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Balanced Family Law with Perpetua Kish

Jonathon Naef

In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing Perpetua Kish (Pepe) and Jonathon Naef (Jono) Co-founders of Balance Family Law. I’ve known Pepe and Jono for a few years now, and it’s been incredible watching them from afar as they have built and created their firm. This was recorded quite a while ago, so apologies to you both that this episode has taken me so long to publish! What really stood out for me in this chat was how Pepe and Jono have found themselves working in Family Law with such a similar vision, but with such different strengths and experiences. We don’t see many partnerships in newer law firms emerging, but Pepe and Jono truly embody the spirit of why and how these partnerships can come together and bring out the best in us. Their mutual vision, respect, and helping one another in realising their complimentary strengths is absolutely something we can all learn from – in life both inside and outside the law. In this interview, Pepe, Jono and I also chatted about-   If Jono was not a lawyer he envisions himself in the teaching space or as a Lego Master. If Pepe was not a lawyer, she would be a creator of any description – she is highly creative and originally pursued a career in acting. Pepe grew up in Canberra, but moved to Sydney after university and shares how acting led to  her to pursue a career in the law. The re-occurring correlation between creatives and the law. Jono grew up in Canberra and had the goal of joining the police force so he enrolled in Justice Studies as a way to kick-start his career. He decided to make the switch to law after a year of study, and has never looked back. Discussing how things fall into place – the tragedies and the wonderful things Pepe experienced in her journey to where she is now. The reflection on the life events that change our path but, if it were not for those events, we wouldn’t be where we are today. The pieces that make up the people. Pepe and Jono embracing the attitude of ‘Let’s just try it, and see how it goes.’ Family law and Estate Law, and the focus on problem-solving is the aspect of the work that Jono loves most. Pepe’s experience in being an associate to the Children’s Magistrate Court where casework captured her heart. After the emotional drain of working with children, Pepe made the switch to a Family Law firm where she met Jono in 2016. Identifying what you don’t like and moving toward what you do enjoy. Systems, processes and numbers are Jono’s strengths, complimented with Pepe’s passion for humanity and social work. Progression from working together in larger firms, and the decision to open Balance Family Law on the 1st of March 2019. The strong common purpose in the partnership between Pepe and Jono. Dealing with imposter syndrome and some of the challenges of starting a law firm. Some of the highlights and how to move forward in a practical way by sharing common goals. Winning awards and celebrating the wins each day. Traditionally Partnerships in law were common, however Pepe and Jono are no longer the norm. Their top tips for working together as a team and finding the right partner. Pepe’s Happiness Tip Jono’s Happiness Tip.  Sit back and enjoy this interview with Pepe and Jono from Balance Family Law. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre-  A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law.     Listen to last week’s episode here The post Episode 231 – The Pieces that Make Up the People with Perpetua Kish and Jonathon Naef appeared first on The Happy Family Lawyer.

In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing Perpetua Kish (Pepe) and Jonathon Naef (Jono) Co-founders of Balance Family Law. I’ve known Pepe and Jono for a few years now, and it’s been incredible watching them from afar as they have built and created their firm. This was recorded quite a while ago, so apologies to you both that this episode has taken me so long to publish! What really stood out for me in this chat was how Pepe and Jono have found themselves working in Family Law with such a similar vision, but with such different strengths and experiences. We don’t see many partnerships in newer law firms emerging, but Pepe and Jono truly embody the spirit of why and how these partnerships can come together and bring out the best in us. Their mutual vision, respect, and helping one another in realising their complimentary strengths is absolutely something we can all learn from – in life both inside and outside the law. In this interview, Pepe, Jono and I also chatted about- <ul> <li>If Jono was not a lawyer he envisions himself in the teaching space or as a Lego Master.</li> <li>If Pepe was not a lawyer, she would be a creator of any description – she is highly creative and originally pursued a career in acting.</li> <li>Pepe grew up in Canberra, but moved to Sydney after university and shares how acting led to  her to pursue a career in the law.</li> <li>The re-occurring correlation between creatives and the law.</li> <li>Jono grew up in Canberra and had the goal of joining the police force so he enrolled in Justice Studies as a way to kick-start his career.</li> <li>He decided to make the switch to law after a year of study, and has never looked back.</li> <li>Discussing how things fall into place – the tragedies and the wonderful things Pepe experienced in her journey to where she is now.</li> <li>The reflection on the life events that change our path but, if it were not for those events, we wouldn’t be where we are today.</li> <li>The pieces that make up the people.</li> <li>Pepe and Jono embracing the attitude of ‘Let’s just try it, and see how it goes.’</li> <li>Family law and Estate Law, and the focus on problem-solving is the aspect of the work that Jono loves most.</li> <li>Pepe’s experience in being an associate to the Children’s Magistrate Court where casework captured her heart.</li> <li>After the emotional drain of working with children, Pepe made the switch to a Family Law firm where she met Jono in 2016.</li> <li>Identifying what you don’t like and moving toward what you do enjoy.</li> <li>Systems, processes and numbers are Jono’s strengths, complimented with Pepe’s passion for humanity and social work.</li> <li>Progression from working together in larger firms, and the decision to open Balance Family Law on the 1st of March 2019.</li> <li>The strong common purpose in the partnership between Pepe and Jono.</li> <li>Dealing with imposter syndrome and some of the challenges of starting a law firm.</li> <li>Some of the highlights and how to move forward in a practical way by sharing common goals.</li> <li>Winning awards and celebrating the wins each day.</li> <li>Traditionally Partnerships in law were common, however Pepe and Jono are no longer the norm.</li> <li>Their top tips for working together as a team and finding the right partner.</li> <li>Pepe’s Happiness Tip</li> <li>Jono’s Happiness Tip.</li> </ul> Sit back and enjoy this interview with Pepe and Jono from Balance Family Law. *** <h4>Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre-  A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law.   </h4> <h4><a href="http://www.happylawyerhappylife.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a></h4> Listen to last week’s episode <a href="https://www.thehappyfamilylawyer.com/podcast/episode-230-rachael-bosnjak/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a> The post <a href="https://www.thehappyfamilylawyer.com/podcast/episode-231-perpetua-kish-and-jonathon-naef/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Episode 231 – The Pieces that Make Up the People with Perpetua Kish and Jonathon Naef</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.thehappyfamilylawyer.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Happy Family Lawyer</a>.

