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Karthick Ramakrishnan, founder and director of the AAPI Data Project and associate dean of the UC Riverside School of Public Policy, joins the Model MAJORITY Podcast, to talk about the genesis, goal, findings, and future...

078: (We)Chat about (AAPI) Data [Guest: Karthick Ramakrishnan]

Show Log   00: Open, intros, Emil comments on news, including the week's gun violence and the NBA champion Golden State Warriors.   14:35 Karthick Ramakrishnan, UC Riverside, School of Public Policy; AAPI Data   15:52 Interview begins 1:01:20  On bias against South Asians 1:02:49  On Vincent Chin Anniversary 1:07:10 Emil reads his Father's Day Essay      Emil Guillermo: Who is Asian American? On AMEMSA, Vincent Chin, and my Amok Monologues for Father's Day. PODCAST EXTRA: Karthick Ramakrishnan June 16, 2017 11:57 AM Say Asian or Asian American, and people think "Chinese." Most people know that's not the case, but that tends to be the prevailing stereotype. And not just among whites, blacks, and Latinos.  It's harder when even Asian Americans believe in the stereotype. "East Asians need to recognize that Southeast Asians and South Asians are Asians too, " Karthick Ramakrishnan told me on Emil Amok's Takeout. "If you combine the Southeast Asian and South Asian categories, all these nationalities together, they're the overwhelming majority. East Asians are now a minority within the Asian American category."     Ramakrishnan is Professor of Political Science and Associate Dean of the School of Public Policy at the University of California, Riverside. He directs the National Asian American Survey, which recently revealed the jaw-dropping finding that some Asian Americans don't consider South Asians as Asian American. Previously, I spoke with his NAAS cohort Jennifer Lee about this survey question here. In my interview with Ramakrishnan, we discuss who has the power to define who is Asian, and how the "Asian American" umbrella is being threatened. Is an AMEMSA--Arab, Middle Eastern, Muslim, South Asian--category inevitable?  "If you're brown and someone thinks you're Muslim, you get a different racial experience," Ramakrishnan told me on Emil Amok's Takeout. "That's what "AMEMSA" captures. But what happens then to the broad Asian American category of 21 million and growing when 5 million South Asians can't identify and adopt a new category?  Ramakrishnan also talks about how the NAAS findings may explain why there wasn't a massive mobilization from Asian Americans to protest the murder of Srinivas Kuchibhotla earlier this year.  While Vincent Chin's murder inspired the activism of Asian Americans 35 years ago, the ire over the Kuchibhotla hate crime has not had a similar impact on the community. Ramakrishnan said it should have, and the fact that it didn't reveals Asian America's implicit and explicit biases. "It's kind of a game of whack-a-mole," Ramakrishnan told me. "Unfortunately, when particular parts of our community are getting whacked, other parts of our community don't stand up nearly as much and are not nearly as vocal as we should be." Uh-oh. We're reverting back to the other prevailing stereotype. Non-boat rockers. Just get on the boat. Don't miss it. Get off the boat. Just don't rock it.  But maybe we should. The upcoming 35th anniversary of Vincent Chin is the time for some reflection. In 2014, I  wrote about how the entire community should use the days Chin was in a coma from June 19 to June 23 to think about what it's like to be Asian American. We are coming up to that time. It's a wide ranging Emil Amok's Takeout, including a special treat: I read my annual Father's Day essay, part of a story in my "Amok Monologues: A short history of the American Filipino--NPR, Harvard, Death on Mission St.," which I'm premiering at the San Diego International Fringe Festival, June 23 to 29.   Buy your tickets here:  https://sdfringe.ticketleap.com/amok-monologues/      If you're in San Diego, come on by! It's another part of my exploration of the solo performance form. It's funny.  It's tragic. It's amok!    contact:   http://www.amok.comhttp://www.aaldef.org/blog

