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Angela Harms

In this episode I talk with Angela Harms and Jason Felice about avi.  We talk about the motivation of a vi implementation written in Clojure, the road map of where avi might used, and expressivity of code. Our Guests, Angela Harms and Jason Felice maitria Angela Harms: @angelaharms on Twitter and angela.harms@gmail.com Jason Felice: @eraserhd on Twitter and jason.m.felice@gmail.com avi on Github Topics Angela’s guest appearance on RubyRogues podcast Vim How Jason and Angela got into Clojure http://maitria.com/ avi Podcast with creator of VsVim Why pick Clojure to write avi in Greenspun’s Tenth rule but for vi plugins Midje Where the vision of avi is going Do not defeat a Vimmer’s muscle memory How Immutable state is helping cocos2d What might make a MVP for avi Midje and testing framework style Expressivity of the avi’s tests The example tests on github Angela and Jason’s obsessiveness on expressivity and Clojure’s impact on it 4clojure.com Issues and discussion about avi on github are much appreciated A giant Thank You to David Belcher for the logo design.

In this episode I talk with Angela Harms and Jason Felice about avi. We talk about the motivation of a vi implementation written in Clojure, the road map of where avi might used, and expressivity of code. <h2>Our Guests, Angela Harms and Jason Felice</h2> <a href="http://maitria.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">maitria</a> Angela Harms: <a href="https://twitter.com/angelaharms" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">@angelaharms on Twitter</a> and <a href="mailto:angela.harms@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">angela.harms@gmail.com</a> Jason Felice: <a href="https://twitter.com/eraserhd" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">@eraserhd on Twitter</a> and <a href="mailto:jason.m.felice@gmail.com">jason.m.felice@gmail.com</a> <a href="https://github.com/maitria/avi/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">avi on Github</a> <h3>Topics</h3> <a href="http://rubyrogues.com/049-rr-agile-communication-with-angela-harms/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Angela’s guest appearance on RubyRogues podcast</a> <a href="http://www.vim.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Vim</a> How Jason and Angela got into Clojure <a href="http://maitria.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">http://maitria.com/</a> <a href="https://github.com/maitria/avi" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">avi</a> <a href="http://hanselminutes.com/364/vsvim-visual-studio-and-vim-with-jared-parsons" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Podcast with creator of VsVim</a> Why pick Clojure to write avi in <a href="http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000tgU" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Greenspun’s Tenth rule</a> but for vi plugins <a href="https://github.com/marick/Midje/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Midje</a> Where the vision of avi is going Do not defeat a Vimmer’s muscle memory How Immutable state is helping <a href="http://cocos2d.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">cocos2d</a> What might make a MVP for avi Midje and testing framework style Expressivity of the avi’s tests <a href="https://github.com/maitria/avi/blob/5327729f8656341457a5c69d22d1d68e0b3cdbd4/test/avi/core_test.clj#L55" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">The example tests on github</a> Angela and Jason’s obsessiveness on expressivity and Clojure’s impact on it <a href="http://www.4clojure.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">4clojure.com</a> Issues and discussion about avi on github are much appreciated A giant Thank You to <a href="https://twitter.com/davidjbelcher" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">David Belcher</a> for the logo design.

