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Guest Deb Nicholson Panelists Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Alyssa Wright | Richard Littauer Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! Today, we are incredibly privileged to have as our guest, Deb Nicholson, who is Interim General Manager and Interim Executive Director at the Open Source Initiative, as well as a founding organizer of the Seattle GNU/Linux Conference (SeaGL). Deb tells us how she founded SeaGL and what she did in legislature before open source.  We learn about a blog post that Elastic wrote, how Deb feels about it, and how OSI is addressing it. Also, we learn how open source is looked at differently by the community and by lawyers, and a talk Deb did about all the different patent clauses in licenses. Find out what Deb is currently doing as the Interim General Manager at OSI and why being kind is so important to her. As well, if you haven’t seen the Seagulls video on YouTube, you have to watch it! Download this episode now to find out more!  [00:02:23] Deb tells us the story of how she founded SeaGL, when the next conference will be, and how many people come to it. [00:05:39] Justin brings up a blog post that Elastic wrote recently and asks Deb what her feelings are about it and wonders how OSI is addressing it. Alyssa wonders if there was any direct conversation with somebody from Elastic. [00:09:20] Deb explains the two groups of people, the community and lawyers, and the differences between what they think open source means. [00:11:20] Eric asks Deb if Elastic deserves all the bad press and negative feelings. Deb also tells us what approach Elastic should have taken. [00:14:22] Alyssa asks Deb to speak more about lawyers sit in the community now and what lawyers and people with legal expertise can do to be a part of open source creation and sustainability. [00:16:40] Deb tells us what she did in legislature before open source. [00:17:40] Alyssa asks Deb how she found clarity around all these licenses, was she ever confused about how to navigate, and if she could help people understand and navigate through them.  She mentions she did a talk about all the different patent clauses in licenses. [00:20:52] Deb explains how she ended up as the Interim General Manager at the OSI and what she’s currently doing there. [00:22:14] Find out why being kind so important to Deb. [00:25:13] Deb talks about the process of the Cryptographic Autonomous License. [00:26:54] Richard wonders Deb’s thoughts on setting best practices for open source in general, not just licensing, in particular other countries. [00:28:25] Find out where you can follow Deb on the Internet. Quotes [00:06:23] “Basically, we didn’t really think our business model through. We decided we were going to do one thing and then whoops, because we didn’t think it through, now we have to change.” [00:23:24] “It also means that when you go out and you talk to people about your mission you sound like a person that hasn’t had a conversation with someone about anything other than your work five years, because you kind of haven’t.” [00:24:35] “There might be other decisions I could affect, but like you end up sounding really out of touch and it’s not good for your organization and for promoting your mission if you never have perspective.” [00:24:44] “Unfortunately, Deb, you’re one of our guests, and this happens occasionally with our guests who are so eloquent that I can’t even imagine a question ‘cause you just wrapped everything up in such a nice bow that it’s like yes, that’s exactly the problem, that’s a really good point, I totally agree, we should all have more time off!” [00:25:05] “Take a vacation! Never forget! Even if it’s a staycation, because, you know, pandemic.” [00:25:36] “So we don’t draft licenses, that’s the thing we don’t do, but we do look at new licenses, and last year we approved the Cryptographic Autonomous License.” Spotlight    [00:29:33] Alyssa’s spotlight is the launch of FundOSS.   [00:30:38] Eric’s spotlight is Exercism.   [00:31:43] Justin’s spotlights are “The Onion seagull beach interview,” and Katacoda-Interactive Learning and Training Platform we are using for Curiefense.   [00:32:33] Richard’s spotlight is WaffleJS.   [00:32:49] Deb’s spotlight is a project called Spritely.   Links  Deb Nicholson Twitter SeaGL.org Opensource.org Elastic- “Doubling Down on Open.” SEAGULLS (Stop it Now) – A Bad Lip Reading of The Empire Strikes Back-YouTube LibrePlanet 2021 Open Source Initiative-The SSPL is Not an Open Source License Social Linux Expo SCaLE19x-March 2022 Mill City Triatholon Podcast-SustainOSS-Episode 62 with Richard Fontana Podcast-SustainOSS -Episode 23 with Josh Simmons Podcast-SustainOSS-Episode 37 with Patrick Masson “Don’t Fear the Patent Clause,” with Deb Nicholson-YouTube Cryptographic Autonomy License-GItHub FundOSS.org Open Collective/Fund OSS Exercism.io The Onion-Seagull beach interview Katacoda Curiefense WaffleJS Spritely Project  Credits  Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Deb Nicholson.Support Sustain

