 The Forensic Lunch! This week with Willi Ballenthin from the Mandiant FLARE Team talking about their tools

The Forensic Lunch! This week with Willi Ballenthin from the Mandiant FLARE Team talking about their tools

Forensic Lunch 8-28-20 

 The Forensic Lunch! This week with Sarah Edwards and Jared Barnhart talking about iphone testing labs, app testing and decoding apple photos machine learning identified photo metadata

The Forensic Lunch! This week with Sarah Edwards and Jared Barnhart talking about iphone testing labs, app testing and decoding apple photos machine learning identified photo metadata

Forensic Lunch 8-14-20 

 Forensic Lunch! This week with Jordan Barth talking about Azure and the Cloud!

Forensic Lunch! This week with Jordan Barth talking about Azure and the Cloud!

Forensic Lunch 7-24-20

 Forensic Lunch! This week it's time for the second Annual National Collegiate Cyber Defense Competition Redteam AMA!

Forensic Lunch! This week it's time for the second Annual National Collegiate Cyber Defense Competition Redteam AMA!

Forensic Lunch 6-26-20

 Forensic Lunch! This week with Google Incident Response Management Team! Learn how Google does IR Management and hear from Joachim Metz, James Nettesheim, Matt Linton and Alex Jager

Forensic Lunch! This week with Google Incident Response Management Team! Learn how Google does IR Management and hear from Joachim Metz, James Nettesheim, Matt Linton and Alex Jager

Forensic Lunch 6-19-20

 Forensic Lunch! This week with Eric Zimmerman showing SQLite Explorer and Javier Marcos discussing OSCtrl for OSQuery

Forensic Lunch! This week with Eric Zimmerman showing SQLite Explorer and Javier Marcos discussing OSCtrl for OSQuery

Forensic Lunch 6-12-20

 Forensic Lunch! This week with Yogesh Kahtri talking about MAC_APT, Brian Moran and Yuri Gubanov from Belkasoft

Forensic Lunch! This week with Yogesh Kahtri talking about MAC_APT, Brian Moran and Yuri Gubanov from Belkasoft

Forensic Lunch 5-29-20

 Forensic Lunch! This week with Michael Cohen doing an hour and a half of Velociraptor!

Forensic Lunch! This week with Michael Cohen doing an hour and a half of Velociraptor!

Forensic Lunch 5-22-20

 The Forensic Lunch! This week we are bringing Jad Saliba and Jessica Hyde from Magnet talking about the month of great content they've been hosting and the new things coming out of Magnet. In addition we will have the winner of the Magnet Virtual CTF 2020!

The Forensic Lunch! This week we are bringing Jad Saliba and Jessica Hyde from Magnet talking about the month of great content they've been hosting and the new things coming out of Magnet. In addition we will have the winner of the Magnet Virtual CTF 2020!

Forensic Lunch 5-15-20

Jim Arnold

Tom Pace

Jack Farley

Josh Brunty

Kevin Pagano

This week on the Forensic Lunch we had:  Josh Brunty, @joshbrunty,  talking about his DFIR program at Marshall     https://www.marshall.edu/cyber/   Tom Pace of Blackberry Cyclance and Jim Arnold of KPMG talking about recent ransomware trends.  Kevin Pagano, @kevpagano3,  talking about his Sunday Funday and the Magnet Virtual CTF  Jack Farley, @jackfarley248,  talking about MEAT and the Magnet Virtual CTF    https://github.com/jfarley248/MEAT        You can watch it here: https://youtu.be/fPzSm-hofA0

