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Dr. Shawn Rowland interviews “Doc” Forgey who shares his unique path from being born and raised in an urban sprawl near Kerry, Indiana, to becoming an expert in wilderness medicine. Despite living in northern Indiana, he regularly ventures into wilderness areas for adventures. Doc also sheds light on his challenging role as the medical director of a maximum security jail, where he managed a high turnover of patients with various health issues. The conversation delves into his background as a family practitioner and ER physician, his time in the military during the Vietnam War, his interest in cave diving and racing bicycles, and his transition into the world of medicine and research. Doc's passion for exploring new territories, both in medicine and his personal life, shines through as he discusses his involvement with psychological operations and his dedication to helping others in need. Overall, this episode offers a remarkable narrative of a life lived to the fullest, featuring a compelling mix of medicine, adventure, and exploration.

Dr. Shawn Rowland interviews “Doc” Forgey who shares his unique path from being born and raised in an urban sprawl near Kerry, Indiana, to becoming an expert in wilderness medicine. Despite living in northern Indiana, he regularly ventures into wilderness areas for adventures. Doc also sheds light on his challenging role as the medical director of a maximum security jail, where he managed a high turnover of patients with various health issues. The conversation delves into his background as a family practitioner and ER physician, his time in the military during the Vietnam War, his interest in cave diving and racing bicycles, and his transition into the world of medicine and research. Doc's passion for exploring new territories, both in medicine and his personal life, shines through as he discusses his involvement with psychological operations and his dedication to helping others in need. Overall, this episode offers a remarkable narrative of a life lived to the fullest, featuring a compelling mix of medicine, adventure, and exploration.

Episode #2 | Doc Forgey | Medical Director Maximum Security Jail

Doc Forgey is an accomplished Doctor, Author of over 30 books, and an adventure traveler. On this episode, he tells how he was introduced to the outdoors, his writing career and thoughts on first aid, wilderness medicine, and prepping for disasters. Facebook Twitter InstagramThe Outdoor Biz Podcast   Please give us a rating and review HERE   Show Notes   Doc Forgey is an accomplished Doctor, Author of over 30 books, and an adventure traveler. On this episode, he tells how he was introduced to the outdoors, how he got into medicine, his writing career and thoughts on first aid, wilderness medicine, and prepping for disasters.    How were introduced to the outdoors?   Well, actually my family. My dad was a big fisherman and he worked in an industrial area in Northern Indiana for an oil company. He would take vacations and drag us out to Tennessee Valley Authority lakes throughout the South. They'd have fishing camps and little cabins. It was really fishing introduction and that went on throughout my childhood. One of the things I found I like to do, in Tennessee particularly was go off on my own with the boat. And of course, you know, I'm young, I'm in grade school, but dad trusts me to take the boat out. I would just tramp the woods and I looked for caves and crawling in caves. So I became an avid cave Explorer.    How did you get into wilderness medicine?  I spent a long time in the army, so I guess I graduated from the army, was out of money and wanting more adventure. I had no money and no training for that. So I said, well there's one way to get it. I joined the army in 1964 and you know, cause the army slug was FTA, Fun Travel, and Adventure.  I spent 30 months in Vietnam and went to training with the army and it was during that time I graduated in chemistry. It had been years since I was in school, but I definitely want to become a doctor. I am not going to remain an infantry officer, I definitely want to be a doctor   I got into grad school and while I was in grad school applied for med school, but I made sure my graduate advisor was in microbiology and knew that I'm not here to get a Master's or a Doctorate. I don't want any of your money. You know, the graduate program wants to give, wants people to be teaching assistants, give them stipends. They also want me to get degrees and be in their business. I said, no, no, I will pay my entire way. I'm going to go to med school. And he agreed with that.    Indiana Camp Supply   So I was in my first year of med school and, know already I've done a lot of these canoe expeditions in the North and I know I need equipment. It's kind of specialized. I want to use sacks any backpacker would hate, like the Duluth sack. But long-distance wilderness canoeists know about the Duluth sack and basically a lot of other specialized gear. And I was buying it online. And what I decided is, you know what, I think I'm just going to start a company and sell it cause look at it, I can get it like 50% off. I buy from the manufacturer. Well, this looks like a gold mine so I started a company.     