Bret Victor's guest appearances

Bret Victor

Catalyst Podcast

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Future of Coding

Elon Musk

Marc Andreessen

Michael Bierut

Erin McKean

Andrew Smith

Teresa Torres

Khoi Vinh

Lara Hogan

Eric Meyer

Jeffrey Zeldman

Mike Davidson

Karen McGrane

Jerome Hardaway

Amir Salihefendic

Cathy O'Neil

OwlTail

## 内容简介：这一期聊聊我对于 Bret Victor 理想的看法，他的理想是：改造我们的低幼化社会。为人们提供工具，用以抵抗和摧毁消费主义文化（全方位的品牌包装与广告对人的情感操弄，物质主义，生造的时尚潮流），以及大企业对工作、娱乐和创造力的寡头控制。将权力、尊严和责任感还给个人。沟通反馈：Zoe.gongzy@gmail.com## 关于我：个人网站：infoier.com知乎：https://www.zhihu.com/people/gong-zi-yi-2/activities

## 内容简介： 这一期聊聊我对于 Bret Victor 理想的看法，他的理想是：改造我们的低幼化社会。为人们提供工具，用以抵抗和摧毁消费主义文化（全方位的品牌包装与广告对人的情感操弄，物质主义，生造的时尚潮流），以及大企业对工作、娱乐和创造力的寡头控制。将权力、尊严和责任感还给个人。 沟通反馈： Zoe.gongzy@gmail.com ## 关于我： 个人网站：<a href="http://infoier.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">infoier.com</a> 知乎：<a href="https://www.zhihu.com/people/gong-zi-yi-2/activities" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.zhihu.com/people/gong-zi-yi-2/activities</a>

#17：Bret Victor 的理想

Can electrical engineers create tangible objects? Do we really need to be writing lines of code in a text-editor to be programming? Is it time for society to redefine what it means to compute? This week, Paul and Rich sit down with Bret Victor to discuss his journey from Electrical Engineer at Caltech, to UI Designer at Apple, to Creator of his ultimate vision, Dynamicland. The building is a computer; the computer is a building: This week Paul Ford and Rich Ziade sit down with Bret Victor to talk to about Dynamicland — a non-profit that’s inventing a new computational medium, where people work together with real objects in the real world (not alone with virtual objects on screens). We chat about the tech behind Dynamicland, the importance of creating intentional communities, and how a culture of secrecy at Apple inspired a life-long vision of community computing. Bret also shares a surefire way to impress a date — bring them to GuitarCenter and show them your analog modeling synth! 3:58 — Rich: “The bureaucracy got obliterated; all the machinery that usually slows you down was gone. The parents weren’t home!” 13:14 — Bret: “I came in the first day, went ot my desk and there was an iPad sitting on my desk. This was 2007. The iPhone just had been released. The iPad was not a thing at all… and I said ‘what is this?’ and my boss said ‘well we don’t know, Steve wants a tablet’.” 16:03 — Bret: “I was starting to see that my values and Apple’s values were a bit at odds. Apple ultimately wants to enable people to listen to their music, and read their email, and watch videos, and have an entertaining digital experience. I wanted to enable people to understand things more deeply or create amazing things that they couldn’t create before.” 22:08 — Bret: “It’s hard to have the level of motivation to pull off something really huge like that, if you don’t have the right support structures in place.” 22:08 — Bret: “We want to create a medium that works for all people. So growing our community, we’ve been pretty deliberate about reaching out to people who aren’t on Twitter and who aren’t traditionally advantaged by technology.” LINKS  Bret Victor Bret Victor on Twitter Dynamicland Donate to Dynamicland Dynamicland on Twitter Alesis Ion Alesis Micron   The Inmates Are Running the Asylum: Why High Tech Products Drive Us Crazy and How to Restore the Sanity by Alan Cooper Edward Tufte William Cleveland  Magic Ink : Information Software and the Graphical Interface by Bret Victor  Joystick Example at Dynamicland with Paula Te David Hellman  Track Changes is the weekly technology and culture podcast from Postlight, hosted by Paul Ford and Rich Ziade. Production, show notes and transcripts by EDITAUDIO. Podcast logo and design by Will Denton of Postlight.

