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Neil Heslop

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Jeff Bezos

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Rob Reich

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Helen Keller

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Teddy Schleifer

Andrew Bastawrous

Will Moy

Connie Gallippi

Tom Walker

Andrew Rudd

Rob Cope

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Andy Haldane

In this episode we talk to Andy Haldane, Chief Economist of the Bank of England about his long-standing interest in civil society, why he thinks it is so important yet undervalued, and what sort of challenges and opportunities the coming years may bring. We also have some analysis and additional insight from CAF CEO Neil Heslop. Including:   The economy and charitable giving  If the UK economy is like a “coiled spring”, and once lockdown measures are relaxed we will see a significant bounce-back as people start to spend again, will we also see a corresponding rise in charitable giving? Are there any concerns that some charities will have lost operational and fundraising capacity as a result of the pandemic, and this might limit their ability to harness any increase in giving?    The Role of Civil Society  What is the core role of the voluntary sector within society which differentiates it from either state or market provision? As the landscape for doing good appears to be expanding (with the emergence of mutual aid networks, digital social movements, purpose-led businesses, impact investing etc) do we need to make a renewed case for the unique value of charitable organisations? If so, what is that USP? Should we have any concerns that some of our models for engaging in civil society have become too transactional and thus may not be developing social capital in the way we might want?    Measurement  Many argue that a major challenge facing civil society is that most current systems of measurement do not capture the full value of what charities and other civil society organisations do. What should we be measuring instead? Is this more about better measurement within civil society, or about changing the measures government uses (e.g. GDP) so that they capture a wider notion of value? Or is it both? What would this entail in practice? Are there potential risks in putting more emphasis on measurement? E.g. that any measures become targets and thus skew activity (a la Goodhart’s Law); or that the decision about who gets to set measures introduces problematic power dynamics?    Civil Society Narratives &amp; Influence  Andy has previously argued that “despite its crucial role, the social sector goes largely unnoticed in many policy discussions”- is this primarily due to the current lack of appropriate measurement, or are there wider issues when it comes to our understanding and narratives around civil society? How can we get better understanding and clearer narratives about civil society and its role in the minds of policymakers? Are there any practical barriers that are currently limiting the ability of civil society to “have a seat at the table” when it comes to policy discussions? What could we do to overcome these?    Infrastructure  The pandemic has highlighted more starkly than ever how vital it is to have strong infrastructure in civil society. Where are the greatest weaknesses or biggest gaps in existing infrastructure that we need to address? How do we get government to think of social infrastructure alongside physical infrastructure? What might civil society infrastructure that is fit for the future (rather than based on the structures of the past) look like?    Digital  Evidence suggest that the charity sector is currently lagging behind in its adaptation to digital technology. What are the key barriers preventing charities from harnessing digital? How can we address these? What more could be done to match the existing supply of skills and capacity around technology in the private sector with the potential demand in civil society. How might this work? What role would the private sector, government and the charity sector need to play in making it happen?   Will the current period of enforced digitisation as a consequence of the COVID pandemic lead to more CSOs engaging with the opportunities and challenges of technology?    Civil Society in the 4th Industrial Revolution  Civil society played a key role in previous periods of rapid social and technological change - by helping people and communities to navigate challenges and opportunities, and by speaking out against any unintended harms of progress. Is civil society in a position to play this vital role in the current Fourth Industrial Revolution? If not, why not? What do we need to do to strengthen civil society capacity in this regard? What are some of the biggest opportunities that emerging technology could bring for civil society? Could widespread automation lead to a blurring of the boundaries between our notions of work, volunteering and leisure? Will we need to adjust our understanding and narratives of civil society accordingly? Should civil society organisations make a case for their value as sources of knowledge and insight about the potential impacts of technology on people and communities, which can help to inform wider policy debates about technological development?      Related Links:  Andy’s speech for the Pro Bono Economics 10th anniversary lecture, “The Third Pillar and the Fourth Industrial Revolution” FT, “Andy Haldane: Bring charities out of the technological dark ages” Civil Society, “Charities 'underestimated and overshadowed’ says Bank of England chief economist” Civil Society “Andy Haldane: Covid-19 has reinforced the values of community purpose and social solidarity” The Guardian, “Andy Haldane: ‘We have allowed the voluntary sector to wither’” Andy’s speech for Charity Finance Week 2020,  “The Role of Charities in an Era of Anxiety” Andy’s slides for his 2020 lecture, “The Health, Wealth &amp; Happiness of Nations” Mark Carney’s CAF Giving Thought podcast, “Philanthropy, civil society and COVID-19: what now, what next?” CAF’s “A Covid-19 Philanthropy Stimulus Package” policy paper, 2020 Rhod’s WEF article, “Where are the charities in the great AI debate?” Rhod’s Alliance magazine piece, “Riding the tiger of technological change” 

