Loch Johnson's guest appearances

Loch Johnson

SpyCast

Background Briefing with Ian Masters

Michelle Obama

Brad Meltzer

Michele Rigby Assad

Jack Barsky

Chuck Todd

Shane Harris

Sean Parnell

Greg Miller

Stanley McChrystal

James Gordon

Jon Ronson

Daniel Silva

Jack Bryan

John Brennan

Brad Thor

OwlTail

SummaryLoch Johnson (Website, LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss covert action aka “The Third Option.” He is the author of over 30 books on intelligence.What You’ll LearnIntelligence What is covert action Four types of covert action Foreign policy options: “War Power,” “Treaty Power,” and “Spy Power.”  Examples of CA: Guatemala (1954), Indochina (1965), Afghanistan (2001), Iran (2020) Reflections Accountability The value of learning from past mistakes  And much, much more …Episode NotesThere is perhaps no better guest to join Andrew in this week’s exploration of covert action than Professor Emeritus at the University of Georgia Loch Johnson. Loch’s latest book, The Third Option: Covert Action and American Foreign Policy, examines the history of the complicated and sometimes controversial usage of covert action by the U.S. international affairs. Loch’s decades-long career in foreign policy and intelligence has brought him to the forefront of some of the most seminal moments within US intelligence reform: he served as special assistant to the chair of the Church Committee, staff director of the House Subcommittee on Intelligence Oversight, and worked directly with the chair of the Aspin-Brown Commission.In this two-part episode of SpyCast, Andrew and Loch unpack what makes a covert action operation successful, and how we can learn from intelligence failures and past mistakes. And… How many people have a society named after them? Loch does! Quote of the Week"History doesn't like to be shaped, it has a power all of its own, but we try to shape it at least at the margins, and we do that through covert action, sometimes called the third option…and it really comes in four packages. Package number one is propaganda… And then comes political covert actions…Thirdly is economic covert action…And then fourthly, and most dramatically, are paramilitary operations. These are war-like activities." – Loch Johnson.Resources SURFACE SKIM *Featured Resource*  The Third Option, L. Johnson (Oxford, 2022) *Beginner Resources*  Covert Action, E. Rosenbach &amp; A. Peritz, Belfer Center (2009) [Background Memo]  Looking back at the Church Committee, National Constitution Center (2019) [Blog Post]  The Iran-Contra Affair, B. Craig, The Miller Center (2017) [Article]   *SpyCasts*  The Spymaster’s Prism: CIA Legend Jack Devine (2021)  First Casualty: Inside the CIA Mission to Avenge 9/11 (2021)  Author Debriefing: The Art of Intelligence: Lessons from a Life in the CIA’s Clandestine Service (2012) DEEPER DIVEBooks  A Covert Action: Reagan, the CIA and Poland, S. Jones (W.W. Norton, 2018)  The Church Committee Confronts America's Spy Agencies, L. Johnson (UP of Kentucky, 2015)  The Brilliant Disaster: JFK, Castro, and the Bay of Pigs, J. Rasenberger (Scribner, 2012)  Executive Secrets: Covert Action and the Presidency, W. Daugherty (UP of Kentucky, 2006)  Covert Action, G. Treverton (1987) Articles The Disturbing Story Of The Heart Attack Gun Invented By The CIA During The Cold War, M. Dunn, All That’s Interesting (2022) Video  Iran-Contra: Reagan’s Scandal and the Unchecked Abuse of Presidential Power, US National Archives (2015)   ‘Covert Action’ By U.S. To Assist Ukraine Could Be In Play, MSNBC News (2022)  Primary Sources   Commission on the U.S. Intelligence Community (1994-1996)  Senate Select Committee with Respect to Intelligence Activities (1976) “Huge C.I.A. Operation Reported in U.S. against Antiwar Forces," S. Hersh, NYT (1974)  FBI Records: COINTELPRO (1956-1971) Note on U.S. Covert Actions *Wildcard Resource* A 90s cartoon, evil beings threaten humanity, only the Wild C.A.T.s can save them: i.e., Covert Action Teams! “Covert action” as a concept has become part of the entertainment industry 

