @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email us: kidlesspod@gmail.com

Barby Garcia!

Jk, jk, they didn't abandon us. Not even a little bit. We sit down to have an unplanned (for them) conversation with our dear friends Tara and Eva about what it was like for all of us when they decided to start a family. We touch on what it was like for the two of them to feel differently about having children, how it changed our friendships, and what helped us all with the transition. Tara and Eva participate in victor/victim, and Ashley offers maybe the most unpleasant victor/victim share to date. Find Eva and Tara on the social meeds: IG: @lezglam, @tara.jeanneFind us on the social meeds: IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.comAs always, thank you for listening!

Jk, jk, they didn't abandon us. Not even a little bit. We sit down to have an unplanned (for them) conversation with our dear friends Tara and Eva about what it was like for all of us when they decided to start a family. We touch on what it was like for the two of them to feel differently about having children, how it changed our friendships, and what helped us all with the transition.  Tara and Eva participate in victor/victim, and Ashley offers maybe the most unpleasant victor/victim share to date.  Find Eva and Tara on the social meeds:  IG: @lezglam, @tara.jeanne Find us on the social meeds:  IG: @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com As always, thank you for listening!

When your friends abandon you for parenthood!

This week we talk about anger with the delightful Jenevieve - if you haven't listened to our first episode with her, see that you do. Now, about anger. We talk about the different forms and discuss the distinctions between them all and how one becomes another - we differentiate between aggression and sadism, and the difference between anger and rage and hatred and a grievance. Didn't know you could make so many distinctions? Didn't know that if you don't express anger, it ends up as the other types? Neither did we, but we found it helpful as we applied it to our own lives, and hopefully it will help you see the importance of utilizing your feelings of anger in your lives as well. Articles mentioned: Jan Weiner:LinkChristopher Bollas:LinkAs always, hit us up!IG: @kidlesspodcastEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com

This week we talk about anger with the delightful Jenevieve - if you haven't listened to our first episode with her, see that you do. Now, about anger. We talk about the different forms and discuss the distinctions between them all and how one becomes another - we differentiate between aggression and sadism, and the difference between anger and rage and hatred and a grievance. Didn't know you could make so many distinctions? Didn't know that if you don't express anger, it ends up as the other types? Neither did we, but we found it helpful as we applied it to our own lives, and hopefully it will help you see the importance of utilizing your feelings of anger in your lives as well. Articles mentioned: Jan Weiner: <a href="http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=joap.043.0493a&amp;type=hitlist&amp;num=0&amp;query=zone1%2Carticle%7Czone2%2Cparagraphs%7Ctitle%2Cvolcano%7Cviewperiod%2Cweek%7Csort%2Chitrank%2Cd#hit1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Link</a> Christopher Bollas: <a href=" http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=aop.012.0221a&amp;type=hitlist&amp;num=0&amp;query=fulltext1%2Chate%7Czone1%2Carticle%7Czone2%2Cparagraphs%7Cauthor%2Cbollas+%7Cviewperiod%2Cweek%7Csort%2Chitrank%2Cd#hit1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Link</a> As always, hit us up! IG: @kidlesspodcast Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com

Express your anger and be free! ft. Jenevieve Hubbard Fitch

In this week's episode we discuss the societal push for happiness, as if happy is the only state or emotion that matters. We reflect on what made us happy as kids and use that to think about how we view happiness and true joy as adults. We also touch on all the advice out there that includes so-called shortcuts to happiness and highlight the importance of allowing other emotions to arise. Stay tuned to the end for the latest victor/victim. Thank you for listening! Let us know what you're thinking! IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com

In this week's episode we discuss the societal push for happiness, as if happy is the only state or emotion that matters. We reflect on what made us happy as kids and use that to think about how we view happiness and true joy as adults. We also touch on all the advice out there that includes so-called shortcuts to happiness and highlight the importance of allowing other emotions to arise.  Stay tuned to the end for the latest victor/victim.  Thank you for listening!  Let us know what you're thinking!  IG: @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com

Happy-ish?

