We hope everyone is enjoying their summer holiday (if you're fortunate enough to have one)! As you relax, we have another great episode for you. First, Brian treats us to a review of the partial annulment of the Khudyan v. Armenia award concerning issues of dual nationality [TIME 6:35]. For HFT, we invite back Jonathan Passaro for another great interview concerning the dreaded annual reviews [TIME 26:47]. Don't forget to register for the 20th Anniversary ICAL Conference in Stockholm here.

We hope everyone is enjoying their summer holiday (if you're fortunate enough to have one)! As you relax, we have another great episode for you. First, Brian treats us to a review of the partial annulment of the Khudyan v. Armenia award concerning issues of dual nationality [TIME 6:35]. For HFT, we invite back Jonathan Passaro for another great interview concerning the dreaded annual reviews [TIME 26:47]. Don't forget to register for the 20th Anniversary ICAL Conference in Stockholm <a href="https://www.icalalumni.org/2023-ical-conference" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.

Season 7 Episode 6 - The Excess of Mandate

In Episode 5, Saadia introduces a news-worthy update about the multi-jurisdictional saga regarding the recognition and enforcement of a USD 15 billion arbitration award issued between the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu and Malaysia [TIME 06:16]. Then, for HFT, Brian recounts the trials and tribulations of file sharing and how institutions are adapting their technology to facilitate case management [TIME 25:15].

In Episode 5, Saadia introduces a news-worthy update about the multi-jurisdictional saga regarding the recognition and enforcement of a USD 15 billion arbitration award issued between the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu and Malaysia [TIME 06:16]. Then, for HFT, Brian recounts the trials and tribulations of file sharing and how institutions are adapting their technology to facilitate case management [TIME 25:15].

Season 7 Episode 5 - The Crippling Arbitration

With a full suite of co-hosts, we tackle a question that has bothered us all: why do people confuse arbitration with arbitrage [TIME 34:12]? But before that, we engage in another Arbitration Book Club discussion, this time based on our reading of Mikaël Schinazi’s book The Three Ages of International Commercial Arbitration [TIME 03:31].For those who, like us, remain confused please see the following dictionary definitions:Arbitration: “[t]he formal process of having an outside person, chosen by both sides to a disagreement, end the disagreement“Arbitrage: “[t]he method on the stock exchange of buying something in one place and selling it in another place at the same time, in order to make a profit from the difference in price in the two places“

With a full suite of co-hosts, we tackle a question that has bothered us all: why do people confuse arbitration with arbitrage [TIME 34:12]? But before that, we engage in another Arbitration Book Club discussion, this time based on our reading of Mikaël Schinazi’s book <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/three-ages-of-international-commercial-arbitration/5D717F22CAC5AC978573792849889F63" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Three Ages of International Commercial Arbitration </a>[TIME 03:31].For those who, like us, remain confused please see the following dictionary definitions:Arbitration: “[t]he formal process of having an outside person, chosen by both sides to a disagreement, end the disagreement“Arbitrage: “[t]he method on the stock exchange of buying something in one place and selling it in another place at the same time, in order to make a profit from the difference in price in the two places“

Season 7 Episode 4 - The Arbitrage Station

In Episode 3, Brian welcomes the first interview of the season, Simon Camilleri [TIME 06:40], who introduces the proposed reforms to the English Arbitration Act of 1996. We discuss the consultation process and our personal views on the need and adequacy of the reforms. Then, for HFT [TIME 27:24], Brian and Saadia discuss how close is too close in the arbitration community - are we victims of challenge paranoia?

In Episode 3, Brian welcomes the first interview of the season, Simon Camilleri [TIME 06:40], who introduces the proposed reforms to the English Arbitration Act of 1996. We discuss the consultation process and our personal views on the need and adequacy of the reforms. Then, for HFT [TIME 27:24], Brian and Saadia discuss how close is too close in the arbitration community - are we victims of challenge paranoia?

Season 7 Episode 3 - Challenge Paranoia

Saadia and Brian discuss whether government bailouts can be a basis for investment arbitration claims? In this second episode of the season, a recently published decision on the issue serves to set the scene on the now much talked about Credit Suisse saga.*  [TIME 00:02:38] During Happy Fun Time, we ponder whether arbitration lawyers have become ambulance chasers and if so, is that ok? [TIME 00:21:08] *Since the recording of this episode we have learned that Japanese bondholders, in addition to Singapore bondholders, are also contemplating a treaty claim against Switzerland following the AT1 bond wipe out.