<h3><strong>Summary</strong></h3><p>Loch Johnson (<a href="https://spia.uga.edu/faculty-member/loch-k-johnson/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Website</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/loch-johnson-9894906/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>) joins Andrew (<a href="https://twitter.com/spyhistorian" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a>; <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-hammond-09344936/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>) to discuss covert action aka “The Third Option.” He is the author of over 30 books on intelligence.</p><p><br/></p><h3><strong>What You’ll Learn</strong></h3><h3><strong>Intelligence</strong></h3><ul> <li>What is covert action</li> <li>Four types of covert action</li> <li>Foreign policy options: “War Power,” “Treaty Power,” and “Spy Power.” </li> <li>Examples of CA: Guatemala (1954), Indochina (1965), Afghanistan (2001), Iran (2020)</li> </ul><h3><strong>Reflections</strong></h3><ul> <li>Accountability</li> <li>The value of learning from past mistakes </li> </ul><h3><strong>And much, much more …</strong></h3><p><br/></p><h3><strong>Episode Notes</strong></h3><p>There is perhaps no better guest to join Andrew in this week’s exploration of covert action than Professor Emeritus at the University of Georgia Loch Johnson. Loch’s latest book, <a href="https://www.worldcat.org/title/1275431996" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><em>The Third Option: Covert Action and American Foreign Policy</em></a><em>, </em>examines the history of the complicated and sometimes controversial usage of covert action by the U.S. international affairs. </p><p>Loch’s decades-long career in foreign policy and intelligence has brought him to the forefront of some of the most seminal moments within US intelligence reform: he served as special assistant to the chair of the <a href="https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/investigations/church-committee.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Church Committee</a>, staff director of the House Subcommittee on Intelligence Oversight, and worked directly with the chair of the <a href="https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/GPO-INTELLIGENCE" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Aspin-Brown Commission</a>.</p><p>In this two-part episode of SpyCast, Andrew and Loch unpack what makes a covert action operation successful, and how we can learn from intelligence failures and past mistakes. </p><p><em>And… </em></p><p><strong>How many people have a society named after them? </strong><a href="https://www.lochjohnsonsociety.com/Editorial" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Loch does</a>! </p><p><br/></p><h3><strong>Quote of the Week</strong></h3><p><em>"History doesn't like to be shaped, it has a power all of its own, but we try to shape it at least at the margins, and we do that through covert action, sometimes called the third option…and it really comes in four packages. Package number one is propaganda… And then comes political covert actions…Thirdly is economic covert action…And then fourthly, and most dramatically, are paramilitary operations. These are war-like activities." – Loch Johnson.</em></p><h3><strong>Resources </strong></h3><h3><strong>SURFACE SKIM </strong></h3><h3><strong>*Featured Resource* </strong></h3><ul><li> <em>The Third Option</em>, L. Johnson (Oxford, 2022) </li></ul><h3><strong>*Beginner Resources*</strong></h3><ul> <li> <a href="https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/covert-action" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Covert Action</a>, E. Rosenbach &amp; A. Peritz, Belfer Center (2009) [Background Memo]</li> <li> <a href="https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/looking-back-at-the-church-committee" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Looking back at the Church Committee</a>, National Constitution Center (2019) [Blog Post]</li> <li> <a href="https://millercenter.org/issues-policy/foreign-policy/iran-contra-affair" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Iran-Contra Affair</a>, B. Craig, The Miller Center (2017) [Article]<strong> </strong> </li> </ul><h3><strong>*SpyCasts*</strong></h3><ul> <li> <a href="https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/484/notes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Spymaster’s Prism: CIA Legend Jack Devine</a> (2021)</li> <li> <a href="https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/507/notes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">First Casualty: Inside the CIA Mission to Avenge 9/11</a> (2021)</li> <li> <a href="https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/102/notes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Author Debriefing: The Art of Intelligence: Lessons from a Life in the CIA’s Clandestine Service</a> (2012)</li> </ul><p><br/></p><h3><strong>DEEPER DIVE</strong></h3><h3><strong>Books</strong></h3><ul> <li> <em>A Covert Action: Reagan, the CIA and Poland, </em>S. Jones (W.W. Norton, 2018)</li> <li> <em>The Church Committee Confronts America's Spy Agencies</em>, L. Johnson (UP of Kentucky, 2015)</li> <li> <em>The Brilliant Disaster: JFK, Castro, and the Bay of Pigs</em>, J. Rasenberger (Scribner, 2012)</li> <li> <em>Executive Secrets: Covert Action and the Presidency</em>, W. Daugherty (UP of Kentucky, 2006)</li> <li> <em>Covert Action</em>, G. Treverton (1987)</li> </ul><h3><strong>Articles</strong></h3><ul><li> <a href="https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Disturbing Story Of The Heart Attack Gun Invented By The CIA During The Cold War</a>, M. Dunn, <em>All That’s Interesting</em> (2022) </li></ul><h3><strong>Video</strong></h3><ul> <li> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUu8f9rBh_g" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Iran-Contra: Reagan’s Scandal and the Unchecked Abuse of Presidential Power,</a> <em>US National Archives</em> (2015) </li> <li> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRz4Y3wQM2I" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">‘Covert Action’ By U.S. To Assist Ukraine Could Be In Play,</a> MSNBC News (2022) </li> </ul><h3><strong>Primary Sources </strong></h3><ul> <li> <a href="https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/36064" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Commission on the U.S. Intelligence Community</a> (1994-1996)</li> <li> <a href="https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/investigations/church-committee.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Senate Select Committee with Respect to Intelligence Activities</a> (1976)</li> <li>“<a href="https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/huge-cia-operation-reported-us-against-antiwar-forces-seymour-hersh-new-york-times" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Huge C.I.A. Operation Reported in U.S. against Antiwar Forces,</a>" S. Hersh, <em>NYT </em>(1974)</li> <li> <a href="https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FBI Records: COINTELPRO</a> (1956-1971)</li> <li><a href="https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1977-80v18/notes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Note on U.S. Covert Actions</a></li> </ul><h3><strong>*Wildcard Resource*</strong></h3><ul> <li>A 90s cartoon, evil beings threaten humanity, only the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9IWbLg2U0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wild C.A.T.s</a> can save them: i.e., Covert Action Teams!</li> <li>“Covert action” as a concept has become part of the entertainment industry</li> </ul>