Show Log   00: Open, intros, Emil comments on news, including the week's gun violence and the NBA champion Golden State Warriors.   14:35 Karthick Ramakrishnan, UC Riverside, School of Public Policy; AAPI Data   15:52 Interview begins 1:01:20  On bias against South Asians 1:02:49  On Vincent Chin Anniversary 1:07:10 Emil reads his Father's Day Essay     <a href="http://aaldef.org/blog/emil-guillermo-who-is-asian-american-amemsa-census-vincent-chin-amok-monologues-podcast-karthick-ram.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Emil Guillermo: Who is Asian American? On AMEMSA, Vincent Chin, and my Amok Monologues for Father's Day. PODCAST EXTRA: Karthick Ramakrishnan</a> June 16, 2017 11:57 AM Say Asian or Asian American, and people think "Chinese." Most people know that's not the case, but that tends to be the prevailing stereotype. And not just among whites, blacks, and Latinos.  It's harder when even Asian Americans believe in the stereotype. "East Asians need to recognize that Southeast Asians and South Asians are Asians too, " Karthick Ramakrishnan told me on Emil Amok's Takeout. "If you combine the Southeast Asian and South Asian categories, all these nationalities together, they're the overwhelming majority. East Asians are now a minority within the Asian American category."   Ramakrishnan is Professor of Political Science and Associate Dean of the School of Public Policy at the University of California, Riverside. He directs the National Asian American Survey, which recently revealed the jaw-dropping finding that some Asian Americans don't consider South Asians as Asian American. Previously, I spoke with his NAAS cohort Jennifer Lee about this survey question <a href="http://bit.ly/2s9DASs" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>. In my interview with Ramakrishnan, we discuss who has the power to define who is Asian, and how the "Asian American" umbrella is being threatened. Is an AMEMSA--Arab, Middle Eastern, Muslim, South Asian--category inevitable?  "If you're brown and someone thinks you're Muslim, you get a different racial experience," Ramakrishnan told me on Emil Amok's Takeout. "That's what "AMEMSA" captures. But what happens then to the broad Asian American category of 21 million and growing when 5 million South Asians can't identify and adopt a new category?  Ramakrishnan also talks about how the NAAS findings may explain why there wasn't a massive mobilization from Asian Americans to protest the murder of Srinivas Kuchibhotla earlier this year.  While Vincent Chin's murder inspired the activism of Asian Americans 35 years ago, the ire over the Kuchibhotla hate crime has not had a similar impact on the community. Ramakrishnan said it should have, and the fact that it didn't reveals Asian America's implicit and explicit biases. "It's kind of a game of whack-a-mole," Ramakrishnan told me. "Unfortunately, when particular parts of our community are getting whacked, other parts of our community don't stand up nearly as much and are not nearly as vocal as we should be." Uh-oh. We're reverting back to the other prevailing stereotype. Non-boat rockers. Just get on the boat. Don't miss it. Get off the boat. Just don't rock it.  But maybe we should. The upcoming 35th anniversary of Vincent Chin is the time for some reflection. In 2014, I <a href="http://aaldef.org/blog/remembering-vincent-chin-the-passion-and-agony-of-a-community.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> wrote</a> about how the entire community should use the days Chin was in a coma from June 19 to June 23 to think about what it's like to be Asian American. We are coming up to that time. It's a wide ranging Emil Amok's Takeout, including a special treat: I read my annual Father's Day essay, part of a story in my "Amok Monologues: A short history of the American Filipino--NPR, Harvard, Death on Mission St.," which I'm premiering at the San Diego International Fringe Festival, June 23 to 29.   Buy your tickets here:  <a href="https://sdfringe.ticketleap.com/amok-monologues/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://sdfringe.ticketleap.com/amok-monologues/</a>   If you're in San Diego, come on by! It's another part of my exploration of the solo performance form. It's funny.  It's tragic. It's amok!    contact:   <a href="http://www.amok.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.amok.com</a><a href="http://www.aaldef.org/blog" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.aaldef.org/blog</a>

Ep.17 Emil's Father's Day Essay; Karthick Ramakrishnan on Asian Americans and South Asians