Saadia and Brian discuss whether government bailouts can be a basis for investment arbitration claims? In this second episode of the season, a recently published decision on the issue serves to set the scene on the now much talked about Credit Suisse saga.* [TIME 00:02:38] During Happy Fun Time, we ponder whether arbitration lawyers have become ambulance chasers and if so, is that ok? [TIME 00:21:08] *Since the recording of this episode we have learned that Japanese bondholders, in addition to Singapore bondholders, are also contemplating a treaty claim against Switzerland following the AT1 bond wipe out.

Season 7 Episode 2 - The Ambulance Station

We’re back in business, with a slightly changed format: shorter, snappier, and a semi-retired Joel. In this first episode of season 7, we discuss how different aspects of recent technology advancements influences the practice of arbitration. Brian first discusses the development toward decentralised autonomous organisations [TIME 05:27], before the season’s first Happy Fun Time addresses how new AI tools are changing how we conduct arbitration work [TIME 20:08].

We’re back in business, with a slightly changed format: shorter, snappier, and a semi-retired Joel. In this first episode of season 7, we discuss how different aspects of recent technology advancements influences the practice of arbitration. Brian first discusses the development toward <a href="https://www.weforum.org/reports/decentralized-autonomous-organization-toolkit/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">decentralised autonomous organisations</a> [TIME 05:27], before the season’s first Happy Fun Time addresses how new AI tools are changing how we conduct arbitration work [TIME 20:08].

Season 7 Episode 1 - The AI Station

Kluwer Arbitration Blog Quiz: According to arbitration historian Derek Roebuck, what practice was widely used during the reign of her majesty Queen Elizabeth I to avoid the involvement of the Crown in disputes? This was one of the questions asked at the first ever live Kluwer Arbitration Blog Quiz. If you are scratching your head for the answer, fear not, we captured the whole event live!

Kluwer Arbitration Blog Quiz: According to arbitration historian Derek Roebuck, what practice was widely used during the reign of her majesty Queen Elizabeth I to avoid the involvement of the Crown in disputes? This was one of the questions asked at the first ever live Kluwer Arbitration Blog Quiz. If you are scratching your head for the answer, fear not, we captured the whole event live!

Kluwer Arbitration Blog Quiz

ICCA 2022 Mini-Series - Part 6: Last but certainly not least, Saadia interviews Mahnaz Malik, barrister at Twenty Essex in London. Saadia and Mahnaz discuss whether arbitration is suffering from a mid-life crisis, how the field has evolved since its inception and the key changes we can expect to see in the future.

ICCA 2022 Mini-Series - Part 6: Last but certainly not least, Saadia interviews <a href="https://www.twentyessex.com/people/mahnaz-malik/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mahnaz Malik</a>, barrister at Twenty Essex in London. Saadia and Mahnaz discuss whether arbitration is suffering from a mid-life crisis, how the field has evolved since its inception and the key changes we can expect to see in the future.

ICCA 2022 Mini-Series - Part 6

ICCA 2022 Mini-Series - Part 5: In our fifth instalment, we interviewed a Scottish local (well, sort of). James Hope, a Partner at Vinge in Stockholm, sits down to discuss the progress of fairness and diversity in arbitration. He specifically reflects on the importance of the rule of law, even in war times, and arbitration as being a tool for peace.

ICCA 2022 Mini-Series - Part 5: In our fifth instalment, we interviewed a Scottish local (well, sort of). <a href="https://www.vinge.se/en/our-people/james-hope/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">James Hope</a>, a Partner at Vinge in Stockholm, sits down to discuss the progress of fairness and diversity in arbitration. He specifically reflects on the importance of the rule of law, even in war times, and arbitration as being a tool for peace.

ICCA 2022 Mini-Series - Part 5

ICCA 2022 Mini-Series - Part 4: In our fourth instalment, we spoke to the only sociologist in the room…well, at least one of very few. We sit down with Florian Grisel, Associate Professor of Socio-Legal Studies at Oxford University, who spoke to us about some sociological perspectives of international arbitration. Can arbitration practitioners learn from a dialogue with sociology? Listen to this episode and let us know!

