It's been a couple of years, so Joel and Andrew catch up on what's new in life and in data science.

It's been a couple of years, so Joel and Andrew catch up on what's new in life and in data science.

Adversarial Restarting

It turns out Joel wrote another book: Ten Essays on Fizz Buzz (Quarantine does strange things to a person.)  In this episode Andrew and Joel discuss Fizz Buzz, what makes the book interesting, the value of deconstructing problems in different ways, Joel's  side career in acting, why fluffy talks are easier to write than technical talks, the importance of staying fresh, whether "blocklist admin" is the job of the future, Minecraft classes, and how the quarantine is affecting our kids.  Please listen to it.

It turns out Joel wrote another book: <a href="http://leanpub.com/fizzbuzz/c/adversarial_l" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ten Essays on Fizz Buzz</a> (Quarantine does strange things to a person.) In this episode Andrew and Joel discuss Fizz Buzz, what makes the book interesting, the value of deconstructing problems in different ways, Joel's <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeDtc0GP5ICmdvla18vKjGqMBqMLrZiNK" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> side career in acting</a>, why fluffy talks are easier to write than technical talks, the importance of staying fresh, whether "blocklist admin" is the job of the future, Minecraft classes, and how the quarantine is affecting our kids. Please listen to it.

Adversarial Distancing, Episode 4: Joel's Fizz Buzz Book

About a month ago we recorded a podcast with Jowanza Joseph about engineering and COVID-19 and other mundane topics.  While I (Joel) was procrastinating on editing it, a lot happened in the world. And then Jowanza wrote  a blog post about his experiences with racism and how they've affected his life.  Which made it feel really weird to just put out an episode with him that doesn't mention any of these issues. So the three of us went back into the (metaphorical) studio and recorded another episode mostly about his blog post, about racism, and about the state of the world. (As always, we are incapable of staying 100% on-topic, but we did pretty good.)  These aren't necessarily easy topics to discuss, but I think we did a respectful job of it, and I hope you find it interesting and worthwhile. The original podcast episode follows the new one, so you get two episodes in one.  Please listen to it.

About a month ago we recorded a podcast with <a href="https://www.jowanza.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jowanza Joseph</a> about engineering and COVID-19 and other mundane topics. While I (Joel) was procrastinating on editing it, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a lot happened in the world</a>. And then Jowanza wrote <a href="https://www.jowanza.com/blog/2020/6/1/how-racism-shapes-my-habits" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> a blog post about his experiences with racism</a> and how they've affected his life. Which made it feel really weird to just put out an episode with him that doesn't mention any of these issues. So the three of us went back into the (metaphorical) studio and recorded another episode mostly about his blog post, about racism, and about the state of the world. (As always, we are incapable of staying 100% on-topic, but we did pretty good.) These aren't necessarily easy topics to discuss, but I think we did a respectful job of it, and I hope you find it interesting and worthwhile. The original podcast episode follows the new one, so you get two episodes in one. Please listen to it.

Adversarial Distancing, Episode 3: Two Conversations with Jowanza

Joel and Andrew break quarantine (metaphorically) to discuss treehouses, remote work, distance schooling, outschool.com, Joel's attempt to teach his daughter Python, old-school text adventures, socially-distanced eating, the Twitter UI, what happens to school in the fall, OKRs, and whether we should keep the economy closed or re-open it and kill people. Please listen to it.

Joel and Andrew break quarantine (metaphorically) to discuss treehouses, remote work, distance schooling, <a href="http://outschool.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">outschool.com</a>, Joel's attempt to teach his daughter Python, old-school text adventures, socially-distanced eating, the Twitter UI, what happens to school in the fall, OKRs, and whether we should keep the economy closed or re-open it and kill people. Please listen to it.

Adversarial Distancing - Episode 2

in which Joel and Andrew briefly break quarantine to talk about Covid-19, social distancing, and the data science grift

Adversarial Distancing - Episode 1

Our guest this week is Pardis Noorzad (@djpardis), former data science manager at Twitter and now Head of Data Science at Carbon Health. Our conversation spans a wide range of topics:  the Tenderloin Carbon Health what Duran Duran has to do with Black History Month the "cold start problem" for becoming a DJ how long it takes to achieve domain expertise how many people there are in Canada how getting that first data science job is like DJ-ing loyalty the Go programming language the Hopper-Causey effect data science as quality control  Please listen to it.