<h4>Guest</h4> <p>Deb Nicholson</p> <h4>Panelists</h4> <p>Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Alyssa Wright | Richard Littauer</p> <h4>Show Notes</h4> <p>Hello and welcome to Sustain! Today, we are incredibly privileged to have as our guest, Deb Nicholson, who is Interim General Manager and Interim Executive Director at the Open Source Initiative, as well as a founding organizer of the Seattle GNU/Linux Conference (SeaGL). Deb tells us how she founded SeaGL and what she did in legislature before open source.  We learn about a blog post that Elastic wrote, how Deb feels about it, and how OSI is addressing it. Also, we learn how open source is looked at differently by the community and by lawyers, and a talk Deb did about all the different patent clauses in licenses. Find out what Deb is currently doing as the Interim General Manager at OSI and why being kind is so important to her. As well, if you haven’t seen the Seagulls video on YouTube, you have to watch it! Download this episode now to find out more! </p> <p>[00:02:23] Deb tells us the story of how she founded SeaGL, when the next conference will be, and how many people come to it.</p> <p>[00:05:39] Justin brings up a blog post that Elastic wrote recently and asks Deb what her feelings are about it and wonders how OSI is addressing it. Alyssa wonders if there was any direct conversation with somebody from Elastic.</p> <p>[00:09:20] Deb explains the two groups of people, the community and lawyers, and the differences between what they think open source means.</p> <p>[00:11:20] Eric asks Deb if Elastic deserves all the bad press and negative feelings. Deb also tells us what approach Elastic should have taken.</p> <p>[00:14:22] Alyssa asks Deb to speak more about lawyers sit in the community now and what lawyers and people with legal expertise can do to be a part of open source creation and sustainability.</p> <p>[00:16:40] Deb tells us what she did in legislature before open source.</p> <p>[00:17:40] Alyssa asks Deb how she found clarity around all these licenses, was she ever confused about how to navigate, and if she could help people understand and navigate through them.  She mentions she did a talk about all the different patent clauses in licenses.</p> <p>[00:20:52] Deb explains how she ended up as the Interim General Manager at the OSI and what she’s currently doing there.</p> <p>[00:22:14] Find out why being kind so important to Deb.</p> <p>[00:25:13] Deb talks about the process of the Cryptographic Autonomous License.</p> <p>[00:26:54] Richard wonders Deb’s thoughts on setting best practices for open source in general, not just licensing, in particular other countries.</p> <p>[00:28:25] Find out where you can follow Deb on the Internet.</p> <h4>Quotes</h4> <p>[00:06:23] “Basically, we didn’t really think our business model through. We decided we were going to do one thing and then whoops, because we didn’t think it through, now we have to change.”</p> <p>[00:23:24] “It also means that when you go out and you talk to people about your mission you sound like a person that hasn’t had a conversation with someone about anything other than your work five years, because you kind of haven’t.”</p> <p>[00:24:35] “There might be other decisions I could affect, but like you end up sounding really out of touch and it’s not good for your organization and for promoting your mission if you never have perspective.”</p> <p>[00:24:44] “Unfortunately, Deb, you’re one of our guests, and this happens occasionally with our guests who are so eloquent that I can’t even imagine a question ‘cause you just wrapped everything up in such a nice bow that it’s like yes, that’s exactly the problem, that’s a really good point, I totally agree, we should all have more time off!”</p> <p>[00:25:05] “Take a vacation! Never forget! Even if it’s a staycation, because, you know, pandemic.”</p> <p>[00:25:36] “So we don’t draft licenses, that’s the thing we don’t do, but we do look at new licenses, and last year we approved the Cryptographic Autonomous License.”</p> <h4>Spotlight</h4> <ul> <li>  [00:29:33] Alyssa’s spotlight is the launch of FundOSS.