Chloe Lieberman's guest appearances

Chloe Lieberman

The Urban Farm Podcast with Greg Peterson

GREEN Organic Garden Podcast

Mary Reynolds

Robin Kelson

Bill Sadler

Josh Volk

Lisa Steele

Michael Judd

Eddy Badrina

Steve Szudera

Greg Peterson

Niki Jabbour

Megan Cain

Ira Wallace

Andrew Mefferd

Ryan Agrey

Matt Arthur

OwlTail

Chloe Lieberman on farming corn and other small-scale staple crops.In This Podcast: When one thinks of staple crops, what usually comes to mind is corn, wheat, and soybeans, yet Chloe Lieberman has worked with community farms around the world and discovered that there is an abundance of underutilized, calorie-dense types of crops. Listen in to learn about the value of staple crops, the processes of growing corn and wheat, and even learn how to make tortillas as Chloe shares the varieties of ancient grain corn that make the best tortillas.Chloe homesteads near Asheville, NC. She also writes and teaches for Wild Abundance, a school of permaculture, natural building, and homesteading that’s just down the road from Chloe’s farm. She and her partner raise dairy goats, ducks, a milk cow, vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, and herbs. One of Chloe’s great loves is growing staple crops: the kinds of plants that can be center stage during a meal. Along with growing food, Chloe is passionate about cooking and nutrition. Visit https://www.urbanfarm.org/2020/08/11/551-chloe-lieberman/ for the show notes on this episode, and access to our full podcast library!Chloe Lieberman on Growing Calorie Crops.

Chloe Lieberman on farming corn and other small-scale staple crops.In This Podcast: When one thinks of staple crops, what usually comes to mind is corn, wheat, and soybeans, yet Chloe Lieberman has worked with community farms around the world and discovered that there is an abundance of underutilized, calorie-dense types of crops. Listen in to learn about the value of staple crops, the processes of growing corn and wheat, and even learn how to make tortillas as Chloe shares the varieties of ancient grain corn that make the best tortillas.Chloe homesteads near Asheville, NC. She also writes and teaches for Wild Abundance, a school of permaculture, natural building, and homesteading that’s just down the road from Chloe’s farm. She and her partner raise dairy goats, ducks, a milk cow, vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, and herbs. One of Chloe’s great loves is growing staple crops: the kinds of plants that can be center stage during a meal. Along with growing food, Chloe is passionate about cooking and nutrition. Visit <a href="https://www.urbanfarm.org/2020/08/11/551-chloe-lieberman/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.urbanfarm.org/2020/08/11/551-chloe-lieberman/</a> for the show notes on this episode, and access to our full podcast library!Chloe Lieberman on Growing Calorie Crops.