Episode 231 – The Pieces that Make Up the People with Perpetua Kish and Jonathon Naef

About 18 months ago, Perpetua Kish and her business partner Jono packed their bags and left a traditional law firm to start Balance Family Law, a firm that they call an ‘evolving micro-practice’. The lovely Pepe joins me today for a frank discussion about fixed fees, the benefits of starting a micro-practice and taking a collaborative approach to family law and how she managed to build a law firm that lets her be herself.  First things first, what is a micro-practice? Essentially, it’s a small and very lean practice in which overheads can be kept extremely low. When done right, it can come with a host of other benefits for lawyers and clients alike. I particularly loved how Pepe described it in the episode, so here’s a sneak peek:  “I think of us as scurrying little mice. We’re able to get in all the nooks and crannies and learn things that the bigger animals don’t pick up on.”    Very cool. Beyond that, having her own micro-practice affords Pepe the ability to do what she loves and to leave the rest firmly in the past. She sets strong boundaries with her clients and is clear on the fact that her firm is collaborative, non-litigious and seeks to conduct proceedings in an amicable way.    Pepe goes into fabulous detail about how she instigates and facilitates a positive separation by planting good seeds, managing client expectations and leaving the legalities and financial aspects till the end of the process.    “When I talk to a client, I always say ‘I will give you legal advice at some point. But do you want it now?’ and 99.9% of the time, the client says no. They have the foresight to say ‘I want to trust this process and I only want to hear that advice once you’ve heard from the other side too.’”   She also talks about her fixed fee journey, from under-pricing at the beginning and dealing with clients seeing ‘fixed fee’ as a massive discount sign to being 18 months in and about to launch a computer system that’ll do all the scoping at the click of a button.   About midway through the episode, you’ll find a very helpful tip for what to say to clients who try to take advantage of the fixed fee model – this will be an eye-opener for anyone who’s in the earlier stages of adopting fixed pricing or simply interested in what it can look like.  This episode is brought to you by Nexus Law Group and LawCPD.  About our guest  Pepe is the Director and Co-Founder of Balance Family Law.  Her goal is for kindness to be considered a strength and not a weakness in the practice of law.  She is committed to improving the way couples and families experience divorce and separation.  While the law offers legal solutions, most family law issues really need a human solution. Balance Family Lawyers strive to create solutions that consider both.  Pepe has practiced exclusively in family law since mid-2010. She is trained in conﬂict management coaching, advanced collaborative law and has obtained post-graduate qualiﬁcations in Human Services.  Find Pepe online: Balance Family Law, Instagram, Facebook Pepe Kish quotes  “When I talk to a client, I always say ‘I will give you legal advice at some point. But do you want it now?’ and 99.9% of the time, the client says no. They have the foresight to say ‘I want to trust this process and I only want to hear that advice once you’ve heard from the other side too.’” “Balance is the law firm I dreamt of working in when I worked in more traditional firms.” “[On being a micro-practice] I think of us as scurrying little mice. We’re able to get in all the nooks and crannies and learn things that the bigger animals don’t pick up on.” “If you’re yourself, nobody can copy that.”  My new book – It’s Time To Do Law Differently  My new book It’s Time to Do Law Differently: How to Reshape Your Firm and Regain Your Life is now available! You can get your signed copy here.  In It’s Time to Do Law Differently, I share my six-step blueprint for transforming your law firm. Learn how to move from a traditional practice to a productised ecosystem and as a bonus, you might just get that quality lifestyle that you’ve been craving.  If you haven’t got your copy yet, you can get a signed copy here or find the paper back and ebook on Amazon, Booktopia or your favourite online bookstore.  Thank you to Nexus Law Group   This episode is brought to you by Nexus Law Group. For those seeking positive career change, Nexus Law Group offers senior lawyers the freedom of sole practice with all the support and infrastructure you need so you can focus on what you do best – practising law. Contact Nexus to find out how you can take the next step towards a more rewarding legal career. Find out more on the Join Us page at nexuslawyers.com.au.  Your $25 discount from LawCPD  Are you a lawyer who needs CPD? I’ve teamed up with LawCPD to help make that task easier for you. LawCPD provide premium CPD for Australian lawyers and they offer much more than just another webinar. LawCPD‘s courses are online, on-demand interactive learning. LawCPD are offering Doing Law Differently listeners $25 off their first purchase using the code DLD25. There are over 100 courses across all competency areas. Visit lawcpd.com.au to find your next CPD course and make sure you use the DLD25 code for $25 off.  Like this show?  Learn more about Doing Law Differently in my new book, It’s Time to Do Law DifferentlyPlease leave me a rating and review on Apple Podcasts – even one sentence helps other people to find out about the show! Never miss an episode – subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts or SpotifyIf you’re doing law differently and want to share your insights on the podcast, get in touch here.Connect with me on LinkedIn The post Separation through the collaborative lens of an evolving micro-practice with Perpetua Kish, Balance Family Law (ep 77) appeared first on Lucy Dickens.