</li> <li>  [00:30:38] Eric’s spotlight is Exercism.</li> <li>  [00:31:43] Justin’s spotlights are “The Onion seagull beach interview,” and Katacoda-Interactive Learning and Training Platform we are using for Curiefense.</li> <li>  [00:32:33] Richard’s spotlight is WaffleJS.</li> <li>  [00:32:49] Deb’s spotlight is a project called Spritely. </li> </ul> <h4>Links</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://twitter.com/baconandcoconut?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Deb Nicholson Twitter</a></li> <li><a href="https://seagl.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SeaGL.org</a></li> <li><a href="https://opensource.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Opensource.org</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.elastic.co/blog/doubling-down-on-open" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Elastic- “Doubling Down on Open.”</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9t-slLl30E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SEAGULLS (Stop it Now) – A Bad Lip Reading of The Empire Strikes Back-YouTube</a></li> <li><a href="https://libreplanet.org/2021/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LibrePlanet 2021</a></li> <li><a href="https://opensource.org/node/1099" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Open Source Initiative-The SSPL is Not an Open Source License</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/19x" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Social Linux Expo SCaLE19x-March 2022</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.trisignup.com/Race/MA/Lowell/MillCityTriathlon" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mill City Triatholon</a></li> <li><a href="https://podcast.sustainoss.org/62" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Podcast-SustainOSS-Episode 62 with Richard Fontana</a></li> <li><a href="https://podcast.sustainoss.org/23" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Podcast-SustainOSS -Episode 23 with Josh Simmons</a></li> <li><a href="https://podcast.sustainoss.org/37" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Podcast-SustainOSS-Episode 37 with Patrick Masson</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqMdaKE8zkI" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“Don’t Fear the Patent Clause,” with Deb Nicholson-YouTube</a></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/holochain/cryptographic-autonomy-license" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cryptographic Autonomy License-GItHub</a></li> <li><a href="https://fundoss.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FundOSS.org</a></li> <li><a href="https://opencollective.com/fundoss" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Open Collective/Fund OSS</a></li> <li><a href="https://exercism.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Exercism.io</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.theonion.com/seagull-with-diarrhea-barely-makes-it-to-crowded-beach-1819574572" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Onion-Seagull beach interview</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.katacoda.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Katacoda</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.katacoda.com/curiefense" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Curiefense</a></li> <li><a href="https://wafflejs.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WaffleJS</a></li> <li><a href="https://spritelyproject.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spritely Project</a></li> </ul> <h4>Credits</h4> <ul> <li>Produced by <a href="https://www.burntfen.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Richard Littauer</a></li> <li>Edited by Paul M. Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Peachtree Sound</a></li> <li>Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Peachtree Sound</a></li> </ul><p>Special Guest: Deb Nicholson.</p><p><a href="https://opencollective.com/sustain-podcast" rel="payment nofollow" target="_blank">Support Sustain</a></p>