551: Chloe Lieberman on Growing Calorie Crops

May 24, 2020Blog and Newsletter Writer, Instructor for Nutrition, Gardening, and WildcraftingTell us a little about yourself.Wild Abundance is more then a website it's a school, I live here and the school is here in the Southern Appalachian mountains just outside of Asheville, North Carolinacornwinter squashsweet potatoesmicro dairy, one Jersey cow and mostly Alpine dairy goatsflock of ducksbeekeepermedicinal and edible mushroom cultivationmedicinal plantsthe school that i work for is located just down the road campus is run by my dear friend, Natalie dog walkertogetherthis yearwe are walking on an online gardening schoolteaching people all over the worldpretty much becausewe love it an are passionateafraid of breakdown of supply chainssurge and your listeners have noticedinterested in gardeningwhen you first start out gardening it can be overwhelmingdiscouragingsteering them in the right directionfolks who have that inspiration can have that success and keep goingI always think it's interesting, I always dreamed of going to Montana, I knew a girl who always wanted to go to Maryland. She's like doesn't that just sound beautiful?can really20 acreswe have 23 acresbigger farms in this statepiedmonteastup in the mountainsAppalachian mountain chain in the southern part of that mountain chain. It's one of the oldest mountain formations in the worldLots of endemic species that live hereIt's a beautiful verdant jungle in the spring and summertemperate rainforestlots of raingets chilly changing with climate changeA big chunk of that is wooded hillsidefarm per se flatland 3-4 acreswhere we have the animalsharvest timber obviously for wood heat cooking and mushroom cultivation My partner is just dedicated at working away at developing a silvapasture and nut orchard up on the slope.I'm sure your listeners know 23 acres can mean a lot of different things if you have top soil and if it's hilly landso we are somewhere in betweenflat for the mountainsdo grow our vegetablessteep land marshy boggy landThat's similar where we are surrounded by doug fir forest and you can see before and after pics on our website. where he has cut the forest to build the minifarm.Tell me about your first gardening experience?well, I didn’t grow up gardeningI grew up in the suburbs in the bay area in Northern, CAsmall rural western part of the countyalternative school that happened to be a public school, was really a blessing for me and my family getting to go to a private school that was public and freealternativeproject basedinterdisciplinaryopen classroomin marinmore rural partbest friend mom had dairy goatsmade her own beerapple sauceMy other friends momgrew beautiful rosesberries and fruitsI did have early exposurewe had a garden at my schoolearly childhood exposure I was drawn to plants and animalsI didn't tend my own garden till I was in collegeI knew I wanted to studyagri-cologyenvironmental studiessustainable food systemsavid cookvegetarainlove vegetables and cook lotsAnyone who cooks a lot has a visceral understanding of the difference of quality of veggrown in sustainableindustrial food systemwas a driving force for meflavorpleasurenourishmentenjoymentcookingnourishmentsustainablemacro systemsfood justice systemsway that the world worksHow farmers are treated around the worldhow they can make a livingfarmers and gardenscurrent practices and practices that would be more optimal for farmers and land and the disconnectthere wanting to sundercollege and studyingrenting housescollege students domy first garden I spearheadedin front yardnext to the highwaydouble-dug the beds gat I had been observinggrew some tomatoesmost successfulall Th.I had worked on other peoples gardens andvolunteered on harvest daystranslated into doing it myself that was my first experience, it grew from there.Then moving out here to NCOne of my big motivations was to grow all of my food, not that I have to do that forever but just to know what that actually looks likehave that experiential knowledgego to the storelandwaterworkhave that hands on experience of my impact on the earth basicallyThat's what I have been exploringThe listeners know I am going to ask the next question? I'm gonna ask. Are you a rockstar millennial? I think they are all like you! You are like my total avatar. My question is what in the heck made you say I'm gonna go to school to school and study sustainable ag systems and food justice. I feel like we are failing our kids of the opportunities out there still saying you can be a doctor, a lawyer, an architect. I think kids have no what the option are!1983Tell us about your courses? Or what you want to talk about next. I'll answer your question of how I got there because I think it’s an important question to ask!I grew up in the Bay area of Northern CA, I great up in a very privileged and mostly white community of progressivesThese ideas were available to meThe idea of pursuing something passion not the bottom line of needing to support my family were present because of my cultural background. I just want to aknowlegde that fact that I was able to pursue those things, yes was because of my social conscience and my inspiration and my life path but also because of the amount of privilege I lived withwhat kids are exposed to there's kind of this spectrumsome young people have huge amount of privilege like white privilege Don't ever get asked questions about what is important to