ICCA 2022 Mini-Series - Part 4: In our fourth instalment, we spoke to the only sociologist in the room…well, at least one of very few. We sit down with <a href="https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/people/florian-grisel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Florian Grisel</a>, Associate Professor of Socio-Legal Studies at Oxford University, who spoke to us about some sociological perspectives of international arbitration. Can arbitration practitioners learn from a dialogue with sociology? Listen to this episode and let us know!

ICCA 2022 Mini-Series - Part 4

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The Arbitration Station is a podcast about international arbitration. It covers both investment and commercial arbitration and contains both serious substance and gossipy gibberish. Hosts Brian Kotick, Saadia Bhatty and Joel Dahlquist.

The Arbitration Station

In this episode we address two issues that will also be discussed at the 3rd ICC European Conference on International Arbitration on 1 April: sanctions [TIME 12:25] and mandatory rules [TIME 36:53]. The Happy Fun Time segment is devoted to hearing preparations, where Brian has a thing or two to teach Joel about how the real world works for (junior) arbitration counsel [TIME 53:40]. 

In this episode we address two issues that will also be discussed at the <a href="https://iccwbo.org/event/icc-european-conference/?fbclid=IwAR1ea5QvfDl8MVPvSUIm5PaEJlNNlzNgOpKUXrZMY3Bz6a258erttUGBTVI" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3rd ICC European Conference on International Arbitration</a> on 1 April: sanctions [TIME 12:25] and mandatory rules [TIME 36:53]. The Happy Fun Time segment is devoted to hearing preparations, where Brian has a thing or two to teach Joel about how the real world works for (junior) arbitration counsel [TIME 53:40].

Season 3 Episode 13 - The Mandatory Rules

Still in Sydney, we talk to three heavy-weights: Christophe Bondy is first out, discussing his experience representing states in investment arbitration [TIME 12.:27]. Then, Stavros Brekoulakis talks to us about public-private arbitration (for an article on the topic, see here) [TIME 39:35]. Finally, Susan Franck focuses on our favourite nerd topic: costs [TIME 1:03:46].

Still in Sydney, we talk to three heavy-weights: <a href="https://www.cooley.com/people/christophe-bondy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Christophe Bondy</a> is first out, discussing his experience representing states in investment arbitration [TIME 12.:27]. Then, <a href="http://www.law.qmul.ac.uk/staff/brekoulakis.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stavros Brekoulakis</a> talks to us about public-private arbitration (for an article on the topic, see <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2868024" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>) [TIME 39:35]. Finally, <a href="https://www.wcl.american.edu/community/faculty/profile/franck/bio" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Susan Franck</a> focuses on our favourite nerd topic: costs [TIME 1:03:46].

Season 2 Episode 12 - The Third from ICCA

Spread over the world, we fight for the upper hand in our new co-host chemistry. Saadia has interviewed Jaroslav Kudrna [TIME 12:08] from the Czech Ministry of Finance, about the state’s experience as respondent in investment arbitrations. Brian then discusses denial of benefits in investment treaties [TIME 45:34], before we go HFT [TIME 1:06:22] and discuss a question sent in by a listener: what happens when you move jurisdictions?

Spread over the world, we fight for the upper hand in our new co-host chemistry. Saadia has interviewed <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaroslavkudrna/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jaroslav Kudrna</a> [TIME 12:08] from the Czech Ministry of Finance, about the state’s experience as respondent in investment arbitrations. Brian then discusses denial of benefits in investment treaties [TIME 45:34], before we go HFT [TIME 1:06:22] and discuss a question sent in by a listener: what happens when you move jurisdictions?

Season 4 Episode 5 - The Lateral Moves

Happy holidays, arbitration nerds! From the International Arbitration Center in London, Brian and Saadia call up Joel and it has to be said: Joel’s audio is below par. Figuring out recording from a new place is a work in progress.  Luckily, Joel pre-recorded an interview with Kathleen Claussen about WTO dispute resolution and in particular the recent crisis in the Appellate Body [TIME 8:20]. Then Saadia takes us on a tour of the intersection between religion and arbitration [TIME 31:55], before we talk about gift-giving protocols for Happy Fun Time [56:12].

