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Palestinians, Israelis, and Ayahuasca - Natalie Ginsberg, Antwan Saca, Leor Roseman

In this episode of the Plant Medicine Podcast, Leor Roseman and Antwan Saca join to discuss their recently published paper: Relational Processes in Ayahuasca Groups of Palestinians and Israelis. Leor is a postdoc at the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London, where he also received his PhD and masters under the supervision of Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris. Leor has diverse research interests related to psychedelics, ranging from the neuroscientific and therapeutic, to the phenomenological and psychosocial. Antwan is a graduate of the Arab American University of Jenin with a BA in public law and has extensive experience working for justice in Palestine. He has served as the director of programs at Holy Land Trust in Bethlehem and as a program coordinator for Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation. Antwan has also worked as a research assistant for urbanization and geopolitical monitoring at the Applied Research Institute—Jerusalem. In this episode, Leor and Antwan discuss the details of the recent paper they co-authored which deals with impacts of ayahuasca on interpersonal peace building in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict. The study consists of 31 in-depth interviews with Israelis and Palestinians who’ve participated in joint ayahuasca ceremonies and looks to investigate the impact of this psychedelic experience along three relational themes: unity-based connection, recognition and difference-based connection, and conflict-related revelations. Through open-ended interviews, Leor and Antwan were able to collect qualitative data from participants which allowed research conclusions to arise organically.  In the interviews, participants disclosed experiences of profound political revelations, connection with the land, and empathy for the other. Leor and Antwan stress that the initial motivations of the participants typically had little to do with notions of political peace-building and instead they were most often participating in these psychedelic ceremonies for reasons related to personal growth, so these outcomes arose naturally as a result of the intense interpersonal connections spurred by the psychedelic experience.  Though these ayahuasca ceremonies had significant positive impacts for both the Israelis and the Palestinian participants, Antwan notes the disparity of access to psychedelic healing for Palestinians and emphasizes that the “love for the other” the Palestinian participants experienced through the ayahuasca ceremonies is complicated due to the pervasive political supression and percarity experienced by Palestinians in their day-to-day lives. The study, however, demonstrates that profound experiences of connection through the use of psychedelic medicines are possible even in the context of a deep and traumatic geopolitical conflict. This opens the door for further study of the potential of psychedelics to facilitate conflict resolution and peace-building.   In this episode:  How Leor and Antwan developed the idea for this study based on their personal backgrounds Different themes which came up in interviews with the Israelis and Palestinians in the study The moving story of a former Israeli military officer and how he experienced the pain of the Palestinian people during an ayahuasca ceremony How music and prayer in the ceremonies helped to encourage empathy and cultural connection among participants    Quotes: “It’s not questionnaires, it’s not about measuring things, it’s about listening to stories and making meaning out of them.” [13:24] “Because the rituals were participatory and music and prayers were shared, a lot of times these opened up for people the strong connection to the other culture or the other people and that was very meaningful for many people.” [21:34] “A lot of us Palestinians end up in the interviews telling you ‘this is all amazing’ and yet there is the reality, yet we live under this kind of suppression.” [29:11] “Not all people that came to the ceremonies came from the peace camp or from left-leaning camps. They come for psycho-spiritual growth, or even for physical illnesses… And they go there regardless of their politics.” [31:37]   Links:  Full Article: Relational Processes in Ayahuasca Groups of Palestinians and Israelis  Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