them? Or brought into these discussions of how we can wield that power and privilige to the ecological worldand human worldI feel lucky to be at intersection of those things and have the spaciousness to make choices based on my passion not just the need so support myself and my familyprogressive thinking and social consciousnessI want to give credit to my parents who encouraged me to do what I'm passionate about and to learn and ask questions.For folks listening and have childrenI have a young childoverwhelming and look at raising right nowHow can they find their place? this is so crazy right nowencouraging children and young people questions that might not have answers but to pursue those questions. thorough the asking and through their engagement in the world that answers might arrive that might not exist yetI know my listeners are probably interested in the food forest and mushrooms and there are classes they can take.Wild Abundance is a school that used to be until a few years ago where you had to go in personyou had to come here to the campusconnective community buildingannualpermaculture design certification coursein depthhands on8 month program but much more with that digging into earth skillsancestors have used to relate to the natural world to supply themselves with sustenancea lot of amazing classesbuildingre-wildingmedicine makingBut with many in person classes and with brick and mortar businesses we have had to cancel our classes and pivot into online learningfortunately we produced an all natural brain-tanning classsueded leather that is 100% naturalproducing that courseresult to this huge surge interested in food gardening as a result from the pandemic and also to survive as a businessWe have created this online gardening schoolprogram to support new and intermediate in being successfulrelating to gardening as a living systemmentorship calls ansering nitty gritty questions and also our approach for gardeing where gardening is more for people to get foodconnect with the natural worldthat’s what we teachfood forestschatted about them with the garden school members but it is not covered in the garden school programWe are looking to develop more online classesIt's amazing how we can serve more peoplenot easy for everyone to come here where were located in a hot bed of permacultureback to the landaren’t mentors and teachersonline programGreecenew Zealandlots of places in the USmay or may not have teachers availableencourage people to get on our newsletter and mailing listdeveloping more classesmushroom cultivatingorchardingfood forestswhich all fits under the realm of permacultureI think after this is all over your going to find that 3 day course is going to be just packed! I think people are going to love each other and be into workshops!I just want to clarify, the permaculture design courses are longersubject to specificwoman’s carpentry classes and female identified folksconfident with toolsbuilding things for them3 dayre-wilding coursesurvival coursepermaculture courses are a little longer8 month3 days each month awesome way to go deeper but a great longer commitmentI think a lot of women would like that, because a lot of woman write me and say but I don't have a Mike at home to build our beds and mike might say why don't you go because I don't have any of those skills, I kind of gave up after trying to build a few things.That's a really good point, I invite you to come, we have had wonderful feedback about these classesI have cooked for them, we provide lunchpeople come who have never picked up a tool, but others who have a some skills. I don’t want to generalize too much as a gender, but my experience as a woman or female identifiednot just by messing around doing it, in an environment where people have this kind of have this expectationcome togethersupport each otherfeeling really comfortable in commuity“stupid questions”Oh yeah now I feel confidentgone through this processvulnerable receiing help from experienced peoplefeeling good experimentingon my own what questionsmost popular classes are the woman's carpentry classone or twice a year we offer a more advanced classbuilding structuresbasicswork on an individual project like a book shelf in the advanced class we work on something that stands up like a shedThe thing I want to learn, I can't wait to learn is how to build gates.I went to Free the Seeds, I gave a way a book, and the number one thing out of 40 people, I want to see 35 of them said was keeping deer out. My husband is really good at is building a fence. People might think, I just want to grow tomatoes. But trust me, pests, critters,are the biggest struggle and the answers are barriers is the biggest way to keep them out. Of course were still struggling with squirrels.This relationship between gardening and really connecting to the larger worldA lot of people come to gardening because they want something to eatwhich is understandable we want to grow food to eat the food. Main reason I garden, super rewarding and people don't even know when they start out that there are so many varieties of vegetablesthen we can buy in the storeeven to some degree bread for ripening time, so they all ripen at the same time for harvesting easeshelf lifehome scale varietyproductionbread for flavored and beauty varied ripening time so if you just have a couple of plants you have summer squash each day for a month or morecome back and pick them againsmall scaledcontainers on a