Our guest this week is Pardis Noorzad (<a href="https://twitter.com/djpardis" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@djpardis</a>), former data science manager at Twitter and now Head of Data Science at <a href="https://carbonhealth.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carbon Health</a>. Our conversation spans a wide range of topics: <ul> <li>the Tenderloin</li> <li>Carbon Health</li> <li>what Duran Duran has to do with Black History Month</li> <li>the "cold start problem" for becoming a DJ</li> <li>how long it takes to achieve domain expertise</li> <li>how many people there are in Canada</li> <li>how getting that first data science job is like DJ-ing</li> <li>loyalty</li> <li>the Go programming language</li> <li>the Hopper-Causey effect</li> <li>data science as quality control</li> </ul> Please listen to it.

Episode 21: The Cold Start Problem for Becoming a DJ

Our guest this episode is Carl Gold (@carl24k),Chief Data Scientist at Zuora and author of the forthcoming bookFighting Churn with Data. Use the discount code podadvl19 to save some unspecified amount on it.Topics include* churn* writing a book* churn* running a subscription business* churn* domain expertise* p-hacking* churn* how Joel picks what song to use for the podcast intro* churn

Our guest this episode is Carl Gold (@carl24k), Chief Data Scientist at Zuora and author of the forthcoming book Fighting Churn with Data. Use the discount code podadvl19 to save some unspecified amount on it. Topics include * churn * writing a book * churn * running a subscription business * churn * domain expertise * p-hacking * churn * how Joel picks what song to use for the podcast intro * churn

Episode 20: Churn! Churn! Churn!

On this episode, Andrew is joined by Joel Grus (@joelgrus), the author of Data Science from Scratch, whose second edition just came out. They discuss spreadsheets, writing a book, Python 3, type annotations, Jupyter notebooks, reproducibility, and what it's like to do standup comedy at a conference that has a code of conduct.Please listen to it.

On this episode, Andrew is joined by Joel Grus (@joelgrus), the author of Data Science from Scratch, whose second edition just came out. They discuss spreadsheets, writing a book, Python 3, type annotations, Jupyter notebooks, reproducibility, and what it's like to do standup comedy at a conference that has a code of conduct. Please listen to it.

Episode 19: Writing the Same Book Twice

Our guest this episode is data scientist Peadar Coyle. Topics include  Brexit whether Europe is a Python continent or an R continent GDPR how data science is different in Europe than it is in the USA Joel's stock rant against "domain expertise" PyMC3 and Bayesian Analysis teaching online courses whether "primer" is pronounced "primer" or "primer" what Joel and Andrew are most excited about in data science  Please listen to it.

Our guest this episode is data scientist <a href="https://twitter.com/Springcoil" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Peadar Coyle</a>. Topics include <ul> <li>Brexit</li> <li>whether Europe is a Python continent or an R continent</li> <li>GDPR</li> <li>how data science is different in Europe than it is in the USA</li> <li>Joel's stock rant against "domain expertise"</li> <li>PyMC3 and Bayesian Analysis</li> <li>teaching online courses</li> <li>whether "primer" is pronounced "primer" or "primer"</li> <li>what Joel and Andrew are most excited about in data science</li> </ul> Please listen to it.

Episode 18: Never Insult a Pigeon Driving a Bus

Josh Wills

Adversarial Learning is back from its extended hiatus!Our guest is famous data scientist Josh Wills. We discuss why Josh is a famous data scientist,what it's like working at Slack, data science conferences,NLP's "imagenet moment",whether Joel should remove the MapReduce chapter from the 2nd edition of Data Science from Scratch,and which is the best Rush album.Please listen to it.

Adversarial Learning is back from its extended hiatus! Our guest is famous data scientist Josh Wills. We discuss why Josh is a famous data scientist, what it's like working at Slack, data science conferences, NLP's "imagenet moment", whether Joel should remove the MapReduce chapter from the 2nd edition of Data Science from Scratch, and which is the best Rush album. Please listen to it.

