Katy Barnett's guest appearances

Katy Barnett

Two for Tea Podcast

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Jordan Peterson

Steven Pinker

Ben Shapiro

Bridget Phetasy

Jonathan Haidt

Greg Lukianoff

David Ley

Colin Wright

Buster Benson

Nicholas Christakis

Amy Alkon

Ali Rizvi

Richard Dawkins

Andrew Doyle

Melissa Chen

OwlTail

Permission to Think is a collaboration with the University of Technology, Sydney, where we debate the vigour, rigour and freedom of the academy. Today, the Melbourne University Law Professor Dr Katy Barnett sticks her neck out to argue against activist academics. To subscribe to Josh’s premium podcast feed. Hit the Substack page at https://uncomfortableconversations.substack.com/subscribe

Permission to Think is a collaboration with the University of Technology, Sydney, where we debate the vigour, rigour and freedom of the academy. Today, the Melbourne University Law Professor Dr Katy Barnett sticks her neck out to argue against activist academics. To subscribe to Josh’s premium podcast feed. Hit the Substack page at <a href="https://uncomfortableconversations.substack.com/subscribe" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://uncomfortableconversations.substack.com/subscribe</a>

"The University Echo Chamber" with Katy Barnett

Jeremy Gans

GeneralBuy Katy and Jeremy’s book ‘Guilty Pigs: The Weird and Wonderful History of Animal Law’: https://www.amazon.com/Guilty-Pigs-Wonderful-History-Animal-ebook/dp/B09CGQDNGD Katy’s academic webpage: https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/katy-barnett Follow Katy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrKatyBarnett Jeremy’s academic webpage: https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/jeremy-gans Follow Jeremy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremy_gans Opinions on High, a legal blog that both Kate and Jeremy contribute to: https://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/opinionsonhigh/ ReferencesKaty’s Areo article ‘Perverse Incentives in Academic Publishing’:https://areomagazine.com/2021/06/23/perverse-incentives-in-academic-publishing/ Timestamps00.00 Opening and introductions (with a diversion on Katy’s “adventures in walking”).5:24 Katy reads a passage from her and Jeremy’s book ‘Guilty Pigs: The Weird and Wonderful History of Animal Law’.7:10 Jeremy reads a passage from ‘Guilty Pigs’.9:46 How did Katy and Jeremy come to work together on this book and what initially sparked their interest in the subject? 13:21 How has the status of animals in law changed over time and in space and what does this tell us about our attitude to animals? 22:51 The Isbester dog case.27:59 The ethical and legal issues raised by the Isbester case. Plus: other cases involving dogs.35:08 Comparison of these cases with the Daniel Brighton case and discussion of the ethical/legal issues thrown up by it.44:07 The 19th-century British case involving cattle that influenced the modern legal understanding of ‘animal cruelty’. Iona reads relevant parts of ‘Guilty Pigs’; discussion ensues.48:50 The strange legal history of swans, queens, and nobles (and sturgeons).53:07 On the legal eccentricties of bee-owning. Plus: Iona tells the Argentinian tomcat’s tale; and other troublesome felines.1:01:14 Project Acoustic Kitty.1:03:45 Crimesolving parrots?1:06:13 Why you should never, ever pat a zebra.1:07:35 The Toronto Ikea monkey.1:11:20 The photographer octopus, the posing macaque and Happy the elephant.1:19:43 How do Katy and Jeremy see animal law developing in the future and are there legal provisions that aren’t in place that they think should be (or provisions in place that should be abolished or altered)?1:25:28 Closing words and outro.

General Buy Katy and Jeremy’s book ‘Guilty Pigs: The Weird and Wonderful History of Animal Law’: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Guilty-Pigs-Wonderful-History-Animal-ebook/dp/B09CGQDNGD" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Guilty-Pigs-Wonderful-History-Animal-ebook/dp/B09CGQDNGD</a> Katy’s academic webpage: <a href="https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/katy-barnett" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/katy-barnett</a> Follow Katy on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/DrKatyBarnett" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/DrKatyBarnett</a> Jeremy’s academic webpage: <a href="https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/jeremy-gans" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/jeremy-gans</a> Follow Jeremy on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremy_gans" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/jeremy_gans</a> Opinions on High, a legal blog that both Kate and Jeremy contribute to: <a href="https://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/opinionsonhigh/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/opinionsonhigh/</a> References Katy’s Areo article ‘Perverse Incentives in Academic Publishing’: <a href="https://areomagazine.com/2021/06/23/perverse-incentives-in-academic-publishing/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://areomagazine.com/2021/06/23/perverse-incentives-in-academic-publishing/</a> Timestamps 00.00 Opening and introductions (with a diversion on Katy’s “adventures in walking”). 5:24 Katy reads a passage from her and Jeremy’s book ‘Guilty Pigs: The Weird and Wonderful History of Animal Law’. 7:10 Jeremy reads a passage from ‘Guilty Pigs’. 9:46 How did Katy and Jeremy come to work together on this book and what initially sparked their interest in the subject? 13:21 How has the status of animals in law changed over time and in space and what does this tell us about our attitude to animals? 22:51 The Isbester dog case. 27:59 The ethical and legal issues raised by the Isbester case. Plus: other cases involving dogs. 35:08 Comparison of these cases with the Daniel Brighton case and discussion of the ethical/legal issues thrown up by it. 44:07 The 19th-century British case involving cattle that influenced the modern legal understanding of ‘animal cruelty’. Iona reads relevant parts of ‘Guilty Pigs’; discussion ensues. 48:50 The strange legal history of swans, queens, and nobles (and sturgeons). 53:07 On the legal eccentricties of bee-owning. Plus: Iona tells the Argentinian tomcat’s tale; and other troublesome felines. 1:01:14 Project Acoustic Kitty. 1:03:45 Crimesolving parrots? 1:06:13 Why you should never, ever pat a zebra. 1:07:35 The Toronto Ikea monkey. 1:11:20 The photographer octopus, the posing macaque and Happy the elephant. 1:19:43 How do Katy and Jeremy see animal law developing in the future and are there legal provisions that aren’t in place that they think should be (or provisions in place that should be abolished or altered)? 1:25:28 Closing words and outro.

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