About 18 months ago, Perpetua Kish and her business partner Jono packed their bags and left a traditional law firm to start Balance Family Law, a firm that they call an ‘evolving micro-practice’. The lovely Pepe joins me today for a frank discussion about fixed fees, the benefits of starting a micro-practice and taking a collaborative approach to family law and how she managed to build a law firm that lets her be herself.  First things first, what is a micro-practice? Essentially, it’s a small and very lean practice in which overheads can be kept extremely low. When done right, it can come with a host of other benefits for lawyers and clients alike. I particularly loved how Pepe described it in the episode, so here’s a sneak peek:  “I think of us as scurrying little mice. We’re able to get in all the nooks and crannies and learn things that the bigger animals don’t pick up on.”   Very cool. Beyond that, having her own micro-practice affords Pepe the ability to do what she loves and to leave the rest firmly in the past. She sets strong boundaries with her clients and is clear on the fact that her firm is collaborative, non-litigious and seeks to conduct proceedings in an amicable way.   Pepe goes into fabulous detail about how she instigates and facilitates a positive separation by planting good seeds, managing client expectations and leaving the legalities and financial aspects till the end of the process.   “When I talk to a client, I always say ‘I will give you legal advice at some point. But do you want it now?’ and 99.9% of the time, the client says no. They have the foresight to say ‘I want to trust this process and I only want to hear that advice once you’ve heard from the other side too.’”  She also talks about her fixed fee journey, from under-pricing at the beginning and dealing with clients seeing ‘fixed fee’ as a massive discount sign to being 18 months in and about to launch a computer system that’ll do all the scoping at the click of a button.   About midway through the episode, you’ll find a very helpful tip for what to say to clients who try to take advantage of the fixed fee model – this will be an eye-opener for anyone who’s in the earlier stages of adopting fixed pricing or simply interested in what it can look like.  This episode is brought to you by <a href="http://www.nexuslawyers.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Nexus Law Group</a> and <a href="http://www.lawcpd.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">LawCPD</a>.  <h2>About our guest </h2> Pepe is the Director and Co-Founder of Balance Family Law.  Her goal is for kindness to be considered a strength and not a weakness in the practice of law.  She is committed to improving the way couples and families experience divorce and separation.  While the law offers legal solutions, most family law issues really need a human solution. Balance Family Lawyers strive to create solutions that consider both.  Pepe has practiced exclusively in family law since mid-2010. She is trained in conﬂict management coaching, advanced collaborative law and has obtained post-graduate qualiﬁcations in Human Services.  Find Pepe online: <a href="http://www.balancefamilylaw.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Balance Family Law</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/balance_family_law/?hl=en" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/balancefamilylaw/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a> <h3>Pepe Kish quotes </h3> <ul><li>“When I talk to a client, I always say ‘I will give you legal advice at some point. But do you want it now?’ and 99.9% of the time, the client says no. They have the foresight to say ‘I want to trust this process and I only want to hear that advice once you’ve heard from the other side too.’” </li><li>“Balance is the law firm I dreamt of working in when I worked in more traditional firms.” </li><li>“[On being a micro-practice] I think of us as scurrying little mice. We’re able to get in all the nooks and crannies and learn things that the bigger animals don’t pick up on.” </li><li>“If you’re yourself, nobody can copy that.” </li></ul> <h2>My new book – It’s Time To Do Law Differently </h2> My new book It’s Time to Do Law Differently: How to Reshape Your Firm and Regain Your Life is now available! You can <a href="https://www.lucydickens.com.au/book" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">get your signed copy here</a>. In <a href="https://www.lucydickens.com.au/book" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">It’s Time to Do Law Differently</a>, I share my six-step blueprint for transforming your law firm. Learn how to move from a traditional practice to a productised ecosystem and as a bonus, you might just get that quality lifestyle that you’ve been craving.  