“The Third Option” – US Covert Action with Loch Johnson (Part 2 of 2)

<h3><strong>Summary</strong></h3><p>Loch Johnson (<a href="https://spia.uga.edu/faculty-member/loch-k-johnson/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Website</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/loch-johnson-9894906/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>) joins Andrew (<a href="https://twitter.com/spyhistorian" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a>; <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-hammond-09344936/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>) to discuss covert action aka “The Third Option.” He is the author of over 30 books on intelligence.</p><p><br/></p><h3><strong>What You’ll Learn</strong></h3><h3><strong>Intelligence</strong></h3><ul> <li>What is covert action</li> <li>Four types of covert action</li> <li>Foreign policy options: “War Power,” “Treaty Power,” and “Spy Power.” </li> <li>Examples of CA: Guatemala (1954), Indochina (1965), Afghanistan (2001), Iran (2020)</li> </ul><h3><strong>Reflections</strong></h3><ul> <li>Accountability</li> <li>The value of learning from past mistakes </li> </ul><h3><strong>And much, much more …</strong></h3><p><br/></p><h3><strong>Episode Notes</strong></h3><p>There is perhaps no better guest to join Andrew in this week’s exploration of covert action than Professor Emeritus at the University of Georgia Loch Johnson. Loch’s latest book, <a href="https://www.worldcat.org/title/1275431996" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><em>The Third Option: Covert Action and American Foreign Policy</em></a><em>, </em>examines the history of the complicated and sometimes controversial usage of covert action by the U.S. international affairs. </p><p>Loch’s decades-long career in foreign policy and intelligence has brought him to the forefront of some of the most seminal moments within US intelligence reform: he served as special assistant to the chair of the <a href="https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/investigations/church-committee.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Church Committee</a>, staff director of the House Subcommittee on Intelligence Oversight, and worked directly with the chair of the <a href="https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/GPO-INTELLIGENCE" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Aspin-Brown Commission</a>.</p><p>In this two-part episode of SpyCast, Andrew and Loch unpack what makes a covert action operation successful, and how we can learn from intelligence failures and past mistakes. </p><p><em>And… </em></p><p>How many people have a society named after them? <a href="https://www.lochjohnsonsociety.com/Editorial" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Loch does</a>! </p><p><br/></p><h3><strong>Quote of the Week</strong></h3><p><em>"History doesn't like to be shaped, it has a power all of its own, but we try to shape it at least at the margins, and we do that through covert action, sometimes called the third option…and it really comes in four packages. Package number one is propaganda… And then comes political covert actions…Thirdly is economic covert action…And then fourthly, and most dramatically, are paramilitary operations. These are war-like activities." – Loch Johnson.</em></p><h3><strong>Resources </strong></h3><h3><strong>SURFACE SKIM </strong></h3><h3><strong>*Featured Resource* </strong></h3><ul><li> <em>The Third Option</em>, L. Johnson (Oxford, 2022) </li></ul><h3><strong>*Beginner Resources*</strong></h3><ul> <li> <a href="https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/covert-action" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Covert Action</a>, E. Rosenbach &amp; A. Peritz, Belfer Center (2009) [Background Memo]</li> <li> <a href="https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/looking-back-at-the-church-committee" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Looking back at the Church Committee</a>, National Constitution Center (2019) [Blog Post]</li> <li> <a href="https://millercenter.org/issues-policy/foreign-policy/iran-contra-affair" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Iran-Contra