In this episode we talk to Andy Haldane, Chief Economist of the Bank of England about his long-standing interest in civil society, why he thinks it is so important yet undervalued, and what sort of challenges and opportunities the coming years may bring. We also have some analysis and additional insight from CAF CEO Neil Heslop. Including: The economy and charitable giving <ul> <li>If the UK economy is like a “coiled spring”, and once lockdown measures are relaxed we will see a significant bounce-back as people start to spend again, will we also see a corresponding rise in charitable giving?</li> <li>Are there any concerns that some charities will have lost operational and fundraising capacity as a result of the pandemic, and this might limit their ability to harness any increase in giving?</li> </ul> The Role of Civil Society <ul> <li>What is the core role of the voluntary sector within society which differentiates it from either state or market provision?</li> <li>As the landscape for doing good appears to be expanding (with the emergence of mutual aid networks, digital social movements, purpose-led businesses, impact investing etc) do we need to make a renewed case for the unique value of charitable organisations? If so, what is that USP?</li> <li>Should we have any concerns that some of our models for engaging in civil society have become too transactional and thus may not be developing social capital in the way we might want?</li> </ul> Measurement <ul> <li>Many argue that a major challenge facing civil society is that most current systems of measurement do not capture the full value of what charities and other civil society organisations do. What should we be measuring instead?</li> <li>Is this more about better measurement within civil society, or about changing the measures government uses (e.g. GDP) so that they capture a wider notion of value? Or is it both? What would this entail in practice?</li> <li>Are there potential risks in putting more emphasis on measurement? E.g. that any measures become targets and thus skew activity (a la Goodhart’s Law); or that the decision about who gets to set measures introduces problematic power dynamics?</li> </ul> Civil Society Narratives &amp; Influence <ul> <li>Andy has previously argued that “despite its crucial role, the social sector goes largely unnoticed in many policy discussions”- is this primarily due to the current lack of appropriate measurement, or are there wider issues when it comes to our understanding and narratives around civil society?</li> <li>How can we get better understanding and clearer narratives about civil society and its role in the minds of policymakers?</li> <li>Are there any practical barriers that are currently limiting the ability of civil society to “have a seat at the table” when it comes to policy discussions? What could we do to overcome these?</li> </ul> Infrastructure <ul> <li>The pandemic has highlighted more starkly than ever how vital it is to have strong infrastructure in civil society. Where are the greatest weaknesses or biggest gaps in existing infrastructure that we need to address?</li> <li>How do we get government to think of social infrastructure alongside physical infrastructure?</li> <li>What might civil society infrastructure that is fit for the future (rather than based on the structures of the past) look like?</li> </ul> Digital <ul> <li>Evidence suggest that the charity sector is currently lagging behind in its adaptation to digital technology. What are the key barriers preventing charities from harnessing digital? How can we address these?</li> <li>What more could be done to match the existing supply of skills and capacity around technology in the private sector with the potential demand in civil society. How might this work? What role would the private sector, government and the charity sector need to play in making it happen?</li> </ul> <ul> <li>Will the current period of enforced digitisation as a consequence of the COVID pandemic lead to more CSOs engaging with the opportunities and challenges of technology?</li> </ul> Civil Society in the 4th Industrial Revolution <ul> <li>Civil society played a key role in previous periods of rapid social and technological change - by helping people and communities to navigate challenges and opportunities, and by speaking out against any unintended harms of progress. Is civil society in a position to play this vital role in the current Fourth Industrial Revolution? If not, why not? What do we need to do to strengthen civil society capacity in this regard?</li> <li>What are some of the biggest opportunities that emerging technology could bring for civil society?