What I did is I went to the small business administration and I got a $40,000 loan while I was a medical student. I didn't tell them I was in med school and I didn't tell them I actually was still on active reserves. I had 40 grand out of them and started this mail-order company called  Indiana Camp Supply in Indiana. And, we had a mail-order catalog. We were actually dropping a hundred thousand at a pop eventually. And we're probably 400,000 a season of these catalogs as the years went on. It lasted for years and we started carrying an awful lot of books because we found that we had like 135 titles and we also were carrying medical supplies and I was putting these articles about medical care in there and, and so there we go    What accomplishments are you most proud of?   I think the thing I'm proudest of is being a teacher. I worked a lot with outdoor education and so these early days as we were coming up with a concept of wilderness first aid, how does it differ from urban first aid, I put on hundreds of workshops on that and, and really worked. And then, the last part of my life, I've been done a lot of international work. I've set up a nonprofit in Haiti, and I made 44 trips to a village in the mountains where we go multiple times a year. And that's a different type of thing, but it's mass casually and safely. Um, it's just a very poor environment and people don't see a doctor, sometimes ever in their life.     And you just got a lot of pediatric and an elderly, a lot of infectious diseases. So I was down there for the explosion of  cholera and for the explosion of  zika virus, for  chikungunya. I mean, I've seen hundreds of these cases. So it was medical students. You're kind of showing them how you go into any setup and you just deal with this mass of humanity. And we work under the health department, so we're part of the Haitian health department where we take orders from them. So they have different treatment protocols say for malaria than what we do. So, okay, in the United States, here's how I would do it. Here's how you're going to do it here it's two different worlds, right? So we would do it the way they do it.      Do you have any suggestions or advice for folks wanting to get into the outdoor business or get into wilderness medicine?   I had a lot of people come to me, and say how do I become a wilderness doctor and I said, you know, you have two choices. You either live in a beautiful area and, you're living there and working real volunteer and doing the things you want to do and make your living there, or you'll live in an urban area and then break away for blocks of time.   And that's what I did by necessity because I got a job at an ER and then built a private practice. So you’re like a politician, you can't just really leave unless you're a billionaire and your family can make you a Senator here and Senator somewhere else, you know? No, you gotta grassroots it yourself. I think when it comes to the prepping end of it, I'd say I've always been a bit of a prepper. And when I first enrolled as medicine, I worked a lot with groups that were very active and prepping. This was long before this early prepper movement, you know, this is the fucking seventies. Then, while I was so tied up with technical aspects of medicine for outdoor education or eventually got into the international medical relief stuff, you still think, you know, what you're really dealing with is how you manage an issue when you don't have assets. In other words, the grid is collapsed. What do you do? Right? You don't have 911, which is always the wilderness situation or the international situation. You know, what do you take with you and what do you do to improvise when you don't have normal stuff? So I think when it comes to wilderness medicine, the biggest, the lessons you learn there is improvisation.    If you hang a banner at the entrance of that show, what would it say?   It would be like something like “free luggage tags at booth 97”    Do you have a favorite outdoor gear purchase under a hundred dollars?   I always carry a sheath knife and the preppers-medical-handbook.com    Follow up with Doc   http://www.docforgey-travel-medicine.com/  Links  EMAIL: doc4g@aol.com     Books       Wilderness Medicine (1979, 2d Ed 1983, 3rd Ed 1987, 4th Ed 1994, 5th Ed 2000, 6th Edition to be published in 2012)   Hypothermia (1985)   Campfire Stories (1985, 2nd Ed 2011)   Basic Essentials of Outdoor First Aid (1989)   Basic Essentials of Wilderness First Aid (1999, 2nd Ed 2007)    Basic Illustrated Wilderness First Aid (2008), Campfire Tales (1989, 2nd Ed 1999, 3rd Ed 2011), The Travelers' Medical Resource (1990)   The Travelers' Self Care Manual (1990)   Basic Essentials of Hypothermia (1991, 2nd Ed 1999)   The Wilderness Medical Society's Practice Guidelines for Pre-hospital Care (editor, 3rd Ed 1995, 4th Ed 2001, 5th Ed 2006)   The Doctor's Little Book of Wisdom, (1995)   Campfire Stories, Vol III (1995), Wilderness First Aid (1996, 2nd Ed 2003), and The Dieter's Little Book of Wisdom (1996).    Dr. Forgey contributed to the current edition of the Field Book, 3rd Ed (1984), and the current edition of the Boy Scout Handbook, 12th Ed, 2010, published by the Boy Scouts of America, The Wilderness Educator (1991), a textbook for outdoor educators, and Fishing First Aid (2002), and to Expedition Medicine (2008) from Cambridge University Press.     Please give us a rating and review HERE