Can electrical engineers create tangible objects? Do we really need to be writing lines of code in a text-editor to be programming? Is it time for society to redefine what it means to compute? This week, Paul and Rich sit down with Bret Victor to discuss his journey from Electrical Engineer at Caltech, to UI Designer at Apple, to Creator of his ultimate vision, Dynamicland. The building is a computer; the computer is a building: This week <a href="https://medium.com/u/168dab556633" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Paul Ford</a> and <a href="https://medium.com/u/829d19bc636a" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Rich Ziade</a> sit down with Bret Victor to talk to about Dynamicland — a non-profit that’s inventing a new computational medium, where people work together with real objects in the real world (not alone with virtual objects on screens). We chat about the tech behind Dynamicland, the importance of creating intentional communities, and how a culture of secrecy at Apple inspired a life-long vision of community computing. Bret also shares a surefire way to impress a date — bring them to GuitarCenter and show them your analog modeling synth! 3:58 — Rich: “The bureaucracy got obliterated; all the machinery that usually slows you down was gone. The parents weren’t home!” 13:14 — Bret: “I came in the first day, went ot my desk and there was an iPad sitting on my desk. This was 2007. The iPhone just had been released. The iPad was not a thing at all… and I said ‘what is this?’ and my boss said ‘well we don’t know, Steve wants a tablet’.” 16:03 — Bret: “I was starting to see that my values and Apple’s values were a bit at odds. Apple ultimately wants to enable people to listen to their music, and read their email, and watch videos, and have an entertaining digital experience. I wanted to enable people to understand things more deeply or create amazing things that they couldn’t create before.” 22:08 — Bret: “It’s hard to have the level of motivation to pull off something really huge like that, if you don’t have the right support structures in place.” 22:08 — Bret: “We want to create a medium that works for all people. So growing our community, we’ve been pretty deliberate about reaching out to people who aren’t on Twitter and who aren’t traditionally advantaged by technology.” LINKS <ul> <li><a href="http://worrydream.com" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Bret Victor</a></li> <li><a href="https://twitter.com/worrydream?lang=en" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Bret Victor on Twitter</a></li> <li><a href="https://dynamicland.org/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Dynamicland</a></li> <li><a href="https://dynamicland.org/#donate" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Donate to Dynamicland</a></li> <li><a href="https://twitter.com/dynamicland1" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Dynamicland on Twitter</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alesis_Ion" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Alesis Ion</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/micron.php" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Alesis Micron</a> </li> <li><a href="https://books.google.ca/books/about/Why_High_tech_Products_Drive_Us_Crazy_an.html?id=04cFCVXC_AUC&amp;redir_esc=y" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"> The Inmates Are Running the Asylum: Why High Tech Products Drive Us Crazy and How to Restore the Sanity</a> by Alan Cooper</li> <li><a href="https://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Edward Tufte</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Cleveland" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">William Cleveland </a></li> <li><a href="http://worrydream.com/MagicInk/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Magic Ink : Information Software and the Graphical Interface</a> by Bret Victor </li> <li><a href="https://twitter.com/mandy3284/status/969286428126408704" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Joystick Example</a> at Dynamicland with <a href="http://www.itshunkydory.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Paula Te</a></li> <li><a href="https://twitter.com/davidhellman" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">David Hellman</a></li> </ul> Track Changes is the weekly technology and culture podcast from Postlight, hosted by <a href="https://medium.com/u/168dab556633" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Paul Ford</a> and <a href="https://medium.com/u/829d19bc636a" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Rich Ziade</a>. Production, show notes and transcripts by <a href="https://medium.com/u/16db3d2b704" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">EDITAUDIO</a>. Podcast logo and design by <a href="https://medium.com/u/95c4ef348109" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Will Denton</a> of Postlight.

Computing is Everywhere : A Conversation with Bret Victor