Episode 7 - Angela Harms and Jason Felice on avi

PanelJason Felice (twitter github blog Maitria) Pete Hodgson (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:08 - Jason Felice Introduction 02:03 - “Expressive Code” 04:35 - iOS Programming in Vimibtool Xcode 06:39 - Why Vim?Muscle Memory The Tool Chain Polar Puzzles 11:30 - Build Processxctool 12:23 - TestingKiwi The Objective Vimmer 16:50 - Vim TacticsCode Completion clang_complete Omnicomplete 21:06 - Navigation 23:11 - AppCode 25:22 - Toolchain WishlistScheme Lisp Clojure RubyMotion 31:51 - Building and Installing VimPicksNo Mouse Fridays! (Pete) AppCode (Pete) Practical Vim: Edit Text at the Speed of Thought by Drew Neil (Pete) VimCasts (Pete) vimium (Pete) VimGolf (Chuck) Emacs (Chuck) Jason Felice: Getting Started with iOS Development With Vim (Jason) lambdanative (Jason) Nathan Sorenson: Clojure to Native via Scheme (Jason) Next Week Scalable Cloud Apps with Aaron Douglas Transcript PETE: My boy is teething at the moment, and we got up today at 5 o’clock in the morning. That’s nice.CHUCK: [Laughs]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 20 of iPhreaks! This week on our panel, we have Pete Hodgson.PETE: Good morning from San Francisco!CHUCK: I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. We have a special guest, and that’s Jason…is it Felice?JASON: Yeah, it’s Felice, that’s right. Hello from Detroit this time!CHUCK: I do that just to make Pete laugh.PETE: [Laughs] Yeah, it makes me laugh, I freaked out. [Laughs] Oh, I was going to say like you did the episode number, and I was like thinking, “Should I remind him? Because I don’t remind him, I’d keep him say anything.” [Laughs]CHUCK: No, I was seriously actually thinking, “I should ask Jason just to make sure I know how to say his last name,” and I was like, “Nope! I’m going to do this just for Pete.”JASON: [Laughs]PETE: Oh, man. Well, I’m touched. Thank you very much.CHUCK: So Jason, since you’re new to the show, do you want to introduce yourself really quickly?JASON: Sure! That’s probably the hardest question. I have been doing mobile development for, I don’t know, it’s like 3 years or something like that, but it really depends on what you count. I’ve done some of embedded development before that, and some dust wholesome stuff back in the day, something like ’90 something. And mostly, I’ve been on the next person, which is why I found first to home with iPhone stuff, and I’ve done some Android.I think the bigger focus that I have is on creating expressive beautiful code and helping people to do that because I think a lot of people just haven’t been exposed to really expressive code especially when we’re talking mobile environment.PETE: What do you mean by expressive code? This is a good sidebar conversation we can talk about. I’m interested particularly in expressive code in Objective C [laughs]. It’s an interesting language for that kind of stuff I think.JASON: It is, yes. And that brings up an interesting question, which is like ‘how much of the language you have to know before code is expressive?’ Because everybody that I have actually worked with are brought into Objective C into them, like for first couple of weeks, group of programmers who weren’t familiar with it. Like my first 2 weeks, they’re just like, “I don’t even see code. It just looks like ASCII. I’m not even sure what’s going on either.”CHUCK: [Laughs]JASON: That’s the response that I’ve got. And it’s interesting because after a week or 2, they’re like, “Oh, okay! Got it!” I think it has to do with the [unclear] versus the indentation, the way that it uses it being different from most of the languages.PETE: Yeah.JASON: But I’ve seen Kiwi who makes nice expressive tests for the most part that’s sort of the DSL approach.

Panel<code>Jason Felice (twitter github blog Maitria) Pete Hodgson (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) </code>Discussion 01:08 - Jason Felice Introduction 02:03 - “Expressive Code” 04:35 - iOS Programming in Vim<code>ibtool Xcode </code>06:39 - Why Vim?<code>Muscle Memory The Tool Chain Polar Puzzles </code>11:30 - Build Process<code>xctool </code>12:23 - Testing<code>Kiwi The Objective Vimmer </code>16:50 - Vim Tactics<code>Code Completion clang_complete Omnicomplete </code>21:06 - Navigation 23:11 - AppCode 25:22 - Toolchain Wishlist<code>Scheme Lisp Clojure RubyMotion </code>31:51 - Building and Installing VimPicks<code>No Mouse Fridays! (Pete) AppCode (Pete) Practical Vim: Edit Text at the Speed of Thought by Drew Neil (Pete) VimCasts (Pete) vimium (Pete) VimGolf (Chuck) Emacs (Chuck) Jason Felice: Getting Started with iOS Development With Vim (Jason) lambdanative (Jason) Nathan Sorenson: Clojure to Native via Scheme (Jason) </code>Next Week Scalable Cloud Apps with Aaron Douglas Transcript PETE: My boy is teething at the moment, and we got up today at 5 o’clock in the morning. That’s nice.CHUCK: [Laughs]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 20 of iPhreaks! This week on our panel, we have Pete Hodgson.PETE: Good morning from San Francisco!CHUCK: I’m Charles Max Wood from <a href="http://DevChat.tv" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">DevChat.tv</a>. We have a special guest, and that’s Jason…is it Felice?JASON: Yeah, it’s Felice, that’s right. Hello from Detroit this time!CHUCK: I do that just to make Pete laugh.PETE: [Laughs] Yeah, it makes me laugh, I freaked out. [Laughs] Oh, I was going to say like you did the episode number, and I was like thinking, “Should I remind him? Because I don’t remind him, I’d keep him say anything.” [Laughs]CHUCK: No, I was seriously actually thinking, “I should ask Jason just to make sure I know how to say his last name,” and I was like, “Nope! I’m going to do this just for Pete.”JASON: [Laughs]PETE: Oh, man. Well, I’m touched. Thank you very much.CHUCK: So Jason, since you’re new to the show, do you want to introduce yourself really quickly?JASON: Sure! That’s probably the hardest question. I have been doing mobile development for, I don’t know, it’s like 3 years or something like that, but it really depends on what you count. I’ve done some of embedded development before that, and some dust wholesome stuff back in the day, something like ’90 something. And mostly, I’ve been on the next person, which is why I found first to home with iPhone stuff, and I’ve done some Android.I think the bigger focus that I have is on creating expressive beautiful code and helping people to do that because I think a lot of people just haven’t been exposed to really expressive code especially when we’re talking mobile environment.PETE: What do you mean by expressive code? This is a good sidebar conversation we can talk about. I’m interested particularly in expressive code in Objective C [laughs]. It’s an interesting language for that kind of stuff I think.JASON: It is, yes. And that brings up an interesting question, which is like ‘how much of the language you have to know before code is expressive?’ Because everybody that I have actually worked with are brought into Objective C into them, like for first couple of weeks, group of programmers who weren’t familiar with it. Like my first 2 weeks, they’re just like, “I don’t even see code. It just looks like ASCII. I’m not even sure what’s going on either.”CHUCK: [Laughs]JASON: That’s the response that I’ve got. And it’s interesting because after a week or 2, they’re like, “Oh, okay! Got it!” I think it has to do with the [unclear] versus the indentation, the way that it uses it being different from most of the languages.PETE: Yeah.JASON: But I’ve seen Kiwi who makes nice expressive tests for the most part that’s sort of the DSL approach.