Affair</a>, B. Craig, The Miller Center (2017) [Article]<strong> </strong> </li> </ul><h3><strong>*SpyCasts*</strong></h3><ul> <li> <a href="https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/484/notes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Spymaster’s Prism: CIA Legend Jack Devine</a> (2021)</li> <li> <a href="https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/507/notes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">First Casualty: Inside the CIA Mission to Avenge 9/11</a> (2021)</li> <li> <a href="https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/102/notes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Author Debriefing: The Art of Intelligence: Lessons from a Life in the CIA’s Clandestine Service</a> (2012)</li> </ul><p><br/></p><h3><strong>DEEPER DIVE</strong></h3><h3><strong>Books</strong></h3><ul> <li> <em>A Covert Action: Reagan, the CIA and Poland, </em>S. Jones (W.W. Norton, 2018)</li> <li> <em>The Church Committee Confronts America's Spy Agencies</em>, L. Johnson (UP of Kentucky, 2015)</li> <li> <em>The Brilliant Disaster: JFK, Castro, and the Bay of Pigs</em>, J. Rasenberger (Scribner, 2012)</li> <li> <em>Executive Secrets: Covert Action and the Presidency</em>, W. Daugherty (UP of Kentucky, 2006)</li> <li> <em>Covert Action</em>, G. Treverton (1987)</li> </ul><h3><strong>Articles</strong></h3><ul><li> <a href="https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Disturbing Story Of The Heart Attack Gun Invented By The CIA During The Cold War</a>, M. Dunn, <em>All That’s Interesting</em> (2022) </li></ul><h3><strong>Video</strong></h3><ul> <li> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUu8f9rBh_g" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Iran-Contra: Reagan’s Scandal and the Unchecked Abuse of Presidential Power,</a> <em>US National Archives</em> (2015) </li> <li> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRz4Y3wQM2I" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">‘Covert Action’ By U.S. To Assist Ukraine Could Be In Play,</a> MSNBC News (2022) </li> </ul><h3><strong>Primary Sources </strong></h3><ul> <li> <a href="https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/36064" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Commission on the U.S. Intelligence Community</a> (1994-1996)</li> <li> <a href="https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/investigations/church-committee.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Senate Select Committee with Respect to Intelligence Activities</a> (1976)</li> <li>“<a href="https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/huge-cia-operation-reported-us-against-antiwar-forces-seymour-hersh-new-york-times" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Huge C.I.A. Operation Reported in U.S. against Antiwar Forces,</a>" S. Hersh, <em>NYT </em>(1974)</li> <li> <a href="https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FBI Records: COINTELPRO</a> (1956-1971)</li> <li><a href="https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1977-80v18/notes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Note on U.S. Covert Actions</a></li> </ul><h3><strong>*Wildcard Resource*</strong></h3><ul> <li>A 90s cartoon, evil beings threaten humanity, only the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9IWbLg2U0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wild C.A.T.s</a> can save them: i.e., Covert Action Teams!</li> <li>“Covert action” as a concept has become part of the entertainment industry</li> </ul>

“The Third Option” – US Covert Action with Loch Johnson (Part 1 of 2)

SPY Historian Vince Houghton sat down with political scientist and professor Loch Johnson, whose decade-long career in and out of the intelligence world has culminated in a new book, Spy Watching: Intelligence Accountability in the United States.

<p>SPY Historian Vince Houghton sat down with political scientist and professor Loch Johnson, whose decade-long career in and out of the intelligence world has culminated in a new book, Spy Watching: Intelligence Accountability in the United States.</p>

Spy Watching: An Interview with Loch Johnson