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We’re back, with an episode that was three months in the making. Mike and Paul talk (in November 2016) about the state of things in our Apple /// worlds, and then speak at some length with Don Burtis (in December 2016), who designed (among many other things) the Microsoft SoftCard III. Don Burtis, who is probably most prominently associated, in the eyes of the Apple II and III enthusiasts, as the designer of the Microsoft SoftCard, a Z80 coprocessor card that enabled the Apple II series computers to run CP/M software. As Paul Allen indicated in his book “Idea Man,” this was strategically important for Microsoft early on, as VisiCalc was beginning to take off on the Apple II for businesses, as it would allow Microsoft’s existing software to run on the platform without the delay and investment of porting the software to the 6502. Microsoft had a run at the project internally but was having trouble with the design, and Don Burtis (of Burtronix) was called in to design the board. And later, the SoftCard III for the Apple III, as well as several other peripheral cards for the Apple III (including the Floppycard III, Protocard III, Printercard III). If you’re here just for the conversation with Don Burtis, it starts at minute 52. But before we talked with Don, we talked about several of the following things: Apple III ProFile Sales Kit Apple Orchard  Apple Orchard on yesterbits site Apple Orchard on archive.org Contact magazine on archive.org Fall 1980 v1n2: Apple III is here! Aug 1983 v4n5: Apple III, Wordstar, NoDOS 2 Mar 1984 v5n3: Apple II and III trap mouses Apple /// Guide for humans (Sep-Oct 1982 v3n4) Using SOS (Mar 1984 v5n3) A Look inside Apple /// (Fall 1980 v1n2) Apple /// Users unite (Summer 1981 v2n2) Apple /// Dabbling (Summer 1981 v2n2) Apple /// BASIC compare (Aug 1983 v4n5) Apple /// text file case converter (Sep 1983 v4n6) Burtronix/Rana FloppyCard III (Feb 1984 v5n2) Burtronix/Rana PrinterCard III (Jan 1984, v5n1) /// E-Z pieces review (Jun 1984 v5n5) Word Juggler review (Feb 1983 v4n1) Dvorak keyboard for Apple /// (Feb 1984 v5n2) Coming Full Circle (Aug 1983 v4n5) Unlocking Apple ///, part 1 (Mar-Apr 1982 v3n1) Unlocking Apple ///, part 2 (May-Jun 1982 v3n2) (invokable modules) Unlocking Apple ///, part 3 (Sep-Oct 1982 v3n4) Unlocking Apple ///, part 4 (Mar 1983 v4n2) Unlocking Apple ///, part 5 (Feb 1984 v5n2) Software developers and the Apple /// (Winter 1981-82 v2n4) Control your input (Nov-Dec 1982 v3n5) CP/M to SOS text mover (Sep 1983 v4n6) Apple /// clock install (Nov 1983 v4n8) Hot stuff for Apple /// (Jun 1984 v5n5) Driving your disk (Nov 1983 v4n8) Installing an Apple /// driver (Oct 1983 v4n7) Changing CP/M driver (Oct 1983 v4n7) The Apple nobody knows, part 1 (Fall 1981 v2n3) The Apple nobody knows, part 2 (Mar-Apr 1982 v3n1) ///plus, development program (Mar 1984 v5n3)  Apple National Account Program brochure (April 1982) Universal PSU from ReactiveMicro Apple /// (to /// plus) upgrade  Interlace upgrade Clock upgrade kit on eBay (vintagemicros) Upgrade kit contained: Keyboard, cover, keyboard encoder ROM, logo replacements VintageMicros on eBay vintagemicros.com  Axlon RAMDISK 320  Drop /// Inches episode 13 Paul’s Axlon RAMDISK 320 InfoWorld Nov 29 1982, RAMDISK 320 now CP/M compatible A brief review from Softalk December 1982 RAMdisk 320 ad RAMdisk 320 review in Open Apple Gazette v2n2 Connecting TRS-80 Model 100 to Apple /// (Open Apple Gazette v2n2)  Gibson Light Pen system, manual scans Apple /// SAM  Rob Justice’s Apple3SAM project on github Rob’s Retrochallenge blog Retrochallenge  Chris Zuhars’ homebrew Apple /// Quinn Dunki’s Veronica  Blondihacks blog entries Quinn’s Veronica talk for Hackaday  Hantarex CT 2000 monitor  Hantarex CT 2000 monitor eBay auction  Charles Mangin (Retroconnector) news:  Apple /// Raspberry Pi enclosure on Shapeways blog Making the Apple /// case (time lapse video) Replacement floppy drive doors Model M keyboard (that… does not type)  A few Apple III images from Ian ADTPro 2.02 Taylor Pohlman interviewed by Computer History Museum  Part 1 Part 2  And here, finally, are links to many of the things that came up in our conversation with Don Burtis:  Don Burtis on LinkedIn Paul Allen’s book, “Idea Man” D-K research (LisaCalc to Lotus Jazz) Diversified I/O (SoftBackup) Z-80 SoftCard manuals (Don Burtis’ proofing copy) West Coast Computer Fair review in Open Apple Gazette v1n6 (May 1983) FloppyCard III (Apple Orchard Feb 1984, v5n2) Vern Raburn Microcomputing Sep 1982 Kilobaud Microcomputing, Oct 1981 California Computer Systems (CCS) PrinterCard III (Apple Orchard Jan 1984, v5n1) Extender card, prototyping cards Burtronix ProtoCard III mentioned in Open Apple Gazette v1n5 8086/2 “Rana box”: Infoworld April 30, 1984 Goodwill industries auction site DTACK Grounded 68K development board Apple II interface Vista Computer Company ad (Byte, Oct 1982). TimeCard III, A800 Floppy Disk Controller Story of phone.com at Unwired Planet Berkeley Nucleonics DB-2 Eclipse Aviation Vulcan Ventures Capstone Turbine Eclipse 500 Titan Aerospace Google