Doc Forgey is an accomplished Doctor, Author of over 30 books, and an adventure traveler. On this episode, he tells how he was introduced to the outdoors, his writing career and thoughts on first aid, wilderness medicine, and prepping for disasters. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/theoutdoorbizpodcast/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/rick_saez" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/theoutdoorbizpodcast/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/rick.saez/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a><a href="http://www.theoutdoorbizpodcast.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">The Outdoor Biz Podcast</a>   Please give us a rating and review <a href="http://bit.ly/2t572XN" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">HERE</a>   Show Notes <a href="http://www.docforgey-travel-medicine.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Doc Forgey</a> is an accomplished Doctor, Author of over 30 books, and an adventure traveler. On this episode, he tells how he was introduced to the outdoors, how he got into medicine, his writing career and thoughts on first aid, wilderness medicine, and prepping for disasters.   How were introduced to the outdoors? Well, actually my family. My dad was a big fisherman and he worked in an industrial area in Northern Indiana for an oil company. He would take vacations and drag us out to Tennessee Valley Authority lakes throughout the South. They'd have fishing camps and little cabins. It was really fishing introduction and that went on throughout my childhood. One of the things I found I like to do, in Tennessee particularly was go off on my own with the boat. And of course, you know, I'm young, I'm in grade school, but dad trusts me to take the boat out. I would just tramp the woods and I looked for caves and crawling in caves. So I became an avid cave Explorer.   How did you get into wilderness medicine? I spent a long time in the army, so I guess I graduated from the army, was out of money and wanting more adventure. I had no money and no training for that. So I said, well there's one way to get it. I joined the army in 1964 and you know, cause the army slug was FTA, Fun Travel, and Adventure. I spent 30 months in Vietnam and went to training with the army and it was during that time I graduated in chemistry. It had been years since I was in school, but I definitely want to become a doctor. I am not going to remain an infantry officer, I definitely want to be a doctor I got into grad school and while I was in grad school applied for med school, but I made sure my graduate advisor was in microbiology and knew that I'm not here to get a Master's or a Doctorate. I don't want any of your money. You know, the graduate program wants to give, wants people to be teaching assistants, give them stipends. They also want me to get degrees and be in their business. I said, no, no, I will pay my entire way. I'm going to go to med school. And he agreed with that.   Indiana Camp Supply So I was in my first year of med school and, know already I've done a lot of these canoe expeditions in the North and I know I need equipment. It's kind of specialized. I want to use sacks any backpacker would hate, like the Duluth sack. But long-distance wilderness canoeists know about the Duluth sack and basically a lot of other specialized gear. And I was buying it online. And what I decided is, you know what, I think I'm just going to start a company and sell it cause look at it, I can get it like 50% off. I buy from the manufacturer. Well, this looks like a gold mine so I started a company.   What I did is I went to the small business administration and I got a $40,000 loan while I was a medical student. I didn't tell them I was in med school and I didn't tell them I actually was still on active reserves. I had 40 grand out of them and started this mail-order company called <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=9N8DAAAAMBAJ&amp;pg=PA65&amp;lpg=PA65&amp;dq=Indiana+Camp+Supply&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=e3TY8JkCN3&amp;sig=ACfU3U32PDwYtLTlkvcN659M06kxqlTq2A&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjNheTpyd7pAhULQ80KHXSGB6MQ6AEwA3oECAgQAQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Indiana Camp Supply</a> in Indiana. And, we had a mail-order catalog. We were actually dropping a hundred thousand at a pop eventually. And we're probably 400,000 a season of these catalogs as the years went on. It lasted for years and we started carrying an awful lot of books because we found that we had like 135 titles and we also were carrying medical supplies and I was putting these articles about medical care in there and, and so there we go   What accomplishments are you most proud of? I think the thing I'm proudest of is being a teacher. I worked a lot with outdoor education and so these early days as we were coming up with a concept of wilderness first aid, how does it differ from urban first aid, I put on hundreds of workshops on that and, and really worked. And then, the last part of my life, I've been done a lot of international work. I've set up a nonprofit in Haiti, and I made 44 trips to a village in the mountains where we go multiple times a year. And that's a different type of thing, but it's mass casually and safely. Um, it's just a very poor environment and people don't see a doctor, sometimes ever in their life.   