Happy holidays, arbitration nerds! From the <a href="https://www.int-arb.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">International Arbitration Center </a>in London, Brian and Saadia call up Joel and it has to be said: Joel’s audio is below par. Figuring out recording from a new place is a work in progress.  Luckily, Joel pre-recorded an interview with <a href="https://www.law.miami.edu/faculty/kathleen-claussen" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kathleen Claussen</a> about WTO dispute resolution and in particular the recent crisis in the Appellate Body [TIME 8:20]. Then Saadia takes us on a tour of the intersection between religion and arbitration [TIME 31:55], before we talk about gift-giving protocols for Happy Fun Time [56:12].

Season 4 Episode 7 - The Holiday Special (and a little WTO crisis)

We're back, baby! In the first episode of Season 2, we set up the "Places of Arbitration" series, which will be a recurring feature of the new season [TIME 32:59]. Part of this is talking to a true expert on the matter: professor Loukas Mistelis, who has done a lot of research on competition among different legal seats [TIME 07:45]. The first Happy Fun Time of 2018 is about the phrase "Arbitration Friendly" - what does it even mean [TIME 40:44]? 

We're back, baby! In the first episode of Season 2, we set up the "Places of Arbitration" series, which will be a recurring feature of the new season [TIME 32:59]. Part of this is talking to a true expert on the matter: <a href="http://www.law.qmul.ac.uk/staff/mistelis.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">professor Loukas Mistelis</a>, who has done a lot of research on competition among different legal seats [TIME 07:45]. The first Happy Fun Time of 2018 is about the phrase "Arbitration Friendly" - what does it even mean [TIME 40:44]?

Season 2 Episode 1 - The Arbitration Friendly Season Opener

In this week's Arbitration Station, Joel talks to Taylor St John about the history of ISDS (an interview he's been waiting to do for a long time) [TIME 7:20]. After that, we start off on our Places of Arbitration trip around the world, with a geographically modest jump to neighbouring Helsinki, where Anna-Maria Tamminnen introduced us to the Finnish arbitration community [TIME 43:08]. For Happy Fun Time, we ask ourselves what the proper protocol is when you travel with colleagues [TIME 1:10:20].

In this week's Arbitration Station, Joel talks to <a href="http://www.jus.uio.no/ior/english/people/aca/taylors/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Taylor St John</a> about the history of ISDS (an interview he's been waiting to do for a long time) [TIME 7:20]. After that, we start off on our Places of Arbitration trip around the world, with a geographically modest jump to neighbouring Helsinki, where <a href="https://www.hannessnellman.com/our-people/anna-maria-tamminen" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Anna-Maria Tamminnen</a> introduced us to the Finnish arbitration community [TIME 43:08]. For Happy Fun Time, we ask ourselves what the proper protocol is when you travel with colleagues [TIME 1:10:20].

Season 2 Episode 2 - The History of ISDS

Saadia and Joel have been to Vienna for the UNCITRAL Working Group, and took the chance to talk to Julian Arato about shareholder claims in investment treaty arbitration [TIME 8:48]. Brian quizzes the others about double-hatters (Joel calls in without a microphone - sorry for sound quality), [TIME 32:58] while HFT is a nerd bonanza on fonts and formatting in legal writing [TIME 1:00:33].

Saadia and Joel have been to Vienna for the UNCITRAL Working Group, and took the chance to talk to Julian Arato about shareholder claims in investment treaty arbitration [TIME 8:48]. Brian quizzes the others about double-hatters (Joel calls in without a microphone - sorry for sound quality), [TIME 32:58] while HFT is a nerd bonanza on fonts and formatting in legal writing [TIME 1:00:33].

Season 4 Episode 4 - The Shareholder Claims

With no guests to help out, Brian and Joel try to nail jello to the wall by explaining the outlines of a tribunal’s power to draw adverse inferences [13:28]. The second substantive segment is art arbitration - a topic very much in the news lately [37:49]. For Happy Fun Time [59:07], we go through some of the badly written arbitration clauses which were submitted by listeners, and use that as a basis for a discussion on clause drafting. 

With no guests to help out, Brian and Joel try to nail jello to the wall by explaining the outlines of a tribunal’s power to draw adverse inferences [13:28]. The second substantive segment is art arbitration - a topic very much in the news lately [37:49]. For Happy Fun Time [59:07], we go through some of the badly written arbitration clauses which were submitted by listeners, and use that as a basis for a discussion on clause drafting.