We’re back, with an episode that was three months in the making. Mike and Paul talk (in November 2016) about the state of things in our Apple /// worlds, and then speak at some length with Don Burtis (in December 2016), who designed (among many other things) the Microsoft SoftCard III. Don Burtis, who is probably most prominently associated, in the eyes of the Apple II and III enthusiasts, as the designer of the Microsoft SoftCard, a Z80 coprocessor card that enabled the Apple II series computers to run CP/M software. As Paul Allen indicated in his book “Idea Man,” this was strategically important for Microsoft early on, as VisiCalc was beginning to take off on the Apple II for businesses, as it would allow Microsoft’s existing software to run on the platform without the delay and investment of porting the software to the 6502. Microsoft had a run at the project internally but was having trouble with the design, and Don Burtis (of Burtronix) was called in to design the board. And later, the SoftCard III for the Apple III, as well as several other peripheral cards for the Apple III (including the Floppycard III, Protocard III, Printercard III). If you’re here just for the conversation with Don Burtis, it starts at minute 52. But before we talked with Don, we talked about several of the following things: <a href="http://yesterbits.com/2017/01/17/apple-iii-profile-sales-kit/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple III ProFile Sales Kit</a> Apple Orchard <ul> <li><a href="http://yesterbits.com/scans/apple-orchard-magazine/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Orchard on yesterbits site</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/details/magazine_rack&amp;tab=collection?and[]=apple%20orchard" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Orchard on archive.org</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/details/apple_contact" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Contact magazine on archive.org</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/details/Apple_Orchard_1980_Fall_v1n2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fall 1980 v1n2: Apple III is here!</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/details/Apple-Orchard-v4n5-1983-Aug" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Aug 1983 v4n5: Apple III, Wordstar, NoDOS 2</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/details/Apple-Orchard-v5n3-1984-Mar" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mar 1984 v5n3: Apple II and III trap mouses</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v3n4-1982-Sep-Oct#page/n45/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple /// Guide for humans (Sep-Oct 1982 v3n4)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v5n3-1984-Mar#page/n67/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Using SOS (Mar 1984 v5n3)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v1n2-1980-Fall#page/n29/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A Look inside Apple /// (Fall 1980 v1n2)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v2n2-1981-Summer#page/n33/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple /// Users unite (Summer 1981 v2n2)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v2n2-1981-Summer#page/n33/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple /// Dabbling (Summer 1981 v2n2)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n5-1983-Aug#page/n43/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple /// BASIC compare (Aug 1983 v4n5)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n6-1983-Sep#page/n71/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple /// text file case converter (Sep 1983 v4n6)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/AppleOrchardV5n21984Feb/Apple-Orchard-v5n2-1984-Feb#page/n77/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Burtronix/Rana FloppyCard III (Feb 1984 v5n2)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v5n1-1984-Jan#page/n67/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Burtronix/Rana PrinterCard III (Jan 1984, v5n1)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v5n5-1984-Jun#page/n57/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">/// E-Z pieces review (Jun 1984 v5n5)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n1-1983-Feb#page/n69/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Word Juggler review (Feb 1983 v4n1)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/AppleOrchardV5n21984Feb/Apple-Orchard-v5n2-1984-Feb#page/n69/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dvorak keyboard for Apple /// (Feb 1984 v5n2)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n5-1983-Aug#page/n13/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Coming Full Circle (Aug 1983 v4n5)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v3n1-1982-Mar-Apr#page/n43/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Unlocking Apple ///, part 1 (Mar-Apr 1982 v3n1)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v3n2-1982-May-Jun#page/n67/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Unlocking Apple ///, part 2 (May-Jun 1982 v3n2)</a> (invokable modules)</li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v3n4-1982-Sep-Oct#page/n45/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Unlocking Apple ///, part 3 (Sep-Oct 1982 v3n4)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n2-1983-Mar#page/n57/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Unlocking Apple ///, part 4 (Mar 1983 v4n2)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/AppleOrchardV5n21984Feb/Apple-Orchard-v5n2-1984-Feb#page/n37/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Unlocking Apple ///, part 5 (Feb 1984 v5n2)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v2n4-1981-2-Winter#page/n21/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Software developers and the Apple /// (Winter 1981-82 v2n4)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/AppleOrchardV3n51982NovDec/Apple-Orchard-v3n5-1982-Nov-Dec#page/n81/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Control