Episode 17: Josh Wills

@joelgrus and @akm talk about data, science, data science, Shingy, and whatever else they feel like

The hosts and guests are genuine and have an organic conversation as if we aren&#39;t even there. Pretty good balance between the day-to-day realities of data science vs technical details, and there&#39;s not a lot of fetishizing the latest tech trends.

Listen to this if you want a realistic window into the world of data science, as opposed to the bubblegum, overproduced approach of others.

Comfortable and substantive

When they get into the actual details of particular technology, techniques, or methods, it&#39;s *really* great and I learn a great deal. But a lot of the time they sound like smart, snarky kids teasing dumber kids. As successful professionals, they should be able to avoid this: when life is going well, there&#39;s no reason to be mean and snarky.

Great discussions, but...

Adversarial Learning

Friend of the podcast Tim Hopper joins us as we share stories of Very Bad Interviews we've been on. (As you probably expect, Joel has the most humiliating stories.) If you've ever gone on a terrible interview, listen and commiserate. If you've never gone on a terrible interview, listen and live vicariously. Halfway through, Andrew's Internet flakes out and his part stops getting recorded. Thanks to the magic of editing, you'll hardly even notice!

Friend of the podcast <a href="https://twitter.com/tdhopper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tim Hopper</a> joins us as we share stories of Very Bad Interviews we've been on. (As you probably expect, Joel has the most humiliating stories.) If you've ever gone on a terrible interview, listen and commiserate. If you've never gone on a terrible interview, listen and live vicariously. Halfway through, Andrew's Internet flakes out and his part stops getting recorded. Thanks to the magic of editing, you'll hardly even notice!

Episode 10: Stories of Degradation and Humiliation

Data scientist Vicki Boykis joins Joel and Andrew to variously debunk and rebunk common Data Science Myths. Is data the new oil? Do data scientists spend 80% of their time munging and cleaning data? What happens if you look in the mirror and say "data science" five times? And many, many, many more.  Please listen to it.

Data scientist <a href="https://twitter.com/vboykis" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Vicki Boykis</a> joins Joel and Andrew to variously debunk and rebunk common Data Science Myths. Is data the new oil? Do data scientists spend 80% of their time munging and cleaning data? What happens if you look in the mirror and say "data science" five times? And many, many, many more. Please listen to it.

Episode 12: Data Science Myths

Our guest this week is flashcard kingpin and former Partially Derivative co-host Chris Albon. Topics of discussion include  how good it feels not to have a podcast machine learning flashcards being a "natsec bro" whether Chris would punch a Nazi whether Chris would sexually harass a Nazi whether "magister" is  a good woke replacement for "master" whether that Andrew Ng job posting is appropriate and whether any of us would apply for it killing your heroes having a day a week without social media treadmill desks Chris's next podcast and somehow Joel gets going on Harry Potter  Please listen to it.

Our guest this week is flashcard kingpin and former Partially Derivative co-host Chris Albon. Topics of discussion include <ul> <li>how good it feels not to have a podcast</li> <li><a href="https://machinelearningflashcards.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">machine learning flashcards</a></li> <li>being a "natsec bro"</li> <li>whether Chris would punch a Nazi</li> <li>whether Chris would <a href="https://twitter.com/bitteranagram/status/909904190364880896" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sexually harass</a> a Nazi</li> <li>whether "magister" is <a href="http://news.rice.edu/2017/04/07/college-master-to-become-college-magister/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> a good woke replacement</a> for "master"</li> <li>whether <a href="https://www.deeplearning.ai/machinelearningsoftwareengjobdescri" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">that Andrew Ng job posting</a> is appropriate and whether any of us would apply for it</li> <li>killing your heroes</li> <li>having a day a week without social media</li> <li>treadmill desks</li> <li>Chris's next podcast</li> <li>and somehow Joel gets going on <a href="https://twitter.com/joelgrus/status/841843521153712128" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Harry Potter</a></li> </ul> Please listen to it.