020 iPhreaks Show – Vim with Jason Felice

Panel	Jason Felice (twitter github blog Maitria)	Pete Hodgson (twitter github blog)	Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up)Discussion01:08 - Jason Felice Introduction02:03 - “Expressive Code”04:35 - iOS Programming in Vimibtool	Xcode06:39 - Why Vim?Muscle Memory	The Tool Chain	Polar Puzzles11:30 - Build Processxctool12:23 - TestingKiwi	The Objective Vimmer16:50 - Vim TacticsCode Completion	clang_complete	Omnicomplete21:06 - Navigation23:11 - AppCode25:22 - Toolchain WishlistScheme	Lisp	Clojure	RubyMotion31:51 - Building and Installing VimPicks	No Mouse Fridays! (Pete)	AppCode (Pete)	Practical Vim: Edit Text at the Speed of Thought by Drew Neil (Pete)	VimCasts (Pete)	vimium (Pete)	VimGolf (Chuck)	Emacs (Chuck)	Jason Felice: Getting Started with iOS Development With Vim (Jason)	lambdanative (Jason)	Nathan Sorenson: Clojure to Native via Scheme (Jason)Next WeekScalable Cloud Apps with Aaron DouglasTranscriptPETE: My boy is teething at the moment, and we got up today at 5 o’clock in the morning. That’s nice.CHUCK: [Laughs]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 20 of iPhreaks! This week on our panel, we have Pete Hodgson.PETE: Good morning from San Francisco!CHUCK: I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. We have a special guest, and that’s Jason…is it Felice?JASON: Yeah, it’s Felice, that’s right. Hello from Detroit this time!CHUCK: I do that just to make Pete laugh.PETE: [Laughs] Yeah, it makes me laugh, I freaked out. [Laughs] Oh, I was going to say like you did the episode number, and I was like thinking, “Should I remind him? Because I don’t remind him, I’d keep him say anything.” [Laughs]CHUCK: No, I was seriously actually thinking, “I should ask Jason just to make sure I know how to say his last name,” and I was like, “Nope! I’m going to do this just for Pete.”JASON: [Laughs]PETE: Oh, man. Well, I’m touched. Thank you very much.CHUCK: So Jason, since you’re new to the show, do you want to introduce yourself really quickly?JASON: Sure! That’s probably the hardest question. I have been doing mobile development for, I don’t know, it’s like 3 years or something like that, but it really depends on what you count. I’ve done some of embedded development before that, and some dust wholesome stuff back in the day, something like ’90 something. And mostly, I’ve been on the next person, which is why I found first to home with iPhone stuff, and I’ve done some Android.I think the bigger focus that I have is on creating expressive beautiful code and helping people to do that because I think a lot of people just haven’t been exposed to really expressive code especially when we’re talking mobile environment.PETE: What do you mean by expressive code? This is a good sidebar conversation we can talk about. I’m interested particularly in expressive code in Objective C [laughs]. It’s an interesting language for that kind of stuff I think.JASON: It is, yes. And that brings up an interesting question, which is like ‘how much of the language you have to know before code is expressive?’ Because everybody that I have actually worked with are brought into Objective C into them, like for first couple of weeks, group of programmers who weren’t familiar with it. Like my first 2 weeks, they’re just like, “I don’t even see code. It just looks like ASCII. I’m not even sure what’s going on either.”CHUCK: [Laughs]JASON: That’s the response that I’ve got. And it’s interesting because after a week or 2, they’re like, “Oh, okay! Got it!” I think it has to do with the [unclear] versus the indentation, the way that it uses it being different from most of the languages.PETE: Yeah.JASON: But I’ve seen Kiwi who makes nice expressive tests for the most part that’s sort of the DSL approach.