And you just got a lot of pediatric and an elderly, a lot of infectious diseases. So I was down there for the explosion of <a href="https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/cholera-faq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> cholera</a> and for the explosion of <a href="https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/zika-virus" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> zika virus</a>, for <a href="https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/chikungunya" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> chikungunya</a>. I mean, I've seen hundreds of these cases. So it was medical students. You're kind of showing them how you go into any setup and you just deal with this mass of humanity. And we work under the health department, so we're part of the Haitian health department where we take orders from them. So they have different treatment protocols say for malaria than what we do. So, okay, in the United States, here's how I would do it. Here's how you're going to do it here it's two different worlds, right? So we would do it the way they do it.   Do you have any suggestions or advice for folks wanting to get into the outdoor business or get into wilderness medicine? I had a lot of people come to me, and say how do I become a wilderness doctor and I said, you know, you have two choices. You either live in a beautiful area and, you're living there and working real volunteer and doing the things you want to do and make your living there, or you'll live in an urban area and then break away for blocks of time. And that's what I did by necessity because I got a job at an ER and then built a private practice. So you’re like a politician, you can't just really leave unless you're a billionaire and your family can make you a Senator here and Senator somewhere else, you know? No, you gotta grassroots it yourself. I think when it comes to the prepping end of it, I'd say I've always been a bit of a prepper. And when I first enrolled as medicine, I worked a lot with groups that were very active and prepping. This was long before this early prepper movement, you know, this is the fucking seventies. Then, while I was so tied up with technical aspects of medicine for outdoor education or eventually got into the international medical relief stuff, you still think, you know, what you're really dealing with is how you manage an issue when you don't have assets. In other words, the grid is collapsed. What do you do? Right? You don't have 911, which is always the wilderness situation or the international situation. You know, what do you take with you and what do you do to improvise when you don't have normal stuff? So I think when it comes to wilderness medicine, the biggest, the lessons you learn there is improvisation.   If you hang a banner at the entrance of that show, what would it say? It would be like something like “free luggage tags at booth 97”   Do you have a favorite outdoor gear purchase under a hundred dollars? I always carry a sheath knife and the <a href="https://www.preppers-medical-handbook.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">preppers-medical-handbook.com</a>   Follow up with Doc <a href="http://www.docforgey-travel-medicine.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.docforgey-travel-medicine.com/</a> Links EMAIL: <a href="mailto:doc4g@aol.com">doc4g@aol.com</a>   Books <ul> <li> Wilderness Medicine (1979, 2d Ed 1983, 3rd Ed 1987, 4th Ed 1994, 5th Ed 2000, 6th Edition to be published in 2012) </li> <li> <a href="https://amzn.to/2BbLHEK" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hypothermia</a> (1985) </li> <li> <a href="https://amzn.to/2zFlvCi" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Campfire Stories</a> (1985, 2nd Ed 2011) </li> <li> <a href="https://amzn.to/2yTiKge" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Basic Essentials of Outdoor First Aid</a> (1989) </li> <li> <a href="https://amzn.to/2yTiKge" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Basic Essentials of Wilderness First Aid</a> (1999, 2nd Ed 2007) </li> <li> <a href="http://basic%20illustrated%20wilderness%20first%20aid/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Basic Illustrated Wilderness First Aid</a> (2008), <a href="https://amzn.to/2zFlvCi" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Campfire Tales</a> (1989, 2nd Ed 1999, 3rd Ed 2011), <a href="https://amzn.to/3dkJFAx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Travelers' Medical Resource</a> (1990) </li> <li> The Travelers' Self Care Manual (1990) </li> <li> <a href="https://amzn.to/2ZUsbXG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Basic Essentials of Hypothermia</a> (1991, 2nd Ed 1999) </li> <li> The Wilderness Medical Society's Practice Guidelines for Pre-hospital Care (editor, 3rd Ed 1995, 4th Ed 2001, 5th Ed 2006) </li> <li> <a href="https://amzn.to/36KLgND" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Doctor's Little Book of Wisdom</a>, (1995) </li> <li> <a href="https://amzn.to/2XgMc9b" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Campfire Stories, Vol III</a> (1995), Wilderness First Aid (1996, 2nd Ed 2003), and The Dieter's Little Book of Wisdom (1996). </li> </ul> Dr. Forgey contributed to the current edition of the Field Book, 3rd Ed (1984), and the current edition of the Boy Scout Handbook, 12th Ed, 2010, published by the Boy Scouts of America, The Wilderness Educator (1991), a textbook for outdoor educators, and Fishing First Aid (2002), and to <a href="https://amzn.to/2XELrWk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Expedition Medicine</a> (2008) from Cambridge University Press.   Please give us a rating and review <a href="http://bit.ly/2t572XN" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">HERE</a>

Doc Forgey is a Fellow in the New York Explorers Club and wrote the book on Wilderness Medicine [EP 219]