In this episode of the Plant Medicine Podcast, Leor Roseman and Antwan Saca join to discuss their recently published paper: Relational Processes in Ayahuasca Groups of Palestinians and Israelis. Leor is a postdoc at the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London, where he also received his PhD and masters under the supervision of Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris. Leor has diverse research interests related to psychedelics, ranging from the neuroscientific and therapeutic, to the phenomenological and psychosocial. Antwan is a graduate of the Arab American University of Jenin with a BA in public law and has extensive experience working for justice in Palestine. He has served as the director of programs at Holy Land Trust in Bethlehem and as a program coordinator for Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation. Antwan has also worked as a research assistant for urbanization and geopolitical monitoring at the Applied Research Institute—Jerusalem. In this episode, Leor and Antwan discuss the details of the recent paper they co-authored which deals with impacts of ayahuasca on interpersonal peace building in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict. The study consists of 31 in-depth interviews with Israelis and Palestinians who’ve participated in joint ayahuasca ceremonies and looks to investigate the impact of this psychedelic experience along three relational themes: unity-based connection, recognition and difference-based connection, and conflict-related revelations. Through open-ended interviews, Leor and Antwan were able to collect qualitative data from participants which allowed research conclusions to arise organically.  In the interviews, participants disclosed experiences of profound political revelations, connection with the land, and empathy for the other. Leor and Antwan stress that the initial motivations of the participants typically had little to do with notions of political peace-building and instead they were most often participating in these psychedelic ceremonies for reasons related to personal growth, so these outcomes arose naturally as a result of the intense interpersonal connections spurred by the psychedelic experience.  Though these ayahuasca ceremonies had significant positive impacts for both the Israelis and the Palestinian participants, Antwan notes the disparity of access to psychedelic healing for Palestinians and emphasizes that the “love for the other” the Palestinian participants experienced through the ayahuasca ceremonies is complicated due to the pervasive political supression and percarity experienced by Palestinians in their day-to-day lives. The study, however, demonstrates that profound experiences of connection through the use of psychedelic medicines are possible even in the context of a deep and traumatic geopolitical conflict. This opens the door for further study of the potential of psychedelics to facilitate conflict resolution and peace-building. In this episode: <ul> <li>How Leor and Antwan developed the idea for this study based on their personal backgrounds</li> <li>Different themes which came up in interviews with the Israelis and Palestinians in the study</li> <li>The moving story of a former Israeli military officer and how he experienced the pain of the Palestinian people during an ayahuasca ceremony</li> <li>How music and prayer in the ceremonies helped to encourage empathy and cultural connection among participants</li> </ul> Quotes: “It’s not questionnaires, it’s not about measuring things, it’s about listening to stories and making meaning out of them.” [13:24] “Because the rituals were participatory and music and prayers were shared, a lot of times these opened up for people the strong connection to the other culture or the other people and that was very meaningful for many people.” [21:34] “A lot of us Palestinians end up in the interviews telling you ‘this is all amazing’ and yet there is the reality, yet we live under this kind of suppression.” [29:11] “Not all people that came to the ceremonies came from the peace camp or from left-leaning camps. They come for psycho-spiritual growth, or even for physical illnesses… And they go there regardless of their politics.” [31:37] Links: <a href="https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.607529/full" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Full Article: Relational Processes in Ayahuasca Groups of Palestinians and Israelis</a> <a href="https://psychedelicmedicineassociation.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Psychedelic Medicine Association</a> <a href="https://www.porangui.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Porangui</a>

Can Ayahuasca Help Promote Palestinian-Israeli Reconciliation? With Dr. Leor Roseman & Antwan Saca

Antwan Saca and Leor Roseman are two of the authors of the research paper  Relational Processes in Ayahuasca Groups of Palestinians and Israelis. They are on the show to talk about that research and the complexities of conflict and conflict-resolution it explores. For links to our guest's work, full show notes, and to watch this episode in video, head to https://bit.ly/ATTMind144Full Topics Breakdown Below     SUPPORT THIS PODCAST   ► Patreon: https://patreon.com/jameswjesso ► Donations: https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS ► Merchandise: https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/ ► More options: https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/   ► Newsletter: https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter Extra BIG thanks to my patrons on Patreon for helping keep this podcast alive! Especially, Andreas D, Clea S, Joe A, Ian C, David WB, Yvette FC, Ann-Madeleine, Dima B, Eliz C, Chuck W, Nathan B, &amp; Nick M     Episode Breakdown   Introducing the complexity of this topic Why Leor and Antwan were called to doing this research The dynamics in joint-space ayahuasca ceremonies with Israelis and Palestinians Facing the elephant in the room The role of cultural identities in the perpetuation of conflict The power dynamic on the west bank is more than just a cultural narrative The limitations of apolitical, individualistic "inner spirituality" narratives The vital importance of anger in facing injustice The challenge of integrating ayahuasca ceremonies (and conflict-resolution experiences) in the West Bank Communitas: can it change an unjust political reality or does it keep that reality as it is through evading it? Learning new ways of engaging the challenge of an unjust political reality that help encourage actual change The danger of these ayahuasca ceremonies and conflict-resolution in the West Bank. Drug stigma and the emergence of ayahuasca in Middle Eastern countries Movements towards using local plants in Middle Eastern Ayahuasca brews The different kinds of experiences reported Unity-based connection (and criticism of the “individual spirituality" of perennial philosophy) Recognition and difference-based connection Conflict-related revelation Awe and Silence Paraverbal qualities of language Delivery of conflict-related revelation and the need to ‘share the message’ Journalism and the complexity of reporting on ayahuasca ceremonies and conflict resolution in the West Bank ***** SUPPORT THIS PODCAST   ► Patreon: https://patreon.com/jameswjesso ► Donations: https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS ► Merchandise: https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/ ► More options: https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/   ► Newsletter: https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter   ► Or, you can buy a copy of one of my books!   Decomposing The Shadow: https://www.jameswjesso.com/decomposing-the-shadow/   The True Light Of Darkness: https://www.jameswjesso.com/true-light-darkness/  