your input (Nov-Dec 1982 v3n5)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n6-1983-Sep#page/n39/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CP/M to SOS text mover (Sep 1983 v4n6)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n8-1983-Nov#page/n25/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple /// clock install (Nov 1983 v4n8)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v5n5-1984-Jun#page/n13/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hot stuff for Apple /// (Jun 1984 v5n5)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n8-1983-Nov#page/n63/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Driving your disk (Nov 1983 v4n8)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n7-1983-Oct#page/n23/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Installing an Apple /// driver (Oct 1983 v4n7)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v4n7-1983-Oct#page/n25/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Changing CP/M driver (Oct 1983 v4n7)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v2n3-1981-Fall#page/n19/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Apple nobody knows, part 1 (Fall 1981 v2n3)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v3n1-1982-Mar-Apr#page/n39/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Apple nobody knows, part 2 (Mar-Apr 1982 v3n1)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v5n3-1984-Mar#page/n71/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">///plus, development program (Mar 1984 v5n3)</a></li> </ul> <a href="http://drop-iii-inches.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/apple-national-account-program-1982-apr.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple National Account Program brochure (April 1982)</a> <a href="http://reactivemicro.com/wiki/Universal_PSU_Kit" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Universal PSU from ReactiveMicro</a> Apple /// (to /// plus) upgrade <ul> <li>Interlace upgrade</li> <li><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/141788855987" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Clock upgrade kit on eBay</a> (vintagemicros)</li> <li>Upgrade kit contained: Keyboard, cover, keyboard encoder ROM, logo replacements</li> <li><a href="http://stores.ebay.com/vintagemicros/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">VintageMicros on eBay</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.vintagemicros.com/catalog/index.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vintagemicros.com</a></li> </ul> Axlon RAMDISK 320 <ul> <li><a href="http://drop-iii-inches.com/2015/10/31/episode-13-wendell-sander/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Drop /// Inches episode 13</a></li> <li><a href="http://yesterbits.com/2017/01/22/axlon-ramdisk-320/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Paul’s Axlon RAMDISK 320</a></li> <li><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=HjAEAAAAMBAJ&amp;pg=PA23&amp;lpg=PA23&amp;dq=InfoWorld+Nov+29+1982+axlon+ramdisk+320&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=0w0KbTAjWL&amp;sig=Y7LN7RkYd4hcVZLm4LxmK74rTDs&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwiWmM_bwdTRAhXFWSYKHUk6B2IQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">InfoWorld Nov 29 1982, RAMDISK 320 now CP/M compatible</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/softalkv3n04dec1982#page/n230/mode/1up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A brief review from Softalk December 1982</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/details/Apple-Orchard-v3n2-1982-May-Jun" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RAMdisk 320 ad</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Open_Apple_Gazette_V2N2#page/n20/mode/1up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RAMdisk 320 review in Open Apple Gazette v2n2</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Open_Apple_Gazette_V2N2#page/n14/mode/1up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Connecting TRS-80 Model 100 to Apple /// (Open Apple Gazette v2n2)</a></li> </ul> <a href="http://www.apple2scans.net/2016/11/15/gibson-light-pen-manual-open-letter-and-pentrak-graphics-journal/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gibson Light Pen system, manual scans</a> Apple /// SAM <ul> <li><a href="https://github.com/robjustice/Apple3SAM" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rob Justice’s Apple3SAM project on github</a></li> <li><a href="http://robjapple.blogspot.com.au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rob’s Retrochallenge blog</a></li> <li><a href="http://retrochallenge.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Retrochallenge</a></li> </ul> <a href="https://homebrewapple3.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Chris Zuhars’ homebrew Apple ///</a> Quinn Dunki’s Veronica <ul> <li><a href="http://quinndunki.com/blondihacks/?page_id=1761" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Blondihacks blog entries</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UznzZ3RuLEY" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Quinn’s Veronica talk for Hackaday</a></li> </ul> Hantarex CT 2000 monitor <ul> <li><a href="http://drop-iii-inches.com/2017/01/21/hantarex-ct-2000-monitor/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hantarex CT 2000 monitor</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/232101067149" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">eBay auction</a></li> </ul> Charles Mangin (Retroconnector) news: <ul> <li><a href="https://www.shapeways.com/blog/archives/27179-4-gift-making-trends-for-holiday-2016.