Season 3 Episode 7 - The Jello on the Wall

We discuss corruption in international arbitration [TIME 14:38]. In the second segment, Brian interviews Philippe Pinsolle about interim measures [TIME 37:00]. In the HFT segment, we discuss local counsel: how are they involved in the arbitration, what is their relationship to international counsel, and – most importantly – are international counsel better than local counsel? [TIME 57:24] Also: open call for submissions! Send us your favorite bad arbitration clauses to thearbitrationstation @ gmail dot com, and we’ll do a segment on them.

We discuss corruption in international arbitration [TIME 14:38]. In the second segment, Brian interviews <a href="https://www.quinnemanuel.com/attorneys/pinsolle-philippe" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Philippe Pinsolle</a> about interim measures [TIME 37:00]. In the HFT segment, we discuss local counsel: how are they involved in the arbitration, what is their relationship to international counsel, and – most importantly – are international counsel better than local counsel? [TIME 57:24] Also: open call for submissions! Send us your favorite bad arbitration clauses to thearbitrationstation @ gmail dot com, and we’ll do a segment on them.

Season 3 Episode 5 - The Corruption

In the first episode from the Sydney ICCA Congress, we come out strong. We interview Donald Donovan and Gabrielle Kaufmann-Kohler, outgoing and incoming ICCA president respectively, about the organization and their visions for it [TIME 6:35]. Then, Brian talks to Sydney-based Max Bonnell about arbitration in our host city [TIME 28:53]. Finally, we stick to HFT tradition and talk about grammar rules and drafting styles, in a session recorded in our hotel room [TIME 48:12]. 

In the first episode from the Sydney ICCA Congress, we come out strong. We interview <a href="https://www.debevoise.com/donalddonovan" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Donald Donovan</a> and <a href="https://lk-k.com/team/gabrielle-kaufmann-kohler-lawyer/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gabrielle Kaufmann-Kohler</a>, outgoing and incoming ICCA president respectively, about the organization and their visions for it [TIME 6:35]. Then, Brian talks to Sydney-based <a href="https://www.whitecase.com/people/max-bonnell" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Max Bonnell</a> about arbitration in our host city [TIME 28:53]. Finally, we stick to HFT tradition and talk about grammar rules and drafting styles, in a session recorded in our hotel room [TIME 48:12].

Season 2 Episode 10 - The First from ICCA

Brian talks to Portuguese lawyer Duarte Henriques about arbitration in Lisbon [TIME 8:50], and Joel discusses the use of legal precedent by tribunals [TIME 36:44]. For Happy Fun Time, we give mooties - participants as well as arbitrators - a chance to cure their Vis hangover by talking to Cristen Bauer from the Moot Alumni Association about ways to stay in touch with the moot community [TIME 1:02:40]. 

Brian talks to Portuguese lawyer <a href="http://www.bch.pt/team/duarte-gorjao-henriques/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Duarte Henriques</a> about arbitration in Lisbon [TIME 8:50], and Joel discusses the use of legal precedent by tribunals [TIME 36:44]. For Happy Fun Time, we give mooties - participants as well as arbitrators - a chance to cure their Vis hangover by talking to Cristen Bauer from the <a href="http://www.maa.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Moot Alumni Association</a> about ways to stay in touch with the moot community [TIME 1:02:40].

Season 2 Episode 6 - The Doctrine of Precedent

In our continued tour around the world we go to Moscow to talk to Roman Zykov about recent reforms in Russian arbitration, Russian arbitration lawyers and a few very interesting war stories from Moscow [TIME 4:18]. We then act as if we know anything about Brexit and its effect on international arbitration [TIME 42:39], but then again who knows anything about what is going to happen? The final segment is a Happy Fun Time discussion inspired by a Kluwer blog post suggesting we start talking about all-male tribunals as "defective" [TIME 59:50].

In our continued tour around the world we go to Moscow to talk to <a href="http://mansors.com/people/roman-zykov/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Roman Zykov</a> about recent reforms in Russian arbitration, Russian arbitration lawyers and a few very interesting war stories from Moscow [TIME 4:18]. We then act as if we know anything about Brexit and its effect on international arbitration [TIME 42:39], but then again who knows anything about what is going to happen? The final segment is a Happy Fun Time discussion inspired by a <a href="http://arbitrationblog.kluwerarbitration.com/2018/01/14/post/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kluwer blog post</a> suggesting we start talking about all-male tribunals as "defective" [TIME 59:50].

