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Episode 469: AI Leaders Bring Washington a Bag of Promises

Episode 468: The FTC Doubles Down, Down, Down

Episode 467: District Judge’s Injunction Sets Off Fireworks

Episode 466: The Geopolitics of Extraditing Hackers

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Max Schrems

Episode 465: Stewart Baker and Max Schrems Debate the Privacy Framework

Episode 464: Sen. Schumer Tackles AI Regulation

Episode 463: Yet Another Synthetic Moral Panic over Privacy

Episode 462: Cryptopocalypse

Episode 461: Debating AI Regulation

Jimmy Wales

Episode 460: Interviewing Jimmy Wales, Cofounder of Wikipedia

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The Cyberlaw Podcast

In our 249th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews Christopher Bing (@bing_chris) and Joel Schectman (@joel_schectman), reporters for Reuters who recently broke major stories on the United Arab Emirates’ employment of US cyber mercenaries and the Karma spying tool. Stewart is joined for the News Roundup by Philip Khinda, Maury Shenk, Nate Jones (@n8jones81), and Dr. Megan Reiss (@MegReiss) to discuss: Is the Yahoo breach settlement a new front or a black swan in breach derivative litigation?; Citizen Lab faced down a smear campaign that had striking resemblance to BlackCube.; Russians attempted to use disinformation against Robert Mueller’s probe into disinformation.; Android security locking out law enforcement was an “unintended side effect.”; Major flaw in Apple’s FaceTime allowed for eavesdropping; New York is investigating.; Apple cut off Facebook and Google employees from internal corporate applications.; Ukraine says Russia is trying to disrupt its upcoming election.; Japan is pioneering an “intrusive” survey of bot-vulnerable IoT devices.; The Pentagon is reportedly failing to stay ahead of cyber threats.; EPIC et al. are calling on the FTC to impose severe penalties on Facebook. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 249: Black swans, black ops, BlackCube, and red herrings

In our 259th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker is joined by Maury Shenk, Pete Jeydel, Matthew Heiman, and Nick Weaver (@ncweaver) to discuss: Julian Assange was arrested in the UK and faces extradition.; Google’s Sensorvault: Another bogus privacy scandal?; The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States is pressuring a Russia-linked firm to sell its stake in a cybersecurity company – and it levied a $1 million fine in an unrelated matter.; The German data protection commissioner ruled out Amazon cloud for use by police, citing the CLOUD Act as a vulnerability – the Department of Justice is not convinced.; The European Union and China held a summit.; The Pentagon is considering issuing a “blacklist” of Chinese companies that may pose a threat to supply chains.; China is using AI to find Uighurs in crowds of Han Chinese. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 259: Why France understands Chinese policy better than the rest of us

In our 270th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews Christopher Bing (@Bing_Chris), a cybersecurity reporter at Reuters who was on the team that recently broke two major reports on China and Russia. Stewart and Chris are joined by David Kris (@DavidKris), Nate Jones (@n8jones81), and Jordan Cannon to discuss: The effects of the trade war on US chip makers.; How one US chip maker gave China the “keys to the kingdom.”; How China is learning from Putin.; China-linked hackers siphoned data from telcos for several years.; NSA twice mistakenly collected call data on Americans.; Don’t count on competition to save dissenting speech in Silicon Valley.; The Trump Administration is considering an encryption crackdown. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 270: China's cyber offense comes of age

Michael Hayden

In our 225th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews General Michael Hayden (@GenMhayden) regarding his new book The Assault on Intelligence: American National Security in an Age of Lies. Stewart and General Hayden are joined by Paul Rosenzweig(@RosenzweigP), David Kris (@DavidKris), Nate Jones (@n8jones81), and Nick Weaver (@ncweaver) to discuss: ZTE takes compliance steps, gets preliminary life support order from Commerce Department; and China Mobile’s application to provide telecom service to Americans is also going to bite the dust – after only seven years of dithering; remarkably, European Parliament has second thoughts about self-destructive copyright maximalism – maybe Wikipedia Italy’s blocking campaign had some effect? Is Europe leaving the US in the dust when it comes to rifling through immigrants' digital data? And: Israel claims that social media monitoring has cut down on lone-wolf attacks – the Palestinians aren’t happy; DNC tries to improve security, gets 80% of its staff not to click on bad links – what’s sad is that this really is pretty good by the standards of most institutions; Feds have developed a strategy to bust Dark Web money launderers; NSA’s mass data destruction. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 225: Interview with General Michael Hayden