First of all, dammit if we didn't even fucking reference The Greatest Showman's greatest song. Second, we're talking about the feeling of lack that we feel all humans experience...like it's a basic part of being human. What ways do we feel driven to try to fill the hole, the gaps, in an effort to feel more whole and less empty - kids? religion? substances? careers? social groups? Third, we kind of wind our way through this topic, but I think we end up making some sense. Basically, this one's about feeling not enough and then grappling with that feeling rather than trying to cover it up or avoid it altogether. As always, let us know your thoughts. IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com 

First of all, dammit if we didn't even fucking reference The Greatest Showman's greatest song. Second, we're talking about the feeling of lack that we feel all humans experience...like it's a basic part of being human. What ways do we feel driven to try to fill the hole, the gaps, in an effort to feel more whole and less empty - kids? religion? substances? careers? social groups? Third, we kind of wind our way through this topic, but I think we end up making some sense. Basically, this one's about feeling not enough and then grappling with that feeling rather than trying to cover it up or avoid it altogether. As always, let us know your thoughts.  IG: @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com

Never Enough

Or have neither. First of all, we fixed the sound issue - we're at least 99% sure we did. Let us know. Second - we're talking religion. We both grew up in religious homes but grew into atheists. We discuss the impact of a religious-raising on both of us and how it impacted our self-esteem and contributed to our desire or lack of desire to parent. Eric also speaks at length about the Mormon church, as he recently got triggered by hearing many horror stories about BYU's Honor Code Office. If you're curious about an inside experience of the Mormon church, this episode is for you. Thanks for listening! IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com

Or have neither.  First of all, we fixed the sound issue - we're at least 99% sure we did. Let us know.  Second - we're talking religion. We both grew up in religious homes but grew into atheists. We discuss the impact of a religious-raising on both of us and how it impacted our self-esteem and contributed to our desire or lack of desire to parent. Eric also speaks at length about the Mormon church, as he recently got triggered by hearing many horror stories about BYU's Honor Code Office. If you're curious about an inside experience of the Mormon church, this episode is for you.  Thanks for listening!  IG: @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com

Religion and kids - the choice to have both.

We discuss body modifications and what they mean to us as individuals. Discuss the link between the ways we use our bodies and our childhoods/early experiences with our mothers. We think some people use their bodies to mother/parent, but we have figured out ways to use ours that provide meaning for us and reflect our own struggles. *Cosmetics and cosmetic procedures are briefly touched on, and they'll be a bigger part of the discussion in episodes down the road. As always, victor/victim at the end. In Chris Harrison parlance: The biggest/saddest defeat in Kidless history.  Thank you for listening, and please share with your friends!All thoughts and feedback wanted: IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com

We discuss body modifications and what they mean to us as individuals. Discuss the link between the ways we use our bodies and our childhoods/early experiences with our mothers. We think some people use their bodies to mother/parent, but we have figured out ways to use ours that provide meaning for us and reflect our own struggles.  *Cosmetics and cosmetic procedures are briefly touched on, and they'll be a bigger part of the discussion in episodes down the road.  As always, victor/victim at the end. In Chris Harrison parlance: The biggest/saddest defeat in Kidless history.   Thank you for listening, and please share with your friends! All thoughts and feedback wanted:  IG: @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com

Body Mods part 1: tattoos, cosmetics...and the link to mothers.

In this episode you'll hear us struggle with whether or not we actually deserve to be doing a podcast. Jury's out...but we hope to show how that same question is tied to the kid question. We follow up on some feedback from the last episode, and we give you another installment of Victor/Victim. As always, we are very open to all kinds of feedback, and we love hearing from you. Twitter: @kidlesspodInstagram: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.comThank you for listening! 

In this episode you'll hear us struggle with whether or not we actually deserve to be doing a podcast. Jury's out...but we hope to show how that same question is tied to the kid question. We follow up on some feedback from the last episode, and we give you another installment of Victor/Victim.  As always, we are very open to all kinds of feedback, and we love hearing from you.  Twitter: @kidlesspod Instagram: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com Thank you for listening!

We Out Here in These Streets.