balconyhuman beings about zoom and snap chatand all of the ways we've gotten so onlineconnectednot connectedconnecting through these unnatural means seperating us from other humans and our connection with the natural worldsuffering becausedepressionanxietyfood related illnesses obesitytype 2 diabetesblood pressurelist goes onsee it as this really appealing way to address all of those challengesnot only getting food to eat this daily reminder of the reciprocal relationship with the natural worldnot just an intellectual wayearth gives us lifeunderstanding of in their particular spiritualor philosophical backgroundthis is not philosophicalWhen you grow a gardengrowharvesteattastesweetgoes into thatas you are digging your garden bed you notice a clutch of baby robins that just hatchedwouldn’t have gone out and been digging doing this repetitive meditative task, if you didn’t go out in the gardenfeel hopefuleven in an urban setting start to gardenopen that door to have an experiential relationship with the natural worldthat some of these big challenges we are experienceing culturaly right now may have a big of a crack in themopeningsolutions overwhelming and complex as they sometimes seem but they are actually small and simpleeach of us can participate in them in a way that is fun and joyfulsense of satisfaction in our lives!TOTALLY! The question I want to know, you said in the beginning, what are some of those decisions you made like having one cow?this is our 7th year of growing here on our homestead before that we were growing a sizable field on our friends place, that was kind of a beginning, so this is 8th year of attemptingdon’t grow and raise 100% of my own foodoccassionally we will get a pizza or go out to dinnernot super hardcoremore of a balance between that experiment and participating in modern lifesize of the place we have to work with and number of people to work the land are huge considerations along with budget in terms of the number of thingsOne cow, she’s a jersey cow, produces way more milk then we need!late lactation, she hasn't had a calf this year, she had a calf last spring, we have since slaughtered himmeat is in our freezergallon and half of milkfirst freshens, term you use for a dairy animal after having a baby, they will have a baby, they call it the first freshen. she will make over 4 gallons of milkWait can I just ask the maybe silliest question but the baby doesn't need to drink the 4 gallons of milk?plenty of butterShe makes more then 4 gallons of milk, basicallywhen we are drinking the milk from the other species but dairy breeds have been bred to produce more milk their babies need, if they didn’t they wouldn’t be able to power a whole industrybaby in commercial dairiesbabies are taken away before the mother sees or licks themif you let them bond they become distressed, either way they become distessedmost commercialraise the calfon milk from the baby or from the motherreplacerless then 4 gallonsbunch of different thingsbaby gets some, still get to spend time togetherworks better with goatswanting a break from milkingcalf didn’t need to keep milking but he wasslaughtered the calfstarted milkingso thats where the gallon and a half come from lots of different ways to do itI knew cows were taking away at the dairy but not all of that i guess.so continuing to answer your questions bout size and scalehow much of each to growfield corn or dried corngrow that to make tortillassometimes we make cornbread ortamalesgrow enough corn in a year to last us a year or two so we alternate sweet potatoes we often grow more then we needsometimes sell themplaying thestorage is a issue, it's not just a question of how many you’ll eatwhat kind of set up you have for storing them and how longI was goona ask about the corn, but I suppose you coulddry as whole kernels so we can store at room temperatureSo you just take the kernels off the cob? Still easier, less space, then saving ears of corn taking up less space?Then what about the goats?yeah do you have specific questions? How many?Do you have goats for milk?we milkabout 1/2 gallon of milkdepends on the breedMostly we makekefirshevfeta cheesewith the cow milk we sell a lot of cow milk and yogurt so that's a nice way to pay for the cow itself.I love feta cheese and it's so expensive! So I hardly ever buy it. I have a friend who makes her own mozzarella cheese is so amazing! I even bought rennet to try to make it the woman near us who had a cow. You can make mozzarrella with store bought milk.Is there something you guys are excited to try this year that you haven't tried before?let me think, yes! we havemy partner really spearhead this, but we have sown different kinds of heirloom wheatWe have this dairy cow so we have a lot of homemade butterdon’t eat a lot of wheat or gluten containing sourdough bread or things like thatsee how that its looking really good in the field obviously it's gonna be a ordeal to process to harvest and clean and turnMy husband is interested in growing wheat too, he is a big baker, Mike is getting closer to being able to grow as much of our produce, but we also have the storage issue. I never thought about growing corn to make a corn meal. corn is one of those crops it's hard to find good quality corn. Mike has a hard time cause our growing season is short. In Eureka, we are 6 miles south of town, it's much easier to get corn there because they have 3 weeks on each of our ends of the season.northern adapted...