Antwan Saca and Leor Roseman are two of the authors of the research paper <a href="https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.607529/full" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Relational Processes in Ayahuasca Groups of Palestinians and Israelis.</a> They are on the show to talk about that research and the complexities of conflict and conflict-resolution it explores. For links to our guest's work, full show notes, and to watch this episode in video, head to <a href="https://bit.ly/ATTMind137" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/ATTMind144</a>Full Topics Breakdown Below     SUPPORT THIS PODCAST   ► Patreon: <a href="https://patreon.com/jameswjesso" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://patreon.com/jameswjesso</a> ► Donations: <a href="https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS</a> ► Merchandise: <a href="https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/</a> ► More options: <a href="https://www.jameswjesso.com/support" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.jameswjesso.com/support</a>/   ► Newsletter: <a href="https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter</a> Extra BIG thanks to my patrons on Patreon for helping keep this podcast alive! Especially, Andreas D, Clea S, Joe A, Ian C, David WB, Yvette FC, Ann-Madeleine, Dima B, Eliz C, Chuck W, Nathan B, &amp; Nick M     Episode Breakdown <ul> <li>Introducing the complexity of this topic</li> <li>Why Leor and Antwan were called to doing this research</li> <li>The dynamics in joint-space ayahuasca ceremonies with Israelis and Palestinians</li> <li>Facing the elephant in the room</li> <li>The role of cultural identities in the perpetuation of conflict</li> <li>The power dynamic on the west bank is more than just a cultural narrative</li> <li>The limitations of apolitical, individualistic "inner spirituality" narratives</li> <li>The vital importance of anger in facing injustice</li> <li>The challenge of integrating ayahuasca ceremonies (and conflict-resolution experiences) in the West Bank</li> <li>Communitas: can it change an unjust political reality or does it keep that reality as it is through evading it?</li> <li>Learning new ways of engaging the challenge of an unjust political reality that help encourage actual change</li> <li>The danger of these ayahuasca ceremonies and conflict-resolution in the West Bank.</li> <li>Drug stigma and the emergence of ayahuasca in Middle Eastern countries</li> <li>Movements towards using local plants in Middle Eastern Ayahuasca brews</li> <li>The different kinds of experiences reported</li> <li>Unity-based connection (and criticism of the “individual spirituality" of perennial philosophy)</li> <li>Recognition and difference-based connection</li> <li>Conflict-related revelation</li> <li>Awe and Silence</li> <li>Paraverbal qualities of language</li> <li>Delivery of conflict-related revelation and the need to ‘share the message’</li> <li>Journalism and the complexity of reporting on ayahuasca ceremonies and conflict resolution in the West Bank</li> </ul>***** SUPPORT THIS PODCAST   ► Patreon: <a href="https://patreon.com/jameswjesso" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://patreon.com/jameswjesso</a> ► Donations: <a href="https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS</a> ► Merchandise: <a href="https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/</a> ► More options: <a href="https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/</a>   ► Newsletter: <a href="https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter</a>   ► Or, you can buy a copy of one of my books! <ul> <li> Decomposing The Shadow: <a href="https://www.jameswjesso.com/decomposing-the-shadow/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.jameswjesso.com/decomposing-the-shadow/</a> </li> <li> The True Light Of Darkness: <a href="https://www.jameswjesso.com/true-light-darkness/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.jameswjesso.com/true-light-darkness/</a> </li> </ul>

Ayahuasca Ceremonies and Conflict-Resolution in The West Bank | Leor Roseman and Antwan Saca ~ ATTMind 144