</li> <li>Could widespread automation lead to a blurring of the boundaries between our notions of work, volunteering and leisure? Will we need to adjust our understanding and narratives of civil society accordingly?</li> <li>Should civil society organisations make a case for their value as sources of knowledge and insight about the potential impacts of technology on people and communities, which can help to inform wider policy debates about technological development?</li> </ul> Related Links: <ul> <li>Andy’s speech for the Pro Bono Economics 10th anniversary lecture, “<a href="https://www.probonoeconomics.com/news/andy-haldanes-full-speech-from-the-pro-bono-economics-10th-anniversary-lecture" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Third Pillar and the Fourth Industrial Revolution</a>”</li> <li>FT, “<a href="https://www.ft.com/content/ea7fd296-f858-4e89-9cd8-d352943ad178" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Andy Haldane: Bring charities out of the technological dark ages</a>”</li> <li>Civil Society, “<a href="https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/the-sector-s-contribution-is-often-underestimated-and-overshadowed-says-the-chief-economist-at-the-bank-of-england.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Charities 'underestimated and overshadowed’ says Bank of England chief economist</a>”</li> <li>Civil Society “<a href="https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/voices/andy-haldane-covid-19-has-reinforced-the-values-of-community-purpose-and-social-solidarity.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Andy Haldane: Covid-19 has reinforced the values of community purpose and social solidarity</a>”</li> <li>The Guardian, “<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/22/andy-haldane-bank-of-england-voluntary-sector-civil-society-technological-age" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Andy Haldane: ‘We have allowed the voluntary sector to wither</a>’”</li> <li>Andy’s speech for Charity Finance Week 2020, <a href="https://www.probonoeconomics.com/the-role-of-charities-in-an-era-of-anxiety" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> “The Role of Charities in an Era of Anxiety</a>”</li> <li>Andy’s slides for his 2020 lecture, “<a href="https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/speech/2020/the-health-wealth-and-happiness-of-nations-slides-by-andy-haldane.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Health, Wealth &amp; Happiness of Nations</a>”</li> <li>Mark Carney’s</li> <li>CAF Giving Thought podcast, “<a href="https://www.cafonline.org/about-us/blog-home/giving-thought/podcasts-from-giving-thought/cassie-robinson-on-tech-civil-society-and-philanthropy/the-history-of-philanthropy-and-civil-society-in-times-of-crisis" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Philanthropy, civil society and COVID-19: what now, what next?”</a></li> <li>CAF’s “<a href="https://www.cafonline.org/about-us/publications/2020-publications/a-covid-19-philanthropy-stimulus-package" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A Covid-19 Philanthropy Stimulus Package”</a> policy paper, 2020</li> <li>Rhod’s WEF article, “<a href="https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/civil-society-charities-artificial-intelligence/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Where are the charities in the great AI debate?”</a></li> <li>Rhod’s Alliance magazine piece, “<a href="https://www.alliancemagazine.org/feature/riding-tiger-technological-change/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Riding the tiger of technological change</a>”</li> </ul>

Why Civil Society Matters More Than Ever, with Andy Haldane (and Neil Heslop)

Cathy Yelf

Leonard Cheshire

Peter White is joined by Cathy Yelf, CEO of the Macular Society, who talks about their new report calling for more collaboration in the funding of medical research to find a cure for Age-Related Macular Degeneration.Neil Heslop, newly appointed CEO of Leonard Cheshire Disability talks about his new role and the way in which he plans to lead the organisation.

Peter White is joined by Cathy Yelf, CEO of the Macular Society, who talks about their new report calling for more collaboration in the funding of medical research to find a cure for Age-Related Macular Degeneration. Neil Heslop, newly appointed CEO of Leonard Cheshire Disability talks about his new role and the way in which he plans to lead the organisation.

Chief Executives Cathy Yelf, Macular Society and Neil Heslop, Leonard Cheshire Disability