Jennifer Lee

Pawan Dhingra

Ep.16: Emil Amok's Takeout---Show Log :00-show open; Emil's take on Trump's tweets, climate change accord, Kathy Griffin, James Comey, Trump as hood ornament. 15::40 The NAAS Survey's finding that Asian Americans often exclude South Asians, Central Asians. Our xenophobia problem. 17:00 Prof. Jennifer Lee, Columbia Univ. on her research with Dean Karthick Ramakrishnan, UC-Riverside  58:25 Prof. Pawan Dhingra, Tufts University, reacts to the findings.  Show ends with my Warrior Prediction for Game 3! AALDEF blog for the week: Emil Guillermo: Paris Accord pullout? Trump's twitter logorrhea impacts our political climate even more; and a Podcast on our community conundrum: Are South Asians really Asian? June 5, 2017 9:30 PM  Too much terror, too much news. And the really important event of last week--Trump's nose- thumbing at world unity on climate change by pulling out of the Paris Accord-- is practically forgotten.   Not that Trump would like us to dwell on that.  That was a classic Trump communication boner.  The Washington Post Fact-Checker, co-written by Michelle Ye Hee Lee with Glenn Kessler, pointed out Trump's basic misunderstanding of the accord. It's a non-binding deal. He can change Obama's goals on his own. That's a kind of deal the slippery Trump should love.  But his misreading of the accord led to wrong assumptions, like whether China and India could end up building more coal plants than the U.S. No, they can't. In fact, China has just curtailed more than 100 coal plants this year. Truth is optional with The Donald. He made up his mind on the Paris Accord with the wrong facts.   Being morally wrong is bad enough. It's worse when it's compounded by being factually wrong.  And that was just a few Trump misstatements from last week's accord pull-out speech.  It was just the pre-weekend warmup.  After the London terrorist attacks, Trump's tweets turn out to be a lot more dangerous than any greenhouse gas--to the political climate.  Maybe the president needs better pictures to understand the issues. He got things completely wrong when it came to London's Mayor Sadiq Khan, who was trying to calm his city after the latest attacks. The mayor told his citizenry not to get alarmed by the massive police presence.  Khan wasn't downplaying terrorism.  Trump, of course, totally misunderstood and had to tweet it out.  "At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is 'no reason to be alarmed!'" Trump said in a tweet, misconstruing the statement of Mayor Khan.  Another tweet was more offensive. "Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement. MSM [mainstream media] is working hard to sell it!"  And then he used the occasion to further advocate for his travel ban, because in Trump-think, if we banned Muslims we could stop terrorism. Only this time ,Trump was unequivocal in his belligerence and xenophobia.  "People, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but I am calling it what we need and what it is, a TRAVEL BAN!"  The caps are all Trump's.  This is the kind of misunderstanding that can lead to real tragedy--armed conflicts, major wars.  Even conservatives are starting to indicate that a Trump Twitter intervention may be needed. After Kellyanne Conway defended the president on morning TV by trying to downplay the tweets, her husband, Filipino American attorney George Conway, was appealing to the level-headed.  "These tweets may make some ppl feel better, but they certainly won't help OSG [Office of the Solicitor General] get 4 votes in SCOTUS, which is what actually matters. Sad."   Yes. Sad.   Trump stands by Twitter as a way to talk directly to the people. But that's precisely why journalists must cover the statements and take them seriously. Surely, world leaders are concerned about the uncensored thoughts coming through Trump's twitter logorrhea.  That's the precise word for it.  We should all be concerned.   ARE INDIANS AND PAKISTANIS ASIAN AMERICAN? Trump isn't the only one with a xenophobia issue. In some alarming findings, the 2016 National Asian American Survey found that many non-Asians don't think South Asians are Asian American.   Worse, many in our own big tent group, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, don't think so either.  Jennifer Lee, Columbia University sociology professor and Karthick Ramakrishnan, Dean of Public Policy at UC Riverside,  published the findings in The Society Pages.  Most whites, blacks, and Latinos held the view that only East Asians from China, Japan, and Korea were Asian American.  Filipinos were tweeners, with anywhere from 15 to 17 percent of different groups thinking Filipinos weren't Asians. (Maybe Mexicans?)   But ask all groups about Indians and Pakistanis from South Asia, and Arabs and Middle Eastern people from Central and West Asia, and embarrassingly large numbers don't see them as Asian American at all.   Among whites, 41 percent said Indians are not likely to be Asian American, and 45 percent didn't see Pakistanis as Asian American.     Here's the jawdropper. Even among Asians, the numbers who didn't see Indians or Pakistanis as Asian American were in the 30-40 percent range.  It's actually very Trump-like of the Asian Americans surveyed.  You'll recall the February murder of Srinivas Kuchibhotla, the Kansas City tech engineer who was allegedly gunned down at a suburban bar by Adam Purinton, 51, a Navy veteran and former air traffic controller, who saw Kuchibhotla and yelled, "Get out of my country."  That was on Feb. 22.   It took six days before the president even acknowledged it in a brief mention in his joint speech before Congress.  It could have been an opportunity for real leadership. But everything the president has done has emboldened violent white nationalists. We saw it recently with the violent stabbings in Portland. And certainly we saw it in Kansas City when Kuchibhotla was gunned down.  At the time, I thought the murder would galvanize the broader community of 21 million Asian Americans to stand up united against the hateful political sentiments of Steve Bannon being channeled through Trump and that's been empowering folks like Adam Purinton.  And now, because of the insights of the survey on how we see ourselves, I know why it didn't.  "To fail to see Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis as Asian--especially when they see themselves as such--is to silence their voices," wrote Lee and Ramakrishnan in the Society Pages. "It also risks promoting an incomplete portrait of Asian Americans that ignores more threatening, dangerous and even deadly forms of anti-Asian discrimination."  Jennifer Lee called it "drawing boundaries on Asian America."   Or maybe a wall?  That NAAS research shows it's happening, and that in a serious way, Asian Americans have our own sense of xenophobia.  Like Trump, we fear each other.   We're just not tweeting about it as much as he does. Listen to my interview with Lee on the East Asian/South Asian divide and the findings of the survey on our podcast, Emil Amok's Takeout, coming soon.  *     *     *  Emil Guillermo is an independent journalist/commentator. Updates at www.amok.com. Follow Emil on Twitter, and like his Facebook page.   The views expressed in his blog do not necessarily represent AALDEF's views or policies.    Posted by:Emil Guillermo