In our 264th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker is joined by Eric Emerson, Maury Shenk, Matthew Heiman, and Nick Weaver (@ncweaver) to discuss: The Supreme Court has allowed the antitrust suit against Apple to proceed.; Companies are trying to adapt to the China tariffs.; Foreign companies operating in China are facing a cyber crackdown.; The president issued a new Executive Order on technology supply chain security.; The UK Supreme Court has ruled that hacking activities can be subject to legal challenges.; Cisco, Intel, and Microsoft all had critical security lapses.; NSO Group’s powerful spyware affected WhatsApp users.; The Chinese owner of the Grindr dating app must sell by mid-2020.; And more! The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 264: Unpacking the Supreme Court's decision in Pepper v. Apple

Joseph Nye

In this bonus episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker revisits his April 2015 interview with Joseph Nye (@Joe_Nye). Stewart and Professor Nye discuss cyberwar strategy, the problem of attribution, and the rise of China, among other things. The Cyberlaw Podcast will return from hiatus with another edition of Blockchain Takes Over the Cyberlaw Podcast on September 4. Stewart will return the following week with an interview with Bruce Schneier. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Bonus: Interview with Joseph Nye (2015)

ByteDance

In our 285th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker is joined by David Kris (@DavidKris), Mark MacCarthy (@Mark_MacCarthy), and Matthew Heiman to discuss: The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States is investigating ByteDance’s acquisition of Musical.ly.; WhatsApp is suing NSO Group over its Pegasus spyware.; The ACLU is suing the FBI, the Department of Justice, and the DEA for “secrecy” over facial recognition.; There’s a ransomware hero living in Normal, Illinois.; The Defense Innovation Board offered some principles for ethical use of artificial intelligence.; Israel is going to create its own foreign investment review panel.; The Interior Department grounded its entire drone fleet, citing risk from Chinese manufacturers.; And more! The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

In our 285th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker is joined by David Kris (@DavidKris), Mark MacCarthy (@Mark_MacCarthy), and Matthew Heiman to discuss: The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States is investigating ByteDance’s acquisition of <a href="http://Musical.ly" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Musical.ly</a>.; WhatsApp is suing NSO Group over its Pegasus spyware.; The ACLU is suing the FBI, the Department of Justice, and the DEA for “secrecy” over facial recognition.; There’s a ransomware hero living in Normal, Illinois.; The Defense Innovation Board offered some principles for ethical use of artificial intelligence.; Israel is going to create its own foreign investment review panel.; The Interior Department grounded its entire drone fleet, citing risk from Chinese manufacturers.; And more! The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 285: ByteDance bitten by CFIUS

In our 245th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker is joined for the News Roundup by Nate Jones (@n8jones81) and David Kris (@DavidKris) to discuss: Silicon Valley says – what else? – that export controls will hurt AI development.; The Department of Justice indicted members of APT10. Jack Goldsmith and Robert Williams are critical of the name-and-shame strategy generally.; Hacks of the month: Newspapers were disrupted by a cyber incident.; A hacker dumped data on Angela Merkel and a number of other German politicians.; Hackers stole personal information of North Koreans in South Korea.; The US and China are in a quantum arms race that may transform warfare.; A judge issued a mixed bag of rulings on three motions to suppress in Hal Martin’s NSA theft case, which just gets weirder and weirder.; Today’s forecast: Windy with a probability of litigation. Los Angeles sues Weather Company for collecting and sharing location information in an app.; Standing claims another biometric data lawsuit in Illinois, but the Rosenbach v. Six Flags case lives on in the Illinois Supreme Court.; A clever AI hid data from its creators to cheat at its appointed task.; The president signed the SECURE Tech Act, setting vulnerability disclosure policy and calling for bug bounties at DHS.; A really fascinating and deeply ambivalating report on Amazon Marketplace. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 245: "Pay no attention to the guns, the flashbang, and the handcuffs. You’re free to go at any time."