May 24, 2020Blog and Newsletter Writer, Instructor for Nutrition, Gardening, and WildcraftingTell us a little about yourself.<a href="https://www.wildabundance.net/classes/online-gardening-school/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wild Abundance</a> is more then a website it's a school, I live here and the school is here in the Southern Appalachian mountains just outside of Asheville, North Carolina<ul><li>corn</li><li>winter squash</li><li>sweet potatoes</li><li>micro dairy, one Jersey cow and mostly Alpine dairy goats</li><li>flock of ducks</li><li>beekeeper</li></ul>medicinal and edible mushroom cultivationmedicinal plantsthe school that i work for is located just down the road campus is run by my dear friend, Natalie dog walkertogetherthis yearwe are walking on an online gardening schoolteaching people all over the worldpretty much becausewe love it an are passionateafraid of breakdown of supply chainssurge and your listeners have noticedinterested in gardeningwhen you first start out gardening it can be <ul><li>overwhelming</li><li>discouraging</li></ul>steering them in the right directionfolks who have that inspiration can have that success and keep goingI always think it's interesting, I always dreamed of going to Montana, I knew a girl who always wanted to go to Maryland. She's like doesn't that just sound beautiful?can really20 acreswe have 23 acresbigger farms in this statepiedmonteastup in the mountainsAppalachian mountain chain in the southern part of that mountain chain. It's one of the oldest mountain formations in the worldLots of endemic species that live hereIt's a beautiful verdant jungle in the spring and summer<ul><li>temperate rainforest</li><li>lots of rain</li><li>gets chilly changing with climate change</li></ul>A big chunk of that is wooded hillsidefarm per se flatland 3-4 acreswhere we have the animalsharvest timber obviously for wood heat cooking and mushroom cultivation My partner is just dedicated at working away at developing a silvapasture and nut orchard up on the slope.<h3>I'm sure your listeners know 23 acres can mean a lot of different things if you have top soil and if it's hilly land</h3>so we are somewhere in between<ul><li>flat for the mountains</li><li>do grow our vegetables</li><li>steep land marshy boggy land</li></ul>That's similar where we are surrounded by doug fir forest and you can see before and after pics on our website. where he has cut the forest to build the minifarm.<h2>Tell me about your first gardening experience?</h2>well, I didn’t grow up gardeningI grew up in the suburbs in the bay area in Northern, CAsmall rural western part of the countyalternative school that happened to be a public school, was really a blessing for me and my family getting to go to a private school that was public and freealternativeproject basedinterdisciplinaryopen classroomin marinmore rural part<ul><li>best friend mom had dairy goats</li><li>made her own beer</li><li>apple sauce</li></ul>My other friends mom<ul><li>grew beautiful roses</li><li>berries and fruits</li></ul>I did have early exposurewe had a garden at my schoolearly childhood exposure I was drawn to plants and animalsI didn't tend my own garden till I was in collegeI knew I wanted to study<ul><li>agri-cology</li><li>environmental studies</li><li>sustainable food systems</li></ul>avid cookvegetarainlove vegetables and cook lotsAnyone who cooks a lot has a visceral understanding of the difference of quality of veggrown in sustainableindustrial food systemwas a driving force for me<ul><li>flavor</li><li>pleasure</li><li>nourishment</li><li>enjoyment</li></ul>cookingnourishmentsustainable<ul><li>macro systems</li><li>food justice systems</li></ul>way that the world worksHow farmers are treated around the worldhow they can make a livingfarmers and gardenscurrent practices and practices that would be more optimal for farmers and land and the disconnectthere wanting to sundercollege and studyingrenting housescollege students domy first garden I spearheadedin front yardnext to the highwaydouble-dug the beds gat I had been observinggrew some tomatoesmost successfulall Th.I had worked on other peoples gardens andvolunteered on harvest daystranslated into doing it myself that was my first experience, it grew from there.Then moving out here to NCOne of my big motivations was to grow all of my food, not that I have to do that forever but just to know what that actually looks likehave that experiential knowledgego to the store<ul><li>land</li><li>water</li><li>work</li><li>have that hands on experience of my impact on the earth basically</li></ul>That's what I have been exploringThe listeners know I am going to ask the next question? I'm gonna ask. Are you a rockstar millennial? I think they are all like you! You are like my total avatar. My question is what in the heck made you say I'm gonna go to school to school and study sustainable ag systems and food justice. I feel like we are failing our kids of the opportunities out there still saying you can be a doctor, a lawyer, an architect. I think kids have no what the option are!1983Tell us about your courses? Or what you want to talk about next. I'll answer your question of how I got there because I think it’s an important question to ask!I grew up in the Bay area of Northern CA, I great up in a very privileged and mostly white community of progressivesThese ideas were available to meThe idea of pursuing something passion not the bottom line of needing to support my family were present because of my cultural background. I just want to aknowlegde that fact that I was able to pursue those things, yes was because of my social conscience and my inspiration and my life path but also because of the amount of privilege I lived withwhat kids are exposed to there's kind of this spectrumsome young people have huge amount of privilege like white privilege <h2>Don't ever get asked questions about what is important to them? </h2>Or brought into these discussions of how we can wield that power and privilige to the ecological worldand human worldI feel lucky to be at intersection of those things and have the spaciousness to make choices based on my passion not just the need so support myself and my familyprogressive thinking and social consciousnessI want to give credit to my parents who encouraged me to do what I'm passionate about and to learn and ask questions.