Episode 75: Deb Nicholson on the OSI, the future of open source, and SeaGL

Serge sits down with both Chris and Deb Nicholson to discuss building and maintaining a healthy Free Software community.Show Links:GNU MediagoblinSoftware Freedom ConservancySpinach ConContributor CovenantOpenHatchFirst Timers OnlyOpenBSD Release Songs

<p>Serge sits down with both Chris and Deb Nicholson to discuss building and maintaining a healthy Free Software community.</p><p>Show Links:</p><ul><li><a href="https://mediagoblin.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GNU Mediagoblin</a></li><li><a href="https://sfconservancy.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Software Freedom Conservancy</a></li><li><a href="https://opensource.com/life/16/4/spinachcon" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spinach Con</a></li><li><a href="https://www.contributor-covenant.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Contributor Covenant</a></li><li><a href="https://openhatch.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">OpenHatch</a></li><li><a href="https://www.firsttimersonly.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">First Timers Only</a></li><li><a href="https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">OpenBSD Release Songs</a></li></ul>

Episode 19: Community Development with Deb Nicholson

Karen and Bradley interview Deb Nicholson of Open Invention Network,   GNU MediaGoblin and Open Hatch.Show Notes:Segment 0 (00:36) Karen announced   her pregnancy. (01:50)  Bradley will be at OSCON, Karen might be, and Karen will be at   GUADEC. Bradley will be at LinuxCon North America and LinuxCon   Europe. (03:00) Segment 1 (04:40) Deb Nicholson was previously on the show as Episode 0x25: FOSDEM 2012   Patents Panel. (06:00) Deb mentioned Linux   System Definition, which is the OIN-published list of things that   OIN members license their patents to each other on. (07:12) Deb and Bradley are debating Bradley's comment regarding Deb's   points on the panel on 0x25.  If you go back to listen to 0x25, the   context for the comment they're debating  starts around 38:00 in   0x25. (19:20) It's possible etymology   of the verb “to harp” may indeed come from the musical   instrument, not harpy. (31:00) Karen mentioned The Ada   Initiative. (32:52) Segment 2 (38:54)Bradley and Karen talk about plans for upcoming shows.Send feedback and comments on the castto .You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom   by following Conservancy on    on Twitter and and FaiF on Twitter.  We are working on setting up a group chat again, too!Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch  of danlynch.org.Theme  music written and performed  by Mike Tarantino  with Charlie Paxson on drums.   The content   of this   audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed   under the Creative   Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

<p>Karen and Bradley interview <a href="http://www.eximiousproductions.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Deb Nicholson</a> of <a href="http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Open Invention Network</a>,<br>   <a href="http://mediagoblin.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GNU MediaGoblin</a> and <a href="http://openhatch.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Open Hatch</a>.</p><p></p><h3>Show Notes:</h3><h4>Segment 0 (00:36)</h4><ul> <li>Karen <a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/gnomg/2012/05/26/exciting-personal-news/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">announced<br>   her pregnancy</a>. (01:50) </li> <li>Bradley will be at OSCON, Karen might be, and Karen will be at<br>   GUADEC. Bradley will be at LinuxCon North America and LinuxCon<br>   Europe. (03:00)</li> </ul><h4>Segment 1 (04:40)</h4><ul> <li>Deb Nicholson was previously on the show as <a href="http://faif.us/cast/2012/mar/29/0x25/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Episode 0x25: FOSDEM 2012<br>   Patents Panel</a>. (06:00)</li> <li>Deb mentioned <a href="http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/pat_linuxdef.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Linux<br>   System Definition</a>, which is the OIN-published list of things that<br>   OIN members license their patents to each other on. (07:12)</li> <li>Deb and Bradley are debating Bradley's comment regarding Deb's<br>   points on the panel on 0x25.  If you go back to listen to 0x25, the<br>   context for the comment they're debating  starts around 38:00 in<br>   0x25. (19:20)</li> <li>It's possible <a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=harp&amp;allowed_in_frame=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">etymology<br>   of the verb “to harp”</a> may indeed come from the musical<br>   instrument, not <a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&amp;search=harpy&amp;searchmode=none" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">harpy</a>. (31:00)</li> <li>Karen mentioned <a href="http://adainitiative.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Ada<br>   Initiative</a>. (32:52)</li> </ul><h4>Segment 2 (38:54)</h4><p>Bradley and Karen talk about plans for upcoming shows.</p><p>Send feedback and comments on the cast<br>to <a href="mailto:cast@faif.us"></a>.<br>You can keep in touch with <a href="http://faif.us" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Free as in Freedom</a> <br>  by <a href="https://twitter.com/conservancy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">following Conservancy on<br>    on Twitter</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/faifcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">and FaiF on Twitter</a>.  We are working on setting up a group chat again, too!</p><p>Free as in Freedom is produced by <a href="http://danlynch.org/blog/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dan Lynch</a><br>  of <a href="http://danlynch.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">danlynch.org</a>.<br>Theme<br>  music written and performed<br>  by <a href="http://www.miketarantino.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mike Tarantino</a><br>  with <a href="http://www.charliepaxson.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Charlie Paxson</a> on drums.</p><p><a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/" rel="license nofollow" target="_blank"></a><br>   The content<br>   of this<br>   audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed<br>   under the <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/" rel="license nofollow" target="_blank">Creative<br>   Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0)</a>.<br></p>

0x2B: Deb Nicholson of OIN