Ep.16: Emil Amok's Takeout---Show Log :00-show open; Emil's take on Trump's tweets, climate change accord, Kathy Griffin, James Comey, Trump as hood ornament. 15::40 The NAAS Survey's finding that Asian Americans often exclude South Asians, Central Asians. Our xenophobia problem. 17:00 Prof. Jennifer Lee, Columbia Univ. on her research with Dean Karthick Ramakrishnan, UC-Riverside  58:25 Prof. Pawan Dhingra, Tufts University, reacts to the findings.  Show ends with my Warrior Prediction for Game 3! AALDEF blog for the week: <a href="http://aaldef.org/blog/emil-guillermo-climate-change-trump-podcast-are-south-asians-really-asian.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Emil Guillermo: Paris Accord pullout? Trump's twitter logorrhea impacts our political climate even more; and a Podcast on our community conundrum: Are South Asians really Asian?</a> June 5, 2017 9:30 PM Too much terror, too much news. And the really important event of last week--Trump's nose- thumbing at world unity on climate change by pulling out of the Paris Accord-- is practically forgotten.  Not that Trump would like us to dwell on that. That was a classic Trump communication boner. The Washington Post Fact-Checker, co-written by Michelle Ye Hee Lee with Glenn Kessler, pointed out Trump's basic misunderstanding of the accord. It's a non-binding deal. He can change Obama's goals on his own. That's a kind of deal the slippery Trump should love. But his misreading of the accord led to wrong assumptions, like whether China and India could end up building more coal plants than the U.S. No, they can't. In fact, China has just curtailed more than 100 coal plants this year. Truth is optional with The Donald. He made up his mind on the Paris Accord with the wrong facts.  Being morally wrong is bad enough. It's worse when it's compounded by being factually wrong. And that was just a few Trump misstatements from last week's accord pull-out speech. It was just the pre-weekend warmup. After the London terrorist attacks, Trump's tweets turn out to be a lot more dangerous than any greenhouse gas--to the political climate. Maybe the president needs better pictures to understand the issues. He got things completely wrong when it came to London's Mayor Sadiq Khan, who was trying to calm his city after the latest attacks. The mayor told his citizenry not to get alarmed by the massive police presence. Khan wasn't downplaying terrorism. Trump, of course, totally misunderstood and had to tweet it out. "At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is 'no reason to be alarmed!'" Trump said in a tweet, misconstruing the statement of Mayor Khan. Another tweet was more offensive. "Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement. MSM [mainstream media] is working hard to sell it!" And then he used the occasion to further advocate for his travel ban, because in Trump-think, if we banned Muslims we could stop terrorism. Only this time ,Trump was unequivocal in his belligerence and xenophobia. "People, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but I am calling it what we need and what it is, a TRAVEL BAN!" The caps are all Trump's. This is the kind of misunderstanding that can lead to real tragedy--armed conflicts, major wars. Even conservatives are starting to indicate that a Trump Twitter intervention may be needed. After Kellyanne Conway defended the president on morning TV by trying to downplay the tweets, her husband, Filipino American attorney George Conway, was appealing to the level-headed. "These tweets may make some ppl feel better, but they certainly won't help OSG [Office of the Solicitor General] get 4 votes in SCOTUS, which is what actually matters. Sad."   Yes. Sad.  Trump stands by Twitter as a way to talk directly to the people. But that's precisely why journalists must cover the statements and take them seriously. Surely, world leaders are concerned about the uncensored thoughts coming through Trump's twitter logorrhea. That's the precise word for it. We should all be concerned.  