If you haven’t got your copy yet, you can get <a href="https://www.lucydickens.com.au/book" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">a signed copy here</a> or find the paper back and ebook on <a href="https://www.amazon.com.au/Its-Time-Do-Law-Differently-ebook/dp/B08LX5XPFB/ref=zg_bs_4898896051_5?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=E030H7WMRQFE5WRYMXS0" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Amazon</a>, <a href="https://www.booktopia.com.au/it-s-time-to-do-law-differently-lucy-dickens/book/9781922391612.html" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Booktopia </a>or your favourite online bookstore.  <h2>Thank you to Nexus Law Group  </h2> This episode is brought to you by <a href="http://www.nexuslawyers.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Nexus Law Group</a>. For those seeking positive career change, <a href="http://www.nexuslawyers.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Nexus Law Group</a> offers senior lawyers the freedom of sole practice with all the support and infrastructure you need so you can focus on what you do best – practising law. Contact Nexus to find out how you can take the next step towards a more rewarding legal career. Find out more on the <a href="https://nexuslawyers.com.au/join-us/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Join Us</a> page at <a href="http://www.nexuslawyers.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">nexuslawyers.com.au</a>.  <h2>Your $25 discount from LawCPD </h2> Are you a lawyer who needs CPD? I’ve teamed up with <a href="http://www.lawcpd.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">LawCPD</a> to help make that task easier for you. <a href="http://www.lawcpd.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">LawCPD</a> provide premium CPD for Australian lawyers and they offer much more than just another webinar. <a href="http://www.lawcpd.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">LawCPD</a>‘s courses are online, on-demand interactive learning. <a href="http://www.lawcpd.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">LawCPD</a> are offering Doing Law Differently listeners $25 off their first purchase using the code DLD25. There are over 100 courses across all competency areas. Visit <a href="http://www.lawcpd.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">lawcpd.com.au</a> to find your next CPD course and make sure you use the DLD25 code for $25 off.  <h2>Like this show? </h2> <ul><li>Learn more about Doing Law Differently in my new book, <a href="http://www.lucydickens.com.au/book" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">It’s Time to Do Law Differently</a></li><li>Please leave me a rating and review on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/doing-law-differently/id1472993329?ign-mpt=uo%3D4" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> – even one sentence helps other people to find out about the show! </li><li>Never miss an episode – subscribe on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/doing-law-differently/id1472993329?ign-mpt=uo%3D4" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubHVjeWRpY2tlbnMuY29tLmF1L2NhdGVnb3J5L2RvaW5nLWxhdy1kaWZmZXJlbnRseS9mZWVkLw%3D%3D" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6CkLElXhiU4YeImdh3TnIq" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li>If you’re doing law differently and want to share your insights on the podcast, <a href="https://www.lucydickens.com.au/doing-law-differently/guest-application/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">get in touch here.</a></li><li>Connect with me on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucy-dickens/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li></ul> The post <a href="https://www.lucydickens.com.au/separation-through-the-collaborative-lens-of-an-evolving-micro-practice-with-perpetua-kish-balance-family-law-ep-77/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Separation through the collaborative lens of an evolving micro-practice with Perpetua Kish, Balance Family Law (ep 77)</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.lucydickens.com.au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lucy Dickens</a>.

Separation through the collaborative lens of an evolving micro-practice with Perpetua Kish, Balance Family Law (ep 77)