Episode 14: Totally Derivative

Our guest this week is Sarah Guido (@sarah_guido), Senior Data Scientist at Mashable. We discuss datasets we hate, how to pronounce "La Croix", what makes "library science" a science, 9/11, data science networking, Joel's plan to build a Twitter client that automatically inserts a "clap" emoji after every word, and Mashable's "best celebrity feuds" of 2016.

Our guest this week is Sarah Guido (@sarah_guido), Senior Data Scientist at Mashable. We discuss datasets we hate, how to pronounce "La Croix", what makes "library science" a science, 9/11, data science networking, Joel's plan to build a Twitter client that automatically inserts a "clap" emoji after every word, and Mashable's "best celebrity feuds" of 2016.

Episode 4: Datasets We Hate

Our guest this week is Andrew Therriault (@therriaultphd). We talk about data science in the big city, politics, slime in the ice machine, labor unions, how easy it is to join datasets, and whether Boston really deserves to be called Beantown.

Our guest this week is Andrew Therriault (@therriaultphd). We talk about data science in the big city, politics, slime in the ice machine, labor unions, how easy it is to join datasets, and whether Boston really deserves to be called Beantown.

Episode 3: Beantown Data Science

Our guest this week is data scientist for good Lisa Green.  Topics of discussion include  What is ethics  Joel's previous life as a financial analyst and the ethical dilemmas therein whether there's anything incriminating in Joel's Yahoo history "identity theft" as a bullshit concept  Google's corrupt bargain with the NHS what the medical code of ethics actually says  polycentric ethics the difference between unethical and incompetent what good a code of ethics does when the "ethical" problems are emergent from the choices of many people  that terrible article about the Seattle Nazi convention neuroticism   the Joel test  vgr's bad tweet  Please listen to it.

Our guest this week is data scientist for good <a href="https://twitter.com/boudicca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lisa Green</a>.  Topics of discussion include <ul> <li><a href="https://twitter.com/joelgrus/status/911973776065044482" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">What is ethics</a> </li> <li>Joel's previous life as a financial analyst and the ethical dilemmas therein</li> <li>whether there's anything incriminating in Joel's Yahoo history</li> <li>"identity theft" as a <a href="https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/910265558767214592" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bullshit concept</a> </li> <li>Google's corrupt bargain with the NHS</li> <li>what the medical code of ethics <a href="https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/ama-code-medical-ethics" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">actually says</a> </li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycentric_law" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">polycentric</a> ethics</li> <li>the difference between unethical and incompetent</li> <li>what good a code of ethics does when the "ethical" problems are emergent from the choices of many people</li> <li><a href="http://www.thestranger.com/news/2017/10/04/25451102/we-snuck-into-seattles-super-secret-white-nationalist-convention" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> that terrible article</a> about the Seattle Nazi convention</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroticism" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">neuroticism</a> </li> <li><a href="https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/08/09/the-joel-test-12-steps-to-better-code/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> the Joel test</a> </li> <li>vgr's <a href="https://twitter.com/vgr/status/915820735528026112" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bad tweet</a></li> </ul> Please listen to it.

Episode 15: Could You Rephrase That As An Ethical Question?

Plas Vander

Our guest is Jake VanderPlas, who is a real Data Science Fellow at the UW eScience Institute, and is the author of the recently published Python Data Science Handbook.  Topics discussed include  BiCapitalization bridging the astronomy-astrology divide whether the e in eScience is the same as the e in eBay Myers-Briggs why Jake keeps saying “transcriptable” like it's a real word whether newsletters have replaced blogs how to talk to people at parties what it’s like being a data scientist in academia whether students still hook up in the library why your zodiac sign isn’t what you think it is whether Pluto is a planet and why people care teaching statistics using simulation how to pronounce "numpy" using deep learning to identify new constellations building an AI that chooses the right data visualization  This week's theme music has a cool Vegas swanky lounge vibe.  Please listen to it.