ARE INDIANS AND PAKISTANIS ASIAN AMERICAN? Trump isn't the only one with a xenophobia issue. In some alarming findings, the 2016 National Asian American Survey found that many non-Asians don't think South Asians are Asian American.   Worse, many in our own big tent group, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, don't think so either. Jennifer Lee, Columbia University sociology professor and Karthick Ramakrishnan, Dean of Public Policy at UC Riverside,  published the findings in The Society Pages. Most whites, blacks, and Latinos held the view that only East Asians from China, Japan, and Korea were Asian American. Filipinos were tweeners, with anywhere from 15 to 17 percent of different groups thinking Filipinos weren't Asians. (Maybe Mexicans?) But ask all groups about Indians and Pakistanis from South Asia, and Arabs and Middle Eastern people from Central and West Asia, and embarrassingly large numbers don't see them as Asian American at all.   Among whites, 41 percent said Indians are not likely to be Asian American, and 45 percent didn't see Pakistanis as Asian American.  Here's the jawdropper. Even among Asians, the numbers who didn't see Indians or Pakistanis as Asian American were in the 30-40 percent range. It's actually very Trump-like of the Asian Americans surveyed. You'll recall the February murder of Srinivas Kuchibhotla, the Kansas City tech engineer who was allegedly gunned down at a suburban bar by Adam Purinton, 51, a Navy veteran and former air traffic controller, who saw Kuchibhotla and yelled, "Get out of my country." That was on Feb. 22.  It took six days before the president even acknowledged it in a brief mention in his joint speech before Congress. It could have been an opportunity for real leadership. But everything the president has done has emboldened violent white nationalists. We saw it recently with the violent stabbings in Portland. And certainly we saw it in Kansas City when Kuchibhotla was gunned down. At the time, I thought the murder would galvanize the broader community of 21 million Asian Americans to stand up united against the hateful political sentiments of Steve Bannon being channeled through Trump and that's been empowering folks like Adam Purinton. And now, because of the insights of the survey on how we see ourselves, I know why it didn't. "To fail to see Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis as Asian--especially when they see themselves as such--is to silence their voices," wrote Lee and Ramakrishnan in the Society Pages. "It also risks promoting an incomplete portrait of Asian Americans that ignores more threatening, dangerous and even deadly forms of anti-Asian discrimination." Jennifer Lee called it "drawing boundaries on Asian America."  Or maybe a wall? That NAAS research shows it's happening, and that in a serious way, Asian Americans have our own sense of xenophobia. Like Trump, we fear each other.   We're just not tweeting about it as much as he does. Listen to my interview with Lee on the East Asian/South Asian divide and the findings of the survey on our podcast, Emil Amok's Takeout, coming soon. *     *     * Emil Guillermo is an independent journalist/commentator. Updates at <a href="http://www.amok.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.amok.com</a>. Follow Emil on <a href="http://twitter.com/emilamok" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and like his <a href="https://www.facebook.com/emilguillermo.media/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a> page.   The views expressed in his blog do not necessarily represent AALDEF's views or policies. <a href="http://aaldef.org/blog/archive/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a> Posted by:<a href="http://aaldef.org/blog/archive/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Emil Guillermo</a>

Ep.16: Asian American Islamophobia? Research of Jennifer Lee and Karthick Ramakrishnan; Reaction from Pawan Dhingra.