<h2>For folks listening and have children</h2>I have a young childoverwhelming and look at raising right nowHow can they find their place? this is so crazy right nowencouraging children and young people questions that might not have answers but to pursue those questions. thorough the asking and through their engagement in the world that answers might arrive that might not exist yetI know my listeners are probably interested in the food forest and mushrooms and there are classes they can take.<h2><a href="https://www.wildabundance.net/classes/online-gardening-school/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wild Abundance</a> is a school that used to be until a few years ago where you had to go in person</h2>you had to come here to the campusconnective community buildingannual<h2>permaculture design certification course</h2><ul><li>in depth</li><li>hands on</li></ul>8 month program but much more with that digging into <h3>earth skills</h3>ancestors have used to relate to the natural world to supply themselves with sustenancea lot of amazing classes<ul><li>building</li><li>re-wilding</li><li>medicine making</li></ul>But with many in person classes and with brick and mortar businesses we have had to cancel our classes and pivot into online learningfortunately we produced an all natural brain-tanning classsueded leather that is 100% naturalproducing that courseresult to this huge surge interested in food gardening as a result from the pandemic and also to survive as a business<h2>We have created this online gardening school</h2>program to support new and intermediate in being successfulrelating to gardening as a living systemmentorship calls ansering nitty gritty questions and also our approach for gardeing where gardening is more for people to get foodconnect with the natural worldthat’s what we teachfood forestschatted about them with the garden school members but it is not covered in the garden school programWe are looking to develop more online classesIt's amazing how we can serve more peoplenot easy for everyone to come here where were located in a hot bed of permacultureback to the landaren’t mentors and teachersonline programGreecenew Zealandlots of places in the USmay or may not have teachers availableencourage people to get on our newsletter and mailing listdeveloping more classes<ul><li>mushroom cultivating</li><li>orcharding</li><li>food forests</li><li>which all fits under the realm of permaculture</li></ul>I think after this is all over your going to find that 3 day course is going to be just packed! I think people are going to love each other and be into workshops!<h2>I just want to clarify, the permaculture design courses are longer</h2>subject to specificwoman’s carpentry classes and female identified folksconfident with toolsbuilding things for them3 day<ul><li>re-wilding course</li><li>survival course</li><li>permaculture courses are a little longer</li></ul>8 month3 days each month awesome way to go deeper but a great longer commitmentI think a lot of women would like that, because a lot of woman write me and say but I don't have a Mike at home to build our beds and mike might say why don't you go because I don't have any of those skills, I kind of gave up after trying to build a few things.That's a really good point, I invite you to come, we have had wonderful feedback about these classesI have cooked for them, we provide lunchpeople come who have never picked up a tool, but others who have a some skills. I don’t want to generalize too much as a gender, but my experience as a woman or female identifiednot just by messing around doing it, in an environment where people have this kind of have this expectation<ul><li>come together</li><li>support each other</li><li>feeling really comfortable in commuity</li><li>“stupid questions”</li></ul>Oh yeah now I feel confidentgone through this processvulnerable receiing help from experienced peoplefeeling good experimentingon my own what questionsmost popular classes are the woman's carpentry classone or twice a year we offer a more advanced classbuilding structuresbasicswork on an individual project like a book shelf in the advanced class we work on something that stands up like a shedThe thing I want to learn, I can't wait to learn is how to build gates.I went to Free the Seeds, I gave a way a book, and the number one thing out of 40 people, I want to see 35 of them said was keeping deer out. My husband is really good at is building a fence. People might think, I just want to grow tomatoes. But trust me, pests, critters,are the biggest struggle and the answers are barriers is the biggest way to keep them out. Of course were still struggling with squirrels.This relationship between gardening and really connecting to the larger worldA lot of people come to gardening because they want something to eatwhich is understandable we want to grow food to eat the food. Main reason I garden, super rewarding and people don't even know when they start out that there are so many varieties of vegetablesthen we can buy in the storeeven to some degree bread for ripening time, so they all ripen at the same time for harvesting easeshelf lifehome scale varietyproductionbread for flavored and beauty varied