This week on the Forensic Lunch we had: <ul> <li>Josh Brunty, <a href="https://twitter.com/joshbrunty" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@joshbrunty</a>,  talking about his DFIR program at Marshall </li> <li> <ul> <li> <a href="https://www.marshall.edu/cyber/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.marshall.edu/cyber/</a></li> </ul> </li> <li><a href="https://twitter.com/TommyPastry" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tom Pace</a> of Blackberry Cyclance and Jim Arnold of KPMG talking about recent ransomware trends. </li> <li>Kevin Pagano, <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinPagano3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@kevpagano3</a>,  talking about his Sunday Funday and the Magnet Virtual CTF </li> <li>Jack Farley, <a href="https://twitter.com/JackFarley248" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@jackfarley248</a>,  talking about MEAT and the Magnet Virtual CTF</li> <li> <ul> <li> <a href="https://github.com/jfarley248/MEAT" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://github.com/jfarley248/MEAT</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> You can watch it here: <a href="https://youtu.be/fPzSm-hofA0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/fPzSm-hofA0</a>

Forensic Lunch 5/8/20  - Jack Farley, Josh Brunty, Kevin Pagano, Tom Pace, Jim Arnold

The Forensic Lunch!The one hour, mostly, live digital forensics and incident response focused video cast and podcast.

&#34;it&#39;s the forensic lunch&#34;. This podcast presented by one of the most respectable digital forensics analysts in our field. The Forensic lunch will provide any listener with an incredible amount of knowledge, groundbreaking technology, and very interesting interviews with respectable personalities that work on DFIR field.

Excellent podcast about digital forensics

The Forensic Lunch! The one hour, mostly, live digital forensics and incident response focused video cast and podcast.

The Forensic Lunch with David Cowen and Matthew Seyer

The forensic lunch!  The twice a month live videocast/podcast all about #DFIR  This episode we have:  Bradley Schatz of Shatz Forensics and Evimetry, @blschatz, talking about his amazing new toolset Evimetry. Watch this first segment to learn more about AFF4, imaging bottlenecks and how his toolset can allow faster imaging locally, remotely and in cloud while doing a bunch of other really cool stuff!  Learn more about his toolset here: http://evimetry.com/  Scott Wahlstrom of KPMG, @wahlstros, came on to talk about the deployable mobile forensic GoKits KPMG has been testing and using in the field. Cool stuff here if you ever wonder how you can bring an entire analysis lab to a data center for a week.  Lastly Matt and I talk about whats new in Windows 10 Forensics with the following artifacts covered: Lnk Files Recent Docs Shell bags and Jumplists  Watch a couple times to really understand the impact this will have on your investigations!

The forensic lunch! The twice a month live videocast/podcast all about #DFIR This episode we have: Bradley Schatz of Shatz Forensics and Evimetry, @blschatz, talking about his amazing new toolset Evimetry. Watch this first segment to learn more about AFF4, imaging bottlenecks and how his toolset can allow faster imaging locally, remotely and in cloud while doing a bunch of other really cool stuff! Learn more about his toolset here: <a href="http://evimetry.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://evimetry.com/</a> Scott Wahlstrom of KPMG, @wahlstros, came on to talk about the deployable mobile forensic GoKits KPMG has been testing and using in the field. Cool stuff here if you ever wonder how you can bring an entire analysis lab to a data center for a week. Lastly Matt and I talk about whats new in Windows 10 Forensics with the following artifacts covered: Lnk Files Recent Docs Shell bags and Jumplists Watch a couple times to really understand the impact this will have on your investigations!

Forensic Lunch 9 23 16

Guests this broadcast:Ben LeMere of Berla talking about Vehicle Forensics, Embedded Systems, Cam bus networks and all the fun he's been having with doing forensics on car entertainment systems. You may be very surprised but what he has to say!Lee Whitfield talking about Superfish, what happened and what you need to know. Robin Keir of Crowdstrike talking about his research and role at Crowdstrike, specifically Superfetch and CrowdResponseShow linksBen LeMereWebsite: http://Berla.coTwitter: @BenLeMereLee WhitfieldForensic 4cast Award Nominations:https://forensic4cast.com/forensic-4c...Twitter: @lee_whitfieldRobin KeirWebsite: http://www.crowdstrike.com/Crowd Response:http://www.crowdstrike.com/community-...Twitter: @RobinKeir

Guests this broadcast:Ben LeMere of Berla talking about Vehicle Forensics, Embedded Systems, Cam bus networks and all the fun he's been having with doing forensics on car entertainment systems. You may be very surprised but what he has to say!Lee Whitfield talking about Superfish, what happened and what you need to know. Robin Keir of Crowdstrike talking about his research and role at Crowdstrike, specifically Superfetch and CrowdResponseShow linksBen LeMereWebsite: <a href="http://Berla.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://Berla.co</a>Twitter: @BenLeMereLee WhitfieldForensic 4cast Award Nominations:<a href="https://forensic4cast.com/forensic-4cast-awards/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://forensic4cast.com/forensic-4c...</a>Twitter: @lee_whitfieldRobin KeirWebsite: <a href="http://www.crowdstrike.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.crowdstrike.com/</a>Crowd Response:<a href="http://www.crowdstrike.com/community-tools/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.crowdstrike.com/community-...</a>Twitter: @RobinKeir

Forensic Lunch 2-27-15

 The Forensic Lunch!     The twice a month live videocast/podcast all about #DFIR!     This broadcast is all about running an isolated virtual network on Intels newest NUC, the Skull Canyon. Watch the video to see us demonstrate running 5 vms in an isolated virtual network on a small, fast and low powered portable system.     You can get the Intel NUC Skull Canyon at amazon here:  https://smile.amazon.com/Intel-NUC-Ki...     or at your local Microcenter or Fry's     This is the M.2 NVME SSD Drive I'm using to get 2GB/s reads and 1.5GB/s writes:  https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-950-...     This is the memory I used:  https://smile.amazon.com/Crucial-16GB...     Here is the link to the free version of ESXI v6: https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/e...     Expect a blog post where I go through the process

The Forensic Lunch! The twice a month live videocast/podcast all about <a href="https://www.youtube.com/results?q=%23DFIR" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">#DFIR</a>! This broadcast is all about running an isolated virtual network on Intels newest NUC, the Skull Canyon. Watch the video to see us demonstrate running 5 vms in an isolated virtual network on a small, fast and low powered portable system. You can get the Intel NUC Skull Canyon at amazon here: <a href="https://smile.amazon.com/Intel-NUC-Kit-NUC6i7KYK-Mini/dp/B01DJ9XS52/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1472265738&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=skull+canyon" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://smile.amazon.com/Intel-NUC-Ki...</a> or at your local Microcenter or Fry's This is the M.2 NVME SSD Drive I'm using to get 2GB/s reads and 1.5GB/s writes: <a href="https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-950-PRO-Internal-MZ-V5P512BW/dp/B01639694M/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1472266007&amp;sr=8-1-fkmr0&amp;keywords=samsung+pro+950+m.2+nvme" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-950-...</a> This is the memory I used: <a href="https://smile.amazon.com/Crucial-16GBx2-PC4-17000-SODIMM-260-Pin/dp/B015YPB8ME/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1472266091&amp;sr=8-1-fkmr2&amp;keywords=SOdimm+ddr4+2100+32gb+ram" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://smile.amazon.com/Crucial-16GB...</a> Here is the link to the free version of ESXI v6: <a href="https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/evalcenter?p=free-esxi6" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/e...</a> Expect a blog post where I go through the process

Forensic Lunch 8-26-16

Forensic Lunch live from EnFuse with Rob Batzloff talking about Encase 8, and James Wiebe talking about new advancements at CRU

Forensic Lunch live from EnFuse with Rob Batzloff talking about Encase 8, and James Wiebe talking about new advancements at CRU

Forensic Lunch live from Enfuse Day 1

Guests are Matt Bromiley Dimitry from Bocasoft

Guests are Matt Bromiley Dimitry from Bocasoft

Forensic Lunch 6-12-15

Friend of the show Eric Zimmerman is back to talk about updates to his tools and research

Friend of the show Eric Zimmerman is back to talk about updates to his tools and research

Forensic Lunch 1-20-17

The thank goodness April Fools day is over editionGuests this week:Devon Kerr talking about his work at Mandiant/Fireeye and his research into WMI for both IR and attacker usage.You can email Devon here: devon.kerr@mandiant.comand you can follow him on twitter here: https://twitter.com/_devonkerr_Get cool tools from the Mandiant github here: https://github.com/mandiantWatch Devon talk more about WMI and IR at the SANS DFIR Summit: http://dfir.to/1BvOw7G Matthew and I going into the Automating DFIR series and our upcoming talk at CEICWe are on the CEIC agenda here:https://www.guidancesoftware.com/ceic...

The thank goodness April Fools day is over editionGuests this week:Devon Kerr talking about his work at Mandiant/Fireeye and his research into WMI for both IR and attacker usage.You can email Devon here: devon.kerr@mandiant.comand you can follow him on twitter here: <a href="https://twitter.com/_devonkerr_" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/_devonkerr_</a>Get cool tools from the Mandiant github here: <a href="https://github.com/mandiant" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://github.com/mandiant</a>Watch Devon talk more about WMI and IR at the SANS DFIR Summit: <a href="http://dfir.to/1BvOw7G" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://dfir.to/1BvOw7G</a> Matthew and I going into the Automating DFIR series and our upcoming talk at CEICWe are on the CEIC agenda here:<a href="https://www.guidancesoftware.com/ceic/Pages/ceic-agenda-table.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.guidancesoftware.com/ceic...</a>

Forensic Lunch 4-3-15

We had another great Forensic Lunch! This broadcast we had:James Carder of the Mayo Clinic, @carderjames, talking all about automating your response process to separate the random attacks from sophisticated attacks. You can hear James talk about this and much more at the SANS DFIR Summit where he'll be a panelist! If you want to work with James Mayo Clinic is hiring.Mayo Clinic Infosec and IR Jobs: http://www.mayo-clinic-jobs.com/go/in...Contact James Carder: carder.james@mayo.eduSpecial Agent Eric Zimmerman of the FBI, @EricRZimmerman , talking about his upcoming in depth Shellbags talk at the SANS DFIR Summit as well as his new tool called Registry Explorer. RE and Eric's research into windows registries will be continued in the next broadcast. Whether you are interested in registries from a research, academic or investigative perspective this is a must see, and FREE, tool!Eric's Blog: http://binaryforay.blogspot.com/Eric's Github:https://github.com/EricZimmermanRegistry Explorer: http://binaryforay.blogspot.com/p/sof...

We had another great Forensic Lunch! This broadcast we had:James Carder of the Mayo Clinic, @carderjames, talking all about automating your response process to separate the random attacks from sophisticated attacks. You can hear James talk about this and much more at the SANS DFIR Summit where he'll be a panelist! If you want to work with James Mayo Clinic is hiring.Mayo Clinic Infosec and IR Jobs: <a href="http://www.mayo-clinic-jobs.com/go/information-technology-engineering-and-architecture-jobs/255296/?facility=MN" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mayo-clinic-jobs.com/go/in...</a>Contact James Carder: carder.james@mayo.eduSpecial Agent Eric Zimmerman of the FBI, @EricRZimmerman , talking about his upcoming in depth Shellbags talk at the SANS DFIR Summit as well as his new tool called Registry Explorer. RE and Eric's research into windows registries will be continued in the next broadcast. Whether you are interested in registries from a research, academic or investigative perspective this is a must see, and FREE, tool!Eric's Blog: <a href="http://binaryforay.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://binaryforay.blogspot.com/</a>Eric's Github:<a href="https://github.com/EricZimmerman" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://github.com/EricZimmerman</a>Registry Explorer: <a href="http://binaryforay.blogspot.com/p/software.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://binaryforay.blogspot.com/p/sof...</a>

Forensic Lunch 3-20-15

The after Thanksgiving Hangover edition: This week we had Eric Zimmerman, @ericrzimmerman, talking about Shellbags, his tool Shellbag explorer and our research into new things we can determine from them.

The after Thanksgiving Hangover edition: This week we had Eric Zimmerman, @ericrzimmerman, talking about Shellbags, his tool Shellbag explorer and our research into new things we can determine from them.

Forensic Lunch 11-28-14

We had an interesting Forensic Lunch today with:Rob Fuller, @mubix, talking about his new project, project mentor http://www.projectmentor.net/ where Rob is offering to help mentor you into developing the real technical skills in infosec and dfir to get into the industry and other noble aspirations.David Dym, @dave873, talking about the latest version of Metadiver which is available to download at http://www.easymetadata.com/wp/ which can crawl a directory and pull out all the metadata it can find into xls, json, xml and other formats. He also makes shadowkit.Kevin Stokes talking about how to extend and expand our USB Multiboot Dongle, you can download the dongle image here: https://mega.co.nz/#!i45WhQya!SQILk0T...Zoltan Szabo, talking about his stance on Digital Forensics as a science.You can email him at zoltandfw@gmail.com if you want to give your feedback to his opinions.

We had an interesting Forensic Lunch today with:Rob Fuller, @mubix, talking about his new project, project mentor <a href="http://www.projectmentor.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.projectmentor.net/</a> where Rob is offering to help mentor you into developing the real technical skills in infosec and dfir to get into the industry and other noble aspirations.David Dym, @dave873, talking about the latest version of Metadiver which is available to download at <a href="http://www.easymetadata.com/wp/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.easymetadata.com/wp/</a> which can crawl a directory and pull out all the metadata it can find into xls, json, xml and other formats. He also makes shadowkit.Kevin Stokes talking about how to extend and expand our USB Multiboot Dongle, you can download the dongle image here: <a href="https://mega.co.nz/#%21i45WhQya%21SQILk0Td3e-g2j9YKUtuFjkbrrszJAgWthfhkGOKpqk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://mega.co.nz/#!i45WhQya!SQILk0T...</a>Zoltan Szabo, talking about his stance on Digital Forensics as a science.You can email him at zoltandfw@gmail.com if you want to give your feedback to his opinions.

Forensic Lunch 2-21-14

The you should have filed your taxes edition!This week is all about the Forensic 4cast awards. We cover all of the nominees and make our official votes.

The you should have filed your taxes edition!This week is all about the Forensic 4cast awards. We cover all of the nominees and make our official votes.

Forensic Lunch 4-22-15

Live from CEIC.  Ben LeMere from Berla, Jeff the Product Evanglist from Guidance Software, Amber Shroader from Paraben, and more!

Live from CEIC.  Ben LeMere from Berla, Jeff the Product Evanglist from Guidance Software, Amber Shroader from Paraben, and more!

Forensic Lunch 5-20-15 CEIC Day 2

Freedom Edition!Join Matt and I and current guests:Eric Zimmerman, talking deleted registry key analysis and new features in Registry Explorer and more! You can get the #DFIRSummit release here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7doopqpwxz...

Freedom Edition!Join Matt and I and current guests:Eric Zimmerman, talking deleted registry key analysis and new features in Registry Explorer and more! You can get the #DFIRSummit release here: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7doopqpwxz0d3i/RegistryExplorer_RECmd.zip?dl=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7doopqpwxz...</a>

Forensic Lunch 7-3-15

Ryan Benson is here to talk about updates to Hindsight, what he's been up to and his other tool SQUID.   David Dym came on to talk about FAT32 removable storage and the things OSX does to it.

Ryan Benson is here to talk about updates to Hindsight, what he's been up to and his other tool SQUID. David Dym came on to talk about FAT32 removable storage and the things OSX does to it.

Forensic Lunch 2-3-17

The Forensic Lunch live with Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about how Office saves files and more testing

The Forensic Lunch live with Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about how Office saves files and more testing

Forensic Lunch: 4/6/18

Lee Whitfield comes on to talk about the Forensic 4Cast awards which are now taking nominations.   Jonathan Poling came on to talk about his new blog and his work at Secureworks

Lee Whitfield comes on to talk about the Forensic 4Cast awards which are now taking nominations. Jonathan Poling came on to talk about his new blog and his work at Secureworks

Forensic Lunch 1-27-17

Live with Maxim Suhanov (@errno_fail), Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about Registry Forensics, Transactional Registry logs and his library YARP

Live with Maxim Suhanov (@errno_fail), Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about Registry Forensics, Transactional Registry logs and his library YARP

Forensic Lunch 3/9/18

The Forensic Lunch!  The twice a month live videocast/podcast all about #DFIR !\  This broadcast: Matt Bromiley, +Matt Bromiley talking about filters he has made for Elastic Handler and work Talking about the 1st Annual Defcon Forensic CTF Updates to EventMonkey to work with EVTXtract from Willi Ballenthin and bringing in descriptions and more!  Download the Defcon Forensics CTF Here:  https://forum.defcon.org/forum/defcon...  The password to extract: ,sli38pdsf;aj8387f*HKlnelne7fy7GUHMBNWlo9udsijw_kn3ohfsa8y^%%T   Submit your answers here: whymirosh@gmail.com  Link to event monkey: https://github.com/devgc/EventMonkey

The Forensic Lunch! The twice a month live videocast/podcast all about <a href="https://www.youtube.com/results?q=%23DFIR" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">#DFIR</a> !\ This broadcast: Matt Bromiley, +Matt Bromiley talking about filters he has made for Elastic Handler and work Talking about the 1st Annual Defcon Forensic CTF Updates to EventMonkey to work with EVTXtract from Willi Ballenthin and bringing in descriptions and more! Download the Defcon Forensics CTF Here: <a href="https://forum.defcon.org/forum/defcon/dc24-official-unofficial-parties-social-gatherings-events-contests/dc24-official-and-unofficial-contests/forensics-ctf/224068-forensicsctf-tasks" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://forum.defcon.org/forum/defcon...</a> The password to extract: ,sli38pdsf;aj8387f*HKlnelne7fy7GUHMBNWlo9udsijw_kn3ohfsa8y^%%T Submit your answers here: whymirosh@gmail.com Link to event monkey: <a href="https://github.com/devgc/EventMonkey" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://github.com/devgc/EventMonkey</a>

Forensic20Lunch208-12-16

This episode is live from Enfuse with   Jake Williams and Heather Mahalik Paul Shomo of Guidance Software Ashley Hernandez of Guidance Software Jeff Hedlesky of Guidance Software

This episode is live from Enfuse with Jake Williams and Heather Mahalik Paul Shomo of Guidance Software Ashley Hernandez of Guidance Software Jeff Hedlesky of Guidance Software

Forensic Lunch live from Enfuse Day 2

 It's the Forensic Lunch!     The twice a month live videocast/podcast all about DFIR     This episode's guests:   Phil Hagen   Eric Zimmerman     Links:   - Twitter: @SOF_ELK   - Config/code repo: http://for572.com/sof-elk-git   - VM readme (w/ instructions and download link):

It's the Forensic Lunch! The twice a month live videocast/podcast all about DFIR This episode's guests: Phil Hagen Eric Zimmerman Links: - Twitter: @SOF_ELK - Config/code repo: <a href="http://for572.com/sof-elk-git" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://for572.com/sof-elk-git</a> - VM readme (w/ instructions and download link):

Forensic Lunch 7/29/16

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