This week we sit with our friend Jordan Blok and get to know them better. Even after knowing them for a few years, a lot of what they said was new to us, as it tends to go with Jordan. Getting to know Jordan is an exercise in patience and tolerance and pure entertainment - they are holding all the parts of themself, and the listener's job is to sit back and help contain it and appreciate it and let the it cis-normative-patriarchy of it all wash over you. Hope you'll enjoy. Find Jordan on social media - IG: @jordanblokFind us: IG:  @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com

This week we sit with our friend Jordan Blok and get to know them better. Even after knowing them for a few years, a lot of what they said was new to us, as it tends to go with Jordan. Getting to know Jordan is an exercise in patience and tolerance and pure entertainment - they are holding all the parts of themself, and the listener's job is to sit back and help contain it and appreciate it and let the it cis-normative-patriarchy of it all wash over you. Hope you'll enjoy.  Find Jordan on social media - IG: @jordanblok Find us:  IG:  @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com

"God, I love hooking so much."

We sit down to ask each other questions we haven’t asked, things we want to know.  Questions include: Why did you want to turn off Beyonce’s Homecoming? What do you resent about people with children? What did you learn from psychedelics? What do you resent about people without children? Would you like to have kids as a way to heal old wounds? How did Beyonce’s Homecoming affect you as a white person? Tune in for the answers! We both felt a bit anxious and hostile before sitting down for this episode, and that seems to come through in our conversation. Rather than wait to record, we decided to go ahead with it and let that hostility pull up a chair and hang out with us for a while.    As always, let us know your thoughts! IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com

We sit down to ask each other questions we haven’t asked, things we want to know.  Questions include: Why did you want to turn off Beyonce’s Homecoming? What do you resent about people with children? What did you learn from psychedelics? What do you resent about people without children? Would you like to have kids as a way to heal old wounds? How did Beyonce’s Homecoming affect you as a white person? Tune in for the answers! We both felt a bit anxious and hostile before sitting down for this episode, and that seems to come through in our conversation. Rather than wait to record, we decided to go ahead with it and let that hostility pull up a chair and hang out with us for a while.    As always, let us know your thoughts! IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com

I’ve got some questions for you.

Chantelle Bourdeaux

This week we sit down to talk to Chantelle Bourdeaux, our dear friend. Chan discusses what it was like moving to very white Salt Lake after living in other places and how that, as well as her family dynamics, informed her current life choices (relationship, kids, etc...) and general social presence. We view Chan as being in charge of Salt Lake, but she doesn't see herself that way, which is probably why she's always pushin' and grindin' and succeedin'. We hope you'll love her as much as we do. Let us know your thoughts! IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.com

This week we sit down to talk to Chantelle Bourdeaux, our dear friend. Chan discusses what it was like moving to very white Salt Lake after living in other places and how that, as well as her family dynamics, informed her current life choices (relationship, kids, etc...) and general social presence. We view Chan as being in charge of Salt Lake, but she doesn't see herself that way, which is probably why she's always pushin' and grindin' and succeedin'. We hope you'll love her as much as we do.  Let us know your thoughts!  IG: @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com

Chantelle Bourdeaux: great name, great human.

We discuss a controversial tweet by @caro - Caroline McCarthy - about lap infants in business class. She got death threats for her feelings, guys...but who among us really wants to deal with kids on planes? We try to think about this from different angles on this week's episode. Open to all feedback, but if you feel like lashing out at us, please try to listen to the whole episode before doing so. FYI - we're taking a break next week, but we'll be back with good stuff in two weeks!IG: @kidlesspodcastTwitter: @kidlesspodEmail: kidlesspod@gmail.comThanks for listening and subscribing!

We discuss a controversial tweet by @caro - Caroline McCarthy - about lap infants in business class. She got death threats for her feelings, guys...but who among us really wants to deal with kids on planes? We try to think about this from different angles on this week's episode. Open to all feedback, but if you feel like lashing out at us, please try to listen to the whole episode before doing so.  FYI - we're taking a break next week, but we'll be back with good stuff in two weeks! IG: @kidlesspodcast Twitter: @kidlesspod Email: kidlesspod@gmail.com Thanks for listening and subscribing!

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