ripening time so if you just have a couple of plants you have summer squash each day for a month or morecome back and pick them againsmall scaledcontainers on a balconyhuman beings about zoom and snap chatand all of the ways we've gotten so onlineconnectednot connected<h2>connecting through these unnatural means seperating us from other humans and our connection with the natural world</h2>suffering because<ul><li>depression</li><li>anxiety</li></ul>food related illnesses <ul><li>obesity</li><li>type 2 diabetes</li><li>blood pressure</li></ul>list goes on<h2>see it as this really appealing way to address all of those challenges</h2>not only getting food to eat this daily reminder of the reciprocal relationship with the natural worldnot just an intellectual wayearth gives us lifeunderstanding of in their particular spiritualor philosophical backgroundthis is not philosophicalWhen you grow a gardengrowharvesteattastesweetgoes into thatas you are digging your garden bed you notice a clutch of baby robins that just hatchedwouldn’t have gone out and been digging doing this repetitive meditative task, if you didn’t go out in the gardenfeel hopefuleven in an urban setting start to gardenopen that door to have an experiential relationship with the natural worldthat some of these big challenges we are experienceing culturaly right now may have a big of a crack in themopeningsolutions overwhelming and complex as they sometimes seem but they are actually small and simpleeach of us can participate in them in a way that is fun and joyfulsense of satisfaction in our lives!TOTALLY! The question I want to know, you said in the beginning, what are some of those decisions you made like having one cow?this is our 7th year of growing here on our homestead before that we were growing a sizable field on our friends place, that was kind of a beginning, so this is 8th year of attemptingdon’t grow and raise 100% of my own foodoccassionally we will get a pizza or go out to dinnernot super hardcore<h3>more of a balance between that experiment and participating in modern life</h3>size of the place we have to work with and number of people to work the land are huge considerations along with budget in terms of the number of thingsOne cow, she’s a jersey cow, produces way more milk then we need!late lactation, she hasn't had a calf this year, she had a calf last spring, we have since slaughtered himmeat is in our freezergallon and half of milkfirst freshens, term you use for a dairy animal after having a baby, they will have a baby, they call it the first freshen. she will make over 4 gallons of milkWait can I just ask the maybe silliest question but the baby doesn't need to drink the 4 gallons of milk?plenty of butterShe makes more then 4 gallons of milk, basicallywhen we are drinking the milk from the other species but dairy breeds have been bred to produce more milk their babies need, if they didn’t they wouldn’t be able to power a whole industrybaby in commercial dairiesbabies are taken away before the mother sees or licks themif you let them bond they become distressed, either way they become distessedmost commercialraise the calfon milk from the baby or from the motherreplacerless then 4 gallonsbunch of different thingsbaby gets some, still get to spend time togetherworks better with goatswanting a break from milkingcalf didn’t need to keep milking but he wasslaughtered the calfstarted milkingso thats where the gallon and a half come from lots of different ways to do itI knew cows were taking away at the dairy but not all of that i guess.so continuing to answer your questions bout size and scalehow much of each to growfield corn or dried corngrow that to make tortillassometimes we make cornbread ortamalesgrow enough corn in a year to last us a year or two so we alternate sweet potatoes we often grow more then we needsometimes sell themplaying thestorage is a issue, it's not just a question of how many you’ll eatwhat kind of set up you have for storing them and how longI was goona ask about the corn, but I suppose you coulddry as whole kernels so we can store at room temperatureSo you just take the kernels off the cob? Still easier, less space, then saving ears of corn taking up less space?Then what about the goats?yeah do you have specific questions? How many?Do you have goats for milk?we milkabout 1/2 gallon of milkdepends on the breedMostly we make<ul><li>kefir</li><li>shev</li><li>feta cheese</li></ul>with the cow milk we sell a lot of cow milk and yogurt so that's a nice way to pay for the cow itself.I love feta cheese and it's so expensive! So I hardly ever buy it. I have a friend who makes her own mozzarella cheese is so amazing! I even bought rennet to try to make it the woman near us who had a cow. You can make mozzarrella with store bought milk.Is there something you guys are excited to try this year that you haven't tried before?let me think, yes! we havemy partner really spearhead this, but we have sown different kinds of heirloom wheatWe have this dairy cow so we have a lot of homemade butterdon’t eat a lot of wheat or gluten containing sourdough bread or things like thatsee how that its looking really good in the field obviously it's gonna be a ordeal to process to harvest and clean and turnMy husband is interested in growing wheat too, he is a big baker, Mike is getting closer to being able to grow as much of our produce, but we also have the storage issue. I never thought about growing corn to make a corn meal. corn is one of those crops it's hard to find good quality corn. Mike has a hard time cause our growing season is short. In Eureka, we are 6 miles south of town, it's much easier to get corn there because they have 3 weeks on each of our ends of the season.northern adapted...

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