Our guest is <a href="https://twitter.com/jakevdp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jake VanderPlas</a>, who is a real Data Science Fellow at the UW eScience Institute, and is the author of the recently published <a href="http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920034919.do" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Python Data Science Handbook</a>.  Topics discussed include <ul> <li><a href="http://grammar.about.com/od/ab/g/Bicapitalization.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">BiCapitalization</a></li> <li>bridging the astronomy-astrology divide</li> <li>whether the e in eScience is the same as the e in eBay</li> <li>Myers-Briggs</li> <li>why Jake keeps saying “transcriptable” like it's a real word</li> <li>whether newsletters have replaced blogs</li> <li>how to talk to people at parties</li> <li>what it’s like being a data scientist in academia</li> <li>whether students still hook up in the library</li> <li>why your zodiac sign isn’t what you think it is</li> <li>whether Pluto is a planet and why people care</li> <li>teaching statistics using simulation</li> <li>how to pronounce "numpy"</li> <li>using deep learning to identify new constellations</li> <li>building an AI that chooses the right data visualization</li> </ul> This week's theme music has a cool Vegas swanky lounge vibe.  Please listen to it.

Episode 5: The Legend of Plas Vander

Is good data science always political? Our regularly scheduled guest had to cancel at the last minute, so Joel and Andrew decided to talk about politics.  Topics covered include:   the one data scientist who’s not on twitter how much Joel hates the xkcd cartoon free speech in Canada (which Joel gets very wrong, please don't @ me) how one (or one's bot) gets banned from twitter Joel getting a phone call from his kid's school #YarvinGate and #YarvinGate2 how good it feels to hold a pitchfork loving one's neighbor vs tolerating one's neighbor why everyone hates Kant Nazi-punching the pros and cons of street violence whether companies should take political stands whether Shopify should power the Breitbart store what the hell do they even sell in the Breitbart store anyway? the difference between refusing to do business with customers because you don't approve them and refusing to business with customers because twitter doesn't approve of them 

Is good data science always political? Our regularly scheduled guest had to cancel at the last minute, so Joel and Andrew decided to talk about politics.  Topics covered include: <ul> <li>the one data scientist who’s not on twitter</li> <li>how much Joel hates the xkcd cartoon</li> <li>free speech in Canada (which Joel gets very wrong, please don't @ me)</li> <li>how one (or one's bot) gets banned from twitter</li> <li>Joel getting a phone call from his kid's school</li> <li>#YarvinGate and #YarvinGate2</li> <li>how good it feels to hold a pitchfork</li> <li>loving one's neighbor vs tolerating one's neighbor</li> <li>why everyone hates Kant</li> <li>Nazi-punching</li> <li>the pros and cons of street violence</li> <li>whether companies should take political stands</li> <li>whether Shopify should power the Breitbart store</li> <li>what the hell do they even sell in the Breitbart store anyway?</li> <li>the difference between refusing to do business with customers because you don't approve them and refusing to business with customers because twitter doesn't approve of them</li> </ul>

Episode 6: Good Data Science Is Always Political

Adversarial Learning is back! In this long-delayed episode (thanks, technical difficulties) we are joined by data scientist Schaun Wheeler to discuss our favorite topic, data ethics. Highlights include: * Schaun's  Medium post "An ethical code can’t be about ethics" * Do we need a "Hippocratic Oath" for data science * How to hire data scientists who won't steal people's kidneys * Why Joel has a Values Mug * The Manifesto for Data Practices * Is this all secretly a competency problem? * Skin in the Game * Are data ethics issues really just business ethics issues? Please listen to it!  (More episodes coming soon!)

Adversarial Learning is back! In this long-delayed episode (thanks, technical difficulties) we are joined by data scientist <a href="https://twitter.com/SchaunW" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Schaun Wheeler</a> to discuss our favorite topic, data ethics. Highlights include: * Schaun's <a href="https://towardsdatascience.com/an-ethical-code-cant-be-about-ethics-66acaea6f16f" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Medium post</a> "An ethical code can’t be about ethics" * Do we need a "Hippocratic Oath" for data science * How to hire data scientists who won't steal people's kidneys * Why Joel has a Values Mug * The <a href="https://datapractices.org/manifesto/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manifesto for Data Practices</a> * Is this all secretly a competency problem? * Skin in the Game * Are data ethics issues really just business ethics issues? Please listen to it!  (More episodes coming soon!)

Episode 16: My Code of Ethics Will Forbid YAML

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