Season 2 Episode 4 - The Defective Podcast

We're preparing for our trip to the ICCA Congress in Sydney, and in the meantime we talk to Victoria Kummer about New York as a place of arbitration (some mediation came up as well) [TIME 8:24]. In the second substantive segment we quiz "Canadian-Canadian" Quantum Boy Michael Kotrly about damages in international arbitration - how are they calculated and why are lawyers so bad at calculating[37:54]? Unfortunately there is a crackling that shows up sometimes when Michael speaks, for which we very much apologize! This week's happy fun time then focuses on billing and various aspects of that practice, from both a law firm and an arbitrator's perspective [TIME 1:15:12].

We're preparing for our trip to the ICCA Congress in Sydney, and in the meantime we talk to <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/victoriaakummer/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Victoria Kummer </a>about New York as a place of arbitration (some mediation came up as well) [TIME 8:24]. In the second substantive segment we quiz "Canadian-Canadian" Quantum Boy <a href="https://www.freshfields.com/en-gb/contacts/find-a-lawyer/k/kotrly-michael/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Michael Kotrly</a> about damages in international arbitration - how are they calculated and why are lawyers so bad at calculating[37:54]? Unfortunately there is a crackling that shows up sometimes when Michael speaks, for which we very much apologize! This week's happy fun time then focuses on billing and various aspects of that practice, from both a law firm and an arbitrator's perspective [TIME 1:15:12].

Season 2 Episode 8 - The Quantum Boy

In the second to last episode of 2017, we address three issues on E: expert witnesses (who are they, how do you prepare them, how much do you pay them), exclusion agreements (where and how can parties opt out of court review) and ethics (which is Happy Fun Time, in case you didn't know that ethics was fun).

In the second to last episode of 2017, we address three issues on E: expert witnesses (who are they, how do you prepare them, how much do you pay them), exclusion agreements (where and how can parties opt out of court review) and ethics (which is Happy Fun Time, in case you didn't know that ethics was fun).

Episode 17 - The Penultimate

Joel is in Copenhagen and Brian is in Amsterdam so the initial segment is recorded remotely, in a way that brings back memories from the early days of DIY audio. Thankfully, most of the episode was recorded in Sydney, where we first talk to ICSID Secretary-General Meg Kinnear about ISDS reform and ICSID's role in it [TIME 9:27]. Next, Ben Hayward discusses conflict of laws in international commercial arbitration (he has a great book out, if you use this link you will get a good discount from Oxford University Press) [TIME 35:12]. Finally, Hugh Carlson discusses AI and cybersecurity and how they interact with arbitration [TIME TIME 59:27]. No Happy Fun Time this week - it will be back next week, in the final episode from Sydney (we think).

Joel is in Copenhagen and Brian is in Amsterdam so the initial segment is recorded remotely, in a way that brings back memories from the early days of DIY audio. Thankfully, most of the episode was recorded in Sydney, where we first talk to ICSID Secretary-General <a href="https://icsid.worldbank.org/en/Pages/about/Meg-Kinnear.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Meg Kinnear</a> about ISDS reform and ICSID's role in it [TIME 9:27]. Next, <a href="https://research.monash.edu/en/persons/ben-hayward" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ben Hayward</a> discusses conflict of laws in international commercial arbitration (he has a <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/conflict-of-laws-and-arbitral-discretion-9780198787440?cc=dk&amp;lang=en&amp;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">g</a>reat book out, if you <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/conflict-of-laws-and-arbitral-discretion-9780198787440?cc=dk&amp;lang=en&amp;promocode=ALFLY5F" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">use this link </a>you will get a good discount from Oxford University Press) [TIME 35:12]. Finally, <a href="https://www.threecrownsllp.com/team/hugh-carlson/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hugh Carlson</a> discusses AI and cybersecurity and how they interact with arbitration [TIME TIME 59:27]. No Happy Fun Time this week - it will be back next week, in the final episode from Sydney (we think).

Season 2 Episode 13 - The Fourth from ICCA

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