In our 248th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews John Carlin, former Assistant Attorney General in charge of the National Security Division at the Department of Justice and author of the new book, Dawn of the Code War. Stewart is also joined for the News Roundup by Gus Hurwitz (@GusHurwitz), Dr. Megan Reiss (@MegReiss), and Nick Weaver (@ncweaver) to discuss: Illinois’ biometric privacy law will not be salvaged by the courts.; Doxing people works both ways.; The Department of Homeland Security issued an emergency order to civilian agencies to protect themselves against DNS hijacking.; According to a Dutch court, patients have no right to know about a doctor’s medical negligence.; Google knows what’s best for YouTube users.; China has a new app that allows people to easily identify others worthy of shame. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 248: Tomayto, Tomahto: Right to be Forgotten Meets Right to Die

Travis LeBlanc

In our 305th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews Travis LeBlanc, a Member of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board. Stewart and Travis discuss NSA’s call detail records program and the PCLOB’s recent oversight report, “Report on the Government’s Use of the Call Detail Records Program under the USA Freedom Act.” The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 305: NSA's call detail records program: Travis LeBlanc of the PCLOB

Susan Landau

In our 201st episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker, Brian Egan, and Nick Weaver discuss: unpacking the Nunes memo – quickly; China builds the Africa Union a totally pwned headquarters; Ninth Circuit sides with Twitter in ISIS terrorism support lawsuit; 28 fake advertising agencies to power giant malvertising campaign; while Twitter is awash in fake followers; are the Dutch paying the price for catching the Russians hacking the DNC?; more sex toy insecurity lawsuits; trade and cybersecurity; the European Union announces path forward for data protection in trade deals? the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) countries reportedly agree to include NIST cybersecurity principles in the digital trade chapter of a revised NAFTA. Our guest interview is with Susan Landau, Bridge Professor at the Fletcher School of Law &amp; Diplomacy and School of Engineering, Department of Computer Science at Tufts University to discuss her newly released book Listening In: Cybersecurity in an Insecure Age. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Interview with Susan Landau

In our 307th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews Jason Healey, senior research scholar and adjunct professor at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs. Stewart and Jason are also joined by Alan Cohn, Matthew Heiman, David Kris (@davidkris), and Nick Weaver (@ncweaver) to discuss: Governments turn to surveillance to track coronavirus patients.; Will FISA ever be renewed?; The United States dropped charges from the Robert Mueller probe.; Russia’s FSB wants a cyberweapon to knock entire nations offline.; CISA issued a memo identifying “essential critical infrastructure workers” during the COVID-19 pandemic.; The European Union says Russia is distributing coronavirus disinformation.; Could the Norsk Hydro attack be a blueprint for future attacks?; Ex-Uber executive Anthony Levandowski pleaded guilty to trade secret theft. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 307: Is privacy in pandemics like atheism in foxholes?

In our 260th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker is joined by Matthew Heiman, Paul Rosenzweig (@RosenzweigP), and Nick Weaver (@ncweaver) to discuss: The Sri Lankan government suspended social media in the wake of the Easter attacks.; “Highly capable and brazen” attacks on Middle East DNS national security users.; The EU Commission found no evidence of Kaspersky spying on behalf of the Kremlin.; Speaking of Kaspersky, apparently someone was trying to spy on the company’s critics.; Iranian government hacking tools were leaked.; The PPD-20 repeal may have yielded some successes.; The Mar-a-Lago Affair: Maybe it wasn’t malware after all.; Perhaps face recognition software should be banned because it’s getting too good.; Microsoft once cited human rights as a reason for turning down face recognition sales.; The UK Information Commissioner is considering social media restrictions for minors.; The UK is also adopting strict online age verification for pornography.; The Mueller Report threw sidelights on “Going Dark” and Bitcoin anonymity.; Facebook, privacy, and the FTC: The FTC is looking at ways to hold Mark Zuckerberg personally accountable.; Facebook “unintentionally” uploaded the email contacts of 1.5 million people.; Zuckerberg leveraged user data over business partners.; A deeply reported investigation into months of “fresh hell” at Facebook. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Epidsode 260: Sending our passports to Pornhub

In our 236th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews Christopher Krebs (@nppd_krebs), Under Secretary for the National Protection and Programs Directorate – and soon to be Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency – at the Department of Homeland Security. Stewart is also joined by Maury Shenk and Jamil Jaffer (@jamil_n_jaffer) to discuss: The Khashoggi killing compromises Saudi Twitter manipulation effort; The Intercept sends another source to jail, despite considerable effort spent on tradecraft; The effects of the EU’s attack on Google Android; The Securities and Exchange Commission flags email fraud costing nine firms $100 million and hints at enforcement in the future; China’s tech startup boom is attracting US venture capital (VC) money just as the flood of Chinese VC money into the US starts looking iffy; The ABA finds ethical mandate for breach disclosure to clients, and more; Do names on doorbells violate GDPR? Vienna: yes; Berlin: no; Equifax insider trading by data breach engineer leads to eight months of home confinement – and a $50,000 fine. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 236: Twitterlaw and the Khashoggi Killing