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple /// Raspberry Pi enclosure on Shapeways blog</a></li> <li><a href="https://youtu.be/ITsdbaqbObY" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Making the Apple /// case (time lapse video)</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.shapeways.com/product/APRS44P2T/apple-iii-disk-drive-door" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Replacement floppy drive doors</a></li> <li><a href="https://twitter.com/retroconnector/status/795746599649558530" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Model M keyboard (that… does not type)</a></li> </ul> <a href="http://yesterbits.com/2017/01/17/a-few-apple-iii-images-from-ian/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A few Apple III images from Ian</a> <a href="http://adtpro.sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ADTPro 2.02</a> Taylor Pohlman interviewed by Computer History Museum <ul> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i6mR3LHOB4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part 1</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dae27XNiMxk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part 2</a></li> </ul> And here, finally, are links to many of the things that came up in our conversation with Don Burtis: <ul> <li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-burtis-50275b8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Don Burtis on LinkedIn</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/306691/idea-man-by-paul-allen/9781591845379" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Paul Allen’s book, “Idea Man”</a></li> <li>D-K research (LisaCalc to Lotus Jazz)</li> <li>Diversified I/O (SoftBackup)</li> <li><a href="http://yesterbits.com/2017/01/21/microsoft-z-80-softcard-manual-draft/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Z-80 SoftCard manuals (Don Burtis’ proofing copy)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Open_Apple_Gazette_V1N6#page/n1/mode/2up/search/burtronix" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">West Coast Computer Fair review in Open Apple Gazette v1n6 (May 1983)</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/AppleOrchardV5n21984Feb/Apple-Orchard-v5n2-1984-Feb#page/n77/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FloppyCard III</a> (Apple Orchard Feb 1984, v5n2)</li> <li>Vern Raburn</li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/kilobaudmagazine-1982-09/Microcomputing_1982_September#page/n149/mode/1up/search/burtronix" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Microcomputing Sep 1982</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/kilobaudmagazine-1981-10/Kilobaud_Microcomputing_1981_October#page/n120/mode/1up/search/burtronix" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kilobaud Microcomputing, Oct 1981</a></li> <li>California Computer Systems (CCS)</li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/Apple-Orchard-v5n1-1984-Jan#page/n67/mode/2up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PrinterCard III</a> (Apple Orchard Jan 1984, v5n1)</li> <li>Extender card, prototyping cards</li> <li>Burtronix ProtoCard III <a href="https://archive.org/stream/Open_Apple_Gazette_V1N5#page/n13/mode/1up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mentioned in Open Apple Gazette v1n5</a></li> <li>8086/2 “Rana box”: <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=iC4EAAAAMBAJ&amp;lpg=PA44&amp;pg=PA44#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Infoworld April 30, 1984</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.shopgoodwill.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Goodwill industries auction site</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.easy68k.com/paulrsm/dg/dg01.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">DTACK Grounded 68K development board Apple II interface</a></li> <li><a href="https://archive.org/stream/BYTE_Vol_07-10_1982-10_Computers_in_Business/BYTE%20Vol%2007-10%201982-10%20Computers%20in%20Business#page/n78/mode/1up" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Vista Computer Company ad (Byte, Oct 1982)</a>. TimeCard III, A800 Floppy Disk Controller</li> <li><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050427090403/http://www.greer.org/?p=131" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Story of phone.com at Unwired Planet</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.berkeleynucleonics.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Berkeley Nucleonics</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.berkeleynucleonics.com/sites/berkeleynucleonics/files/products/datasheets/db-2_datasheet.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">DB-2</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_Aviation" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eclipse Aviation</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_Inc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Vulcan Ventures</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.capstoneturbine.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Capstone Turbine</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_500" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eclipse 500</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Aerospace" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Titan Aerospace</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google</a></li></ul>

Episode 18: Don Burtis