Panel 	Jason Felice (twitter github blog Maitria) 	Pete Hodgson (twitter github blog) 	Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:08 - Jason Felice Introduction 02:03 - “Expressive Code” 04:35 - iOS Programming in Vim ibtool 	Xcode 06:39 - Why Vim? Muscle Memory 	The Tool Chain 	Polar Puzzles 11:30 - Build Process xctool 12:23 - Testing Kiwi 	The Objective Vimmer 16:50 - Vim Tactics Code Completion 	clang_complete 	Omnicomplete 21:06 - Navigation 23:11 - AppCode 25:22 - Toolchain Wishlist Scheme 	Lisp 	Clojure 	RubyMotion 31:51 - Building and Installing Vim Picks 	No Mouse Fridays! (Pete) 	AppCode (Pete) 	Practical Vim: Edit Text at the Speed of Thought by Drew Neil (Pete) 	VimCasts (Pete) 	vimium (Pete) 	VimGolf (Chuck) 	Emacs (Chuck) 	Jason Felice: Getting Started with iOS Development With Vim (Jason) 	lambdanative (Jason) 	Nathan Sorenson: Clojure to Native via Scheme (Jason) Next Week Scalable Cloud Apps with Aaron Douglas Transcript PETE: My boy is teething at the moment, and we got up today at 5 o’clock in the morning. That’s nice. CHUCK: [Laughs] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 20 of iPhreaks! This week on our panel, we have Pete Hodgson. PETE: Good morning from San Francisco! CHUCK: I’m Charles Max Wood from <a href="http://DevChat.tv" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">DevChat.tv</a>. We have a special guest, and that’s Jason…is it Felice? JASON: Yeah, it’s Felice, that’s right. Hello from Detroit this time! CHUCK: I do that just to make Pete laugh. PETE: [Laughs] Yeah, it makes me laugh, I freaked out. [Laughs] Oh, I was going to say like you did the episode number, and I was like thinking, “Should I remind him? Because I don’t remind him, I’d keep him say anything.” [Laughs] CHUCK: No, I was seriously actually thinking, “I should ask Jason just to make sure I know how to say his last name,” and I was like, “Nope! I’m going to do this just for Pete.” JASON: [Laughs] PETE: Oh, man. Well, I’m touched. Thank you very much. CHUCK: So Jason, since you’re new to the show, do you want to introduce yourself really quickly? JASON: Sure! That’s probably the hardest question. I have been doing mobile development for, I don’t know, it’s like 3 years or something like that, but it really depends on what you count. I’ve done some of embedded development before that, and some dust wholesome stuff back in the day, something like ’90 something. And mostly, I’ve been on the next person, which is why I found first to home with iPhone stuff, and I’ve done some Android. I think the bigger focus that I have is on creating expressive beautiful code and helping people to do that because I think a lot of people just haven’t been exposed to really expressive code especially when we’re talking mobile environment. PETE: What do you mean by expressive code? This is a good sidebar conversation we can talk about. I’m interested particularly in expressive code in Objective C [laughs]. It’s an interesting language for that kind of stuff I think. JASON: It is, yes. And that brings up an interesting question, which is like ‘how much of the language you have to know before code is expressive?’ Because everybody that I have actually worked with are brought into Objective C into them, like for first couple of weeks, group of programmers who weren’t familiar with it. Like my first 2 weeks, they’re just like, “I don’t even see code. It just looks like ASCII. I’m not even sure what’s going on either.” CHUCK: [Laughs] JASON: That’s the response that I’ve got. And it’s interesting because after a week or 2, they’re like, “Oh, okay! Got it!” I think it has to do with the [unclear] versus the indentation, the way that it uses it being different from most of the languages. PETE: Yeah. JASON: But I’ve seen Kiwi who makes nice expressive tests for the most part that’s sort of the DSL approach.