Brad Smith

In our 289th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews Brad Smith, president of Microsoft and co-author of the new book, Tools and Weapons: The Promise and Peril of the Digital Age, with Carol Ann Browne. Stewart is also joined by David Kris (@davidkris), Nate Jones (@n8jones81), and Nick Weaver (@ncweaver) to discuss: Congress kicked the Section-215-reauthorization can down the road to March 15, 2020.; China has new rules for vulnerability disclosure and information sharing.; China is reliant on US-origin AI frameworks, which could be a liability.; Iran’s APT33 is targeting industrial control systems.; The United Nations gave up on Internet Freedom by deciding to adopt Russia’s “cybercrime” resolution.; Brian Krebs offered insight on why Russia tried so hard to prevent the extradition of a hacker from Israel.; A suspected drug dealer was accused of theft for removing a police GPS tracker from his vehicle.; And more! The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 289: Brad Smith on Microsoft's Journey from Hubris to Humility

In our 286th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews Andy Greenberg. Andy is an award-winning senior writer at Wired, where he covers cybersecurity. His new book, Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers, is out now. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 286: Sandworm and the GRU's global intifada

Alex Stamos

In our 276th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews Alex Stamos, Adjunct Professor at Stanford University’s Freeman Spogli Institute and Visiting Scholar at the Hoover Institution, regarding the Stanford Internet Observatory’s new research, “Taiwan: Presidential Election 2020 Scene Setter.” The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 276: Alex Stamos on Electoral Interference in Taiwan

In our 287th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker is joined by Paul Rosenzweig (@RosenzweigP), Nate Jones (@n8jones81), and Nick Weaver (@ncweaver) to discuss: Former Twitter employees were accused of spying on behalf of Saudi Arabia.; India appears to be using NSO Group’s spyware.; Facebook’s political ad policy faces criticism.; A judge issued a wide-ranging warrant to review a DNA database.; The National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence issued its interim report.; Russia is taking steps to protect its hackers from extradition.; And more! The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 287: Plumbing the depths of artificial stupidity

Edward Snowden

In our 280th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews John Samples from the Cato Institute regarding his essay, “Why the Government Should Not Regulate Content Moderation of Social Media.” They are joined by Evan Abrams, Matthew Heiman, David Kris (@DavidKris), and Nate Jones (@n8jones81) to discuss: A CLOUD Act treaty may be signed with the United Kingdom this year.; The president apparently has a beef with CrowdStrike.; Lawmakers appear willing to let the NSA’s phone surveillance program lapse.; The Electronic Frontier Foundation and the New York Times are pushing the National Security Letter issue.; The Department of Justice is suing to collect the royalties from Edward Snowden’s new book.; Shareholders have alleged that FedEx covered up damages caused by NotPetya.; The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States has some new rules.; Some people doubt the future viability of end-to-end encryption.; China is assigning social credit scores to businesses.; TikTok censors videos that Beijing doesn’t like.; France issued its outlook on international law and cyber conflict.; Speaking of cyberwar, there’s a renewed international effort to build cyber norms. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 280: Challenging Edward Snowden

In our 299th episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast, Stewart Baker interviews Peter Swire (@PeterSwire) and Maury Shenk regarding recent developments in European cybersecurity and privacy law. Stewart is also joined by David Kris (@DavidKris), Nate Jones (@n8jones81), and Matthew Heiman to discuss: Alleged Vault7 leaker Joshua Schulte had his first day in court.; The Department of Defense released its final cybersecurity plan for contractors, but questions remain concerning the audit process.; EKANS is a new ransomware targeting industrial control systems.; A flawed caucus app sowed chaos in Iowa.; The Federal Communications Commission could sue telephone service providers for selling phone location data.; The Maze ransomware has ravaged law firms in recent weeks.; Google and Facebook shied away from an undersea cable to China.; The Senate Intelligence Committee released the third volume of its Russian interference report.; And more! The views expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not reflect the opinions of the firm.

Episode 299: The European Court of